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  • Hadez
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    Originally posted by JvDub95 View Post
    If Bonitto and Dulcich both become starters and Washington gets our return game back on track this would be another home run draft with all things considered.

    A lot of guys didn't appreciate or understand the Washington pick but it made perfect sense to me. Our return game has been pedestrian at best for a LONG time and by all accounts he looks like a true return "specialist". Could they have drafted him in later rounds? We'll never know, we don't know who else was looking at him.

    The fact that Paton was able to add a 3rd rounder to next year's draft was huge, imo. I think has done a remarkable job since he's been here and he can absolutely stay and "do more positive damage"
    It would be cool to have an advantage in the return game.

    I do expect the offense to be much improved this year so I hope first and foremost he can return the ball without fumbling.

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  • JvDub95
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    If Bonitto and Dulcich both become starters and Washington gets our return game back on track this would be another home run draft with all things considered.

    A lot of guys didn't appreciate or understand the Washington pick but it made perfect sense to me. Our return game has been pedestrian at best for a LONG time and by all accounts he looks like a true return "specialist". Could they have drafted him in later rounds? We'll never know, we don't know who else was looking at him.

    The fact that Paton was able to add a 3rd rounder to next year's draft was huge, imo. I think has done a remarkable job since he's been here and he can absolutely stay and "do more positive damage"

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  • Rich_C
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    Originally posted by 58Miller View Post
    On Browning I agree. We have Chubb, Gregory, Cooper, Bonito, Reed and Rookie Christopher Allen. At ILB Browning is our most athletic guy and we are moving him to a spot where he is 5th at best. Evero hopefully knows what he's doing.
    I could not agree more. In addition to that we cut Mintze who made the 53 last season and he looked promising in PS too. So not only have we likely moved one of, if not our best ILB to EDGE but we also cut another guy who could have competed at the EDGE spot for us.

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  • Hadez
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    Originally posted by samparnell View Post

    There is plenty of competition within each O-Line from learning the plays and blocking rules to the Sumo Circle and the weight room. On the practice field the only way to earn one's way into the starting five is by proving oneself against one's O-Line teammates. Each one is trying to forge to the front of the line.

    O-Line coaches love to shuffle their guys not only to see how many spots they can play, but to see where they play best and next to whom. Sometimes a guy is OK at one spot, but comes alive when moved to another.

    They spend a lot of time identifying who the best five guys are by shuffling them around. O-Linemen learn from as early as their high school days that if one of the five can't go, number six comes in and a reshuffle will take place, if necessary. Sometimes the depth chart is altered.
    I was going off the post that replied to me.

    I agree there is a lot of competition going on. I like it when teams are making people compete. Yea Russ's job is safe but I do not think it is a stretch to say very few starting spots and roster spots are that level of safe on a team. Besides I think roster competition builds for better game day competition.

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  • 58Miller
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    Originally posted by Rich_C View Post

    So the draft is now done an dusted and I have to say I am concerned. Here's why:

    1. We had a great ILB in Browning last year who looked to be ascending at his position. Rather than have him focus on improving there we are attempting to convert him to EDGE. (Not a Fan). Behind Browning we have decent depth but not a treasure chest of starters

    2. RT: I like our RT he did well for us when he was here before BUT he is getting older and was hurt last season. We've already seen and had on this team injury prone players.

    3. Center: OH boy is this an issue for me. First Chush IMO is not a great fit for what Hackett likes to run. Second, Cush didn't look good last year or the year before. We had opportunities to do things in this draft and we could have locked down that spot.


    things I liked:

    1. the DT/NT we drafted Eyioma Uwazurike- love that pick.
    2. So long as Washington can be developed I think we have be a great value pickup for us
    3. UDFA - Chris Allen is a legit OLB. I am excited to see what he can do.


    Major holes for me still exist: ILB, RT & Center.
    On Browning I agree. We have Chubb, Gregory, Cooper, Bonito, Reed and Rookie Christopher Allen. At ILB Browning is our most athletic guy and we are moving him to a spot where he is 5th at best. Evero hopefully knows what he's doing.

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  • samparnell
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    Originally posted by Hadez View Post

    I have many ways to approach this.

    pretty sure KC went into 2021 with many OL question marks and ended up in AFC Chanp Game. Cincy had OL question marks and ended up in Super Bowl. Maybe lost the SB because of those question marks.

    Even if we assume good teams do not have these competitions I think we are forgetting the Broncos have not made the playoffs in a record number of years for a team that won the Super Bowl. At this point we are just assuming we will be good.
    There is plenty of competition within each O-Line from learning the plays and blocking rules to the Sumo Circle and the weight room. On the practice field the only way to earn one's way into the starting five is by proving oneself against one's O-Line teammates. Each one is trying to forge to the front of the line.

    O-Line coaches love to shuffle their guys not only to see how many spots they can play, but to see where they play best and next to whom. Sometimes a guy is OK at one spot, but comes alive when moved to another.

    They spend a lot of time identifying who the best five guys are by shuffling them around. O-Linemen learn from as early as their high school days that if one of the five can't go, number six comes in and a reshuffle will take place, if necessary. Sometimes the depth chart is altered.

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  • Hadez
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    Originally posted by Rich_C View Post

    Typically speaking the very good teams do NOT have competitions at key positions. They often have those spots all locked up. (Center & RT). Especially when we went out and got RW who is not as young nor as mobile as he once was. Glasgow is a tall dude. I am part of the MHRT Network on YT and we had Glasgow on and he is a tall and big dude. Looking at some of the shorter QBs and their centers - Arizona 6ft2 315 LBS, Cleveland 6ft1 293 lbs) - Graham is 6ft6 and 310 lbs. That is a 4-5 inch height difference. What I will say though is that one of Graham's best seasons was with the Lions playing the Center position.

    Lastly I am 100% with you on the Browning position switch....especially since we kept Mintze on the 53 last year.
    I have many ways to approach this.

    pretty sure KC went into 2021 with many OL question marks and ended up in AFC Chanp Game. Cincy had OL question marks and ended up in Super Bowl. Maybe lost the SB because of those question marks.

    Even if we assume good teams do not have these competitions I think we are forgetting the Broncos have not made the playoffs in a record number of years for a team that won the Super Bowl. At this point we are just assuming we will be good.

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  • Rich_C
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    Originally posted by Hadez View Post

    Glasgow Cush and the rook will battle for C.

    We got a few RT who are going to battle out. Very likely have the best RT we have had in years. Low bar I know. Wish we could have drafted a young RT to groom but that did not happen.

    I like Browning at ILB. I am bummed he is moving to edge. Not sure how our ILB will look.
    Typically speaking the very good teams do NOT have competitions at key positions. They often have those spots all locked up. (Center & RT). Especially when we went out and got RW who is not as young nor as mobile as he once was. Glasgow is a tall dude. I am part of the MHRT Network on YT and we had Glasgow on and he is a tall and big dude. Looking at some of the shorter QBs and their centers - Arizona 6ft2 315 LBS, Cleveland 6ft1 293 lbs) - Graham is 6ft6 and 310 lbs. That is a 4-5 inch height difference. What I will say though is that one of Graham's best seasons was with the Lions playing the Center position.

    Lastly I am 100% with you on the Browning position switch....especially since we kept Mintze on the 53 last year.

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  • Rich_C
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    Originally posted by CanDB View Post

    I am not as concerned but I was hoping for an OT and ILB. But, I know the front office loved Bonitto and Dulcich, and those were two early picks in positions needing resourcing as well. I think that when you get solid BPA type opportunities in positions of need, you make your move.
    We had just signed Eric Saubert so I personally did not see TE as a huge need. The other things which just drives me batty here is the fact that we saw Browning really start to play well at the back-end of the year. Why switch him to EDGE live the team is claiming. Furthermore why go into the season with such weak ILB players? Again I am simply approaching with caution here but Jewell was hurt last season. We do need to consider that this may be the start of a trend OR that he is not the same as he was last season. To his credit last season he looked much improved.

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  • Hadez
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    Originally posted by Rich_C View Post

    So the draft is now done an dusted and I have to say I am concerned. Here's why:

    1. We had a great ILB in Browning last year who looked to be ascending at his position. Rather than have him focus on improving there we are attempting to convert him to EDGE. (Not a Fan). Behind Browning we have decent depth but not a treasure chest of starters

    2. RT: I like our RT he did well for us when he was here before BUT he is getting older and was hurt last season. We've already seen and had on this team injury prone players.

    3. Center: OH boy is this an issue for me. First Chush IMO is not a great fit for what Hackett likes to run. Second, Cush didn't look good last year or the year before. We had opportunities to do things in this draft and we could have locked down that spot.


    things I liked:

    1. the DT/NT we drafted Eyioma Uwazurike- love that pick.
    2. So long as Washington can be developed I think we have be a great value pickup for us
    3. UDFA - Chris Allen is a legit OLB. I am excited to see what he can do.


    Major holes for me still exist: ILB, RT & Center.
    Glasgow Cush and the rook will battle for C.

    We got a few RT who are going to battle out. Very likely have the best RT we have had in years. Low bar I know. Wish we could have drafted a young RT to groom but that did not happen.

    I like Browning at ILB. I am bummed he is moving to edge. Not sure how our ILB will look.

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  • CanDB
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    Originally posted by Rich_C View Post

    So the draft is now done an dusted and I have to say I am concerned. Here's why:

    1. We had a great ILB in Browning last year who looked to be ascending at his position. Rather than have him focus on improving there we are attempting to convert him to EDGE. (Not a Fan). Behind Browning we have decent depth but not a treasure chest of starters

    2. RT: I like our RT he did well for us when he was here before BUT he is getting older and was hurt last season. We've already seen and had on this team injury prone players.

    3. Center: OH boy is this an issue for me. First Chush IMO is not a great fit for what Hackett likes to run. Second, Cush didn't look good last year or the year before. We had opportunities to do things in this draft and we could have locked down that spot.


    things I liked:

    1. the DT/NT we drafted Eyioma Uwazurike- love that pick.
    2. So long as Washington can be developed I think we have be a great value pickup for us
    3. UDFA - Chris Allen is a legit OLB. I am excited to see what he can do.


    Major holes for me still exist: ILB, RT & Center.
    I am not as concerned but I was hoping for an OT and ILB. But, I know the front office loved Bonitto and Dulcich, and those were two early picks in positions needing resourcing as well. I think that when you get solid BPA type opportunities in positions of need, you make your move.

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  • Rich_C
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    Originally posted by CanDB View Post

    I like the bolded part. This is why I hope we are going to the draft feeling pretty confident about our roster, and having the opportunity to make a bit of a splash by moving up for a stud we covet in a position of need. It's good to have depth and so forth, but sometimes you have to make a big move to secure a long term star. So hopefully by the draft we have very few needs, in the eyes of Paton and his roster group, because that allows us to make a real impact move, while leaving enough selections to cover the depth aspect of this team.
    So the draft is now done an dusted and I have to say I am concerned. Here's why:

    1. We had a great ILB in Browning last year who looked to be ascending at his position. Rather than have him focus on improving there we are attempting to convert him to EDGE. (Not a Fan). Behind Browning we have decent depth but not a treasure chest of starters

    2. RT: I like our RT he did well for us when he was here before BUT he is getting older and was hurt last season. We've already seen and had on this team injury prone players.

    3. Center: OH boy is this an issue for me. First Chush IMO is not a great fit for what Hackett likes to run. Second, Cush didn't look good last year or the year before. We had opportunities to do things in this draft and we could have locked down that spot.


    things I liked:

    1. the DT/NT we drafted Eyioma Uwazurike- love that pick.
    2. So long as Washington can be developed I think we have be a great value pickup for us
    3. UDFA - Chris Allen is a legit OLB. I am excited to see what he can do.


    Major holes for me still exist: ILB, RT & Center.

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  • Hadez
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    To me Paton has been better than I could have hoped. 2021 draft looks good. I know people did not like some of the WR contract extensions but they going to look great with Wilson.

    Wilson has always been the QB I wanted since I herd rumors last off season.

    We will see how the 2022 draft and coaching staff works out but lots of good moves so far

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  • CanDB
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    Did I mention lately how impressed I am with Paton?

    Well I am.

    He nailed his first draft, made a smart trade with LA Rams, kept searching for a quality QB, and managed to pull it off by acquiring Russ Wilson.....and followed that with a really solid FA/Draft, setting us up for a good year. I mentioned elsewhere how the Broncos' draft room watched Russ highlights while awaiting Seattle's first pick, which is funny! But I love the comments made during the draft by Paton, about how excited he was that Bonitto and Dulcich were there for us, even though he thought we'd have to move up to get them.

    This guy's got calm and control, and he seems to be loving the journey!!

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  • Pruke
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    I only threw that question out there to hear some intelligent thoughts - thanks gents

    i tend to agree that LB was more important when running was more important- now we are getting into hybrid warrior fare where coaches want safeties who can play like a traditional LB and LB who can play like a DB in TE at a minimum

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