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**Elway** · 07-01-2003, 08:13 PM

I don't care if he is black, white or red, as long as he can win. He did ok with Martay Jenkins and David Boston in Arizona, but he has the complete package in Denver. It's time for that boy to earn his paycheck.

**KMA** · 07-02-2003, 09:49 AM

Only time will tell... The big knock on him as we all know is the interception total in his years in AZ. He now has a legitimate fleet of receivers with skill and knowledge that can find ways to help him lower that interception total in Denver. As well as he has at least 3 more than capable running backs to take pressure off of the passing game that can only help him get used to making decisions more effectively and creat less turnovers. I am excited at the prospect fo Plummer in the lineup. I think Greise was in a no win situation and he didn't help his own cause on top of that. Good Luck to Brian and better luck to Jake!!!

**nickmeyer** · 07-02-2003, 10:08 AM

Who cares if he is white the guy can play

**Ken Christie** · 07-02-2003, 10:11 AM

Black and white are irrelevant. Plummer's Orange & Blue now!

**Elway** · 07-02-2003, 10:13 AM

Those are the only colors that matter. Jake doesn't have to Live up to Elway, all he has to de is be a better QB than he was in AZ, and be better than Griese. Hopefully we are the right fit for him. If not Shanny planned well in have a two year clause on him.

**NEBroncosFan** · 07-02-2003, 02:18 PM

This issue is not that he is white, black, green or whatever....

That was just mentioned due to the fact that most caucasian (to be politically correct) quarterbacks aside from maybe Favre or Young are pocket "throw off the back foot"players. Denver's offensive scheme under Shannahan has always been more productive and elusive when the QB has the threat to scramble...

I remember when all the sports commentators back in the Reeve's era were saying that Elway needs to stay in the pocket more. Plummer's style and arm strength reminds me alot of the GREAT NUMBER #7. He is a scrambler when he has to be and he is not that fast just smart when out of the pocket. Griese could not do that. Young and Favre would out run guys flat out.

Now that this is cleared up here's some food for thought.

Imagine if the QB picked up this year was either some guy named Vick or McNabb.....

Neither one of them reminds me of Elway and that is the point.

**Elway** · 07-02-2003, 02:22 PM

Young was a great scambler, Favre a great improviser... he'll flip the ball with his wrong hand and still make a completion. Snake has the ability to get out of tight places. but how many of those tight places and comebacks were results of him playing poor the first three quaters of the game. I am delighted as anyone and optomistic that he will be a marked improvement, but still leery of the number of bad plays he can still make after his time in the league.

**NEBroncosFan** · 07-02-2003, 04:33 PM

I'll agree there have been times Plummer could have made better decisions.....Every QB makes a bad one from time to time. But in Arizona, the offensive line was never strong or fast, alot of times the plays were broken right at the snap. Denver, as we all know has focused on the offensive line's ability to create and support either open running lanes or time to throw...
I'm one of those that does not think Plummer's stats really illustrated what he can do. We really only got a good glimpse his rookie year when Arizona made it to the playoffs and they had this thing called a defense to help win games. I remember when Plummer won the QB challenge on Pro Bowl weekend some time ago. He was awsome in accuracy. His bullets in that contest where he hit the cardboard receivers (I think it was called read and react) made me think this guy is going to go places. However, his team fell apart and all the burden went on the shoulders of the offense (mainly him). I'm sure that being in the scene in which every player that got out of AZ did nothing but express dissatisfaction and "point the finger type blame" when they were out must have made the locker room quite a happy place to be in Arizona.

LET'S ALL WELCOME "THE SNAKE" WITH A CLEAN SLATE AND NOTHING BUT OPTIMISTIC SUPPORT....

If he can't help pull Denver out of this habit of losing the games they are SUPPOSED to win (Baltimore, Oakland, etc.) within a reasonable timeframe, than I'll change my vote and be a big voice in running him out of town. But I think that Coach Shannahan is on the same page as me with the two year option.
Everyone knows Denver is a contender every year unlike Arizona, and if the leader of the team does not take that seriously and put all of his on and OFF-FIELD effort into it (Like Griese did)....Than he's gotta go.

It was a shame Bubby Brister did not have more consistent talent, because we all remember how much he meant to this team when John needed time to heal in his final season.

Bubby had the heart of a true Bronco in my book.

**Ken Christie** · 07-03-2003, 09:44 AM

[QUOTE]Originally posted by NEBroncosFan
[B]
Imagine if the QB picked up this year was either some guy named Vick or McNabb.....

Sorry, but I am not completely sold on Vick.
Does he have great athletic ability? Absolutely.
Can he throw the ball? Absolutely.
Does he have "Happy-feet"? - YES!

He needs to learn that scrambling's main purpose is not to tuck the ball & run. That's how to get hurt. He has to learn to use his scrambling ability to buy time for his receivers (Brett Favre was the same way early in his career). Until he takes the sandlot mentality of running for first down markers every time there's a defender nearby, he will never take his team all the way.

**towels** · 07-07-2003, 09:21 AM

Originally posted by NEBroncosFan
It was a shame Bubby Brister did not have more consistent talent, because we all remember how much he meant to this team when John needed time to heal in his final season.

Bubby had the heart of a true Bronco in my book.

Actually, it always seemed to me that Bubby's heart was what lost him the starting job. Denver stunk up a preseason game and I think Mike let Bubby have another start to see if he'd let the team perform at that level or demand an improvement. When the team didn't do any better, he lost the job.
As I recall he seemed kind of miffed because he thought preseason games didn't matter or some such. I think Mike was looking for a QB who would want to win every time he stepped on the field.

**NEBroncosFan** · 07-08-2003, 01:40 PM

Preseason (EXHIBITION-look up the meaning of the word) DOES NOT MATTER!!!!

Anyone that thinks it does needs to have their head examined.

Boy last year Washington really looked awesome in Exhibition!!

How did they do, I think I missed their playoff games. (LOL)

Most players look at it as a type of scrimmage to break the humdrum of camp and a TASTE of gametime and give guys that may not make the final roster a chance. The starters main focus is to not get hurt.

Coaches look at it as a chance to see how new or underused plays or players will work.

The Media hypes exhibition games up for viewers and some Fans look at it as the real thing. Don't get me wrong, I love watching Football (just like the rest of you). But I think that since from February to August we are all waiting with anticipation for the next season to begin, we get wrapped up in the Hype of EXHIBITION GAMES and try to determine how teams will be when the SEASON begins.

To judge a player on exhibition performance is ridiculous. Besides if you spank a team in exhibition, does it effect things when that same team is facing you in November? NO

So to judge Brister's heart on Exhibition ain't right. All I'm saying is that he was a big part in keeping the flow of the team going in the race that lead to their second consecutive SuperBowl Victory.

**nbk247** · 07-08-2003, 02:47 PM

Personally, the only part of an exhibition game I actually enjoy watching is the 4th and most of the 3rd quarter when the backups are in. These games don't mean squat to me, but it does mean alot to those players that are out there going 110% just to make sure they make the team and not the final cut. And thats pretty much the only time you see football played in an exhibition game :p. I mean, hell, Ola Kimrin kicked a 65 yard field goal last preseason for us....but still lost his job lol.

**Aardwolf** · 07-08-2003, 04:52 PM

Re: Jake the Snake now at Mile High

Originally posted by NEBroncosFan
Elway was the only one from "the class of '83" to win Back to Back rings.

Not true!

What about Roger Craig, Jesse Sapolu, Jamie Williams, Tom Holmoe and Mike Walter? All five "Class of '83" and all five members of the '88 and '89 49er SB Champs.

What about Jim Jeffcoat? He was "Class of '83" and also a member of the '92 and '93 Cowboys SB Champs.

All six are not only members of the "Class of '83" that won "Back to Back rings", all six did it BEFORE Elway.

**towels** · 07-08-2003, 05:58 PM

Sorry. If I'm looking for a leader for my team, I want someone who is going to give 100% every time he steps on the field. What if Portis gets hurt in a preseason game because the o-line wasn't giving a full effort? Would that be okay with you because it was just an exibition game?
John Elway's greatest trait wasn't his legs or his arms. It was his desire to win. It didn't even matter if it was football, or golf, or ping pong...he wanted to win. That's why he's the NFL's all time leader in wins. That kind of never say die passion is what the Broncos need, and should expect regardless of what month it is.

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