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  • Originally posted by Fantaztic7 View Post
    Since Wilson’s last Super Bowl appearance in a loss to the Patriots:

    2021 Losing season

    2020 Lost Wild Card Round against Los Angeles Rams (20-30)

    2019 Lost Divisional Round against the Green Bay Packers (23-28)

    2018 Knocked out in the Wild Card Round by Dallas Cowboys (22-24)

    2016 Lost Divisional Round to Atlanta Falcons (20-36)

    2015 Lost Divisional Round against Carolina Panthers (24-31)

    When trading two first round picks, two second round picks, a fifth round pick, Fant (1st round pick), Lock and Harris - I would expect nothing less than Super Bowl appearances.

    Russell Wilson’s trend has been losing playoff games and most recently a losing season.

    Perhaps a fresh start will produce better results.
    You didn't mention that we got back a 4th and that the cap space we saved from trading Harris we singed DJ Jones, who is a probable improvement. Fant WAS a 1st, but probably had a trade value of around a 3.

    Since you "expect nothing less than Super Bowl appearances" because we traded a lot to get Russ, we can also assume you would have the same expectations of multiple Super Bowl appearances if we kept all those resources, right? The thing is, we've had 6 firsts and 7 seconds, including Lock and Fant, over the past 6 seasons, 5 losing seasons. And we had Shelby too. Your strategy didn't work. The Broncos trend has been the only Super Bowl winning team to miss the playoffs the next 6 years, not to mention 5 straight losing seasons.

    Demanding Super Bowl appearances to claim a trade to meet "expectations" of multiple Super Bowls is unrealistic and makes an assumption that no other players or coaches matter. A more reasonable standard would be that Russ improves us more than the assets we traded and realize that there are plenty of other factors that will determine our successes or not.

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    • Originally posted by BroncosFanInPA View Post

      This is such a weak argument, Wilson has a career playoff record of 9-7 with two super bowl appearances and one title....

      When manning came to Denver his playoff record was 9-10 with 1 super bowl win but proceeded to go 5-3 over 4 years with two super bowl appearances and one title.

      So based on your argument we should have never aquired Manning
      The bulk of those playoff wins came in his first three seasons. Last five years in the his playoffs record is 3-5 and 1-3 over the last three years of playoff appearances.

      The trend is losing in the playoffs, objectively.

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      • Originally posted by Deandc View Post

        Again it takes more than just a great QB to win. It is not about defending a guy it is about facts and common sense.

        Under your premise, if a Qb goes 3-7 in the playoffs, and scores on every drive they have but the defense gives up the game-winning score at the last second that is the Qbs fault? That is stupid. FYI he doe snot have an established trend of losing in the playoffs again 9-7 in the playoffs. Last I checked that is winning.
        1-3 in the last three seasons of playoff appearances, 3-5 over five years. That’s a losing trend.

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        • Originally posted by Fantaztic7 View Post

          The bulk of those playoff wins came in his first three seasons. Last five years in the his playoffs record is 3-5 and 1-3 over the last three years of playoff appearances.

          The trend is losing in the playoffs, objectively.
          You don't get to pick and choose which wins or losses count just to suit your narrative. Especially and leave out all the mitigating facts like a bottom 5 defense, an HC handcuffing you.

          Rodger went through a period where he was 0-3 in the playoffs so did Brady

          one more time and I will say it slowly


          IT TAKES MORE THAN A GREAT QB TO WIN IN THE PLAYOFFS. those are the facts.

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          • Trend: a general direction in which something is developing or changing. Example: "an upward trend in sales and profit margins”

            Russell Wilson’s playoff trend is losing, directionally after going 3-5 from 2015-2020 and 1-3 in 2018, 2019 and 2020.

            Those are the numbers folks. Perhaps he can break the trend with a fresh start.

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            • Lol! One track mind
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              • Originally posted by Fantaztic7 View Post
                Trend: a general direction in which something is developing or changing. Example: "an upward trend in sales and profit margins”

                Russell Wilson’s playoff trend is losing, directionally after going 3-5 from 2015-2020 and 1-3 in 2018, 2019 and 2020.

                Those are the numbers folks. Perhaps he can break the trend with a fresh start.
                OKay, trend Wilson was 2-0 his last 2 games when healthy guess that means we are winning.

                also trend in those 4 playoffs games Wilson was

                65% complt, 5 tds, 102 passer rating. Hmm shows the trend is Wilson did his part too bad the defense did not.

                oh and again since you still dont get it.

                IT TAKE MORE THAN A GREAT QB TO WIN IN THE PLAYOFFS.

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                • Originally posted by Fantaztic7 View Post
                  Trend: a general direction in which something is developing or changing. Example: "an upward trend in sales and profit margins”

                  Russell Wilson’s playoff trend is losing, directionally after going 3-5 from 2015-2020 and 1-3 in 2018, 2019 and 2020.

                  Those are the numbers folks. Perhaps he can break the trend with a fresh start.
                  Trend: Over 40 years without consecutive losing seasons followed by 5 straight losing seasons and being the only Super Bowl winning team to miss the playoffs the following 6 years. Those are numbers too and my numbers have a much larger sample size than yours.




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                  • Originally posted by lvbronx View Post

                    Trend: Over 40 years without consecutive losing seasons followed by 5 straight losing seasons and being the only Super Bowl winning team to miss the playoffs the following 6 years. Those are numbers too and my numbers have a much larger sample size than yours.



                    Not sure what that has to do with Russell Wilson’s directional trend of losing playoff games. But nice recap of the Broncos misfortunes since Manning retired.

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                    • Originally posted by Fantaztic7 View Post

                      Not sure what that has to do with Russell Wilson’s directional trend of losing playoff games. But a nice recap of the Bronco's misfortunes since Manning retired.
                      So under your trend model, the only thing that matters is the Qb in this case, Wilson, Then why do they have other players? Why is it no QB has won an SB without a great defense and or run game? Why is it the supposedly great Elway could not win till he got Davis?

                      Here is a trend for you every year Wilson has had a good to great defense he has taken the team to the NFCCG or SB.

                      You see I can tell if you are just arguing to argue or if you are dense or you just don't understand football. or all the above.

                      I am guessing all of the above.


                      So again another trend 2-0 last 2 games healthy and that trends supersedes yours since it is more recent.

                      also, his trend was to show you are stupid your whole premise is.

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                      • Sounds like Russell Wilson needs a top defense, perfect offensive line and coaches calling perfect games to win playoff games (see above replies). In other words he’s a journeyman vet who needs the team to win for him.

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                        • Originally posted by lvbronx View Post

                          You didn't mention that we got back a 4th and that the cap space we saved from trading Harris we singed DJ Jones, who is a probable improvement. Fant WAS a 1st, but probably had a trade value of around a 3.

                          Since you "expect nothing less than Super Bowl appearances" because we traded a lot to get Russ, we can also assume you would have the same expectations of multiple Super Bowl appearances if we kept all those resources, right? The thing is, we've had 6 firsts and 7 seconds, including Lock and Fant, over the past 6 seasons, 5 losing seasons. And we had Shelby too. Your strategy didn't work. The Broncos trend has been the only Super Bowl winning team to miss the playoffs the next 6 years, not to mention 5 straight losing seasons.

                          Demanding Super Bowl appearances to claim a trade to meet "expectations" of multiple Super Bowls is unrealistic and makes an assumption that no other players or coaches matter. A more reasonable standard would be that Russ improves us more than the assets we traded and realize that there are plenty of other factors that will determine our successes or not.
                          Pretty sure that was Elway’s strategy.

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                          • Originally posted by Fantaztic7 View Post

                            Pretty sure that was Elway’s strategy.
                            a reasonable person would expect a winning record and playoffs the first year. and then improvement every year. However, that is a reasonable person not a factless lunatic

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                            • The Broncos didn’t trade two 1st round picks, two 2nd round picks, a fifth round pick, two starters and a backup quarterback for Peyton Manning. There was literally no risk signing Manning because there was no draft capital lost.

                              Wilson comes with a trajectory of losing in the playoffs from 2015-2020 at a steep price tag. Much different scenario than signing a first ballot HoF quarterback with all your draft picks in tact.

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                              • Peyton Manning was 6-4 in the playoffs over his last five years playing with the Colts (2006-2010). He missed the entire 2011 season. The span of five years playing before signing with the Broncos included a 4-0 Super Bowl run and 2-1 run with a Super Bowl appearance.

                                Russell Wilson is 3-5 in the playoffs over five years and a losing season preceding arrival in Denver.

                                What was the question about trends?
                                Last edited by Fantaztic7; 05-01-2022, 09:20 PM.

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