Broncos QB Legacy

[mark222b]

Part of the problem is that, like it or not, college football is the leader in offensive innovation and some of the personnel decision makers in the NFL just aren't recognizing it or don't buy into it. NFL coaches have been complaining for awhile about QBs that have little experience taking the ball from under center or OL that don't know how to run block or the lack of drop-back pocket passers.

College is a completely different game than the NFL. The lack of parity and the power of the traditional football factories that get the top recruits force the teams in the next tier down to innovate. That's how we got the run 'n shoot, air raid, hurry-up and every variation in between. The good college teams can only compete with the great college teams with these innovative offenses and running or, at least mobile, QBs. Consequently, that's what the college produce. They get drafted and come up against a game that, for the most part, doesn't take advantage of their skill set.

The majority of NFL teams are still reluctant to embrace the QB as legit running weapons as opposed to just scramblers who can extend plays and, outside of WRs and TEs, the NFL isn't really getting the offensive players out of college that can play the NFL style of play. I don't see college reversing their trend so I think the NFL team that recognizes that and adapts will be more successful.

I'm not saying the college game is better. Just different. I'm an old guy. I like a team with a good defense and a strong running game to control the clock and field position. But that makes me a bit of a dinosaur and I don't think that's the formula for consistent winning any longer in the NFL.

Congratulations ...

You are exactly right with your analysis of part of the problem.
The West coast offense of the '80s was nearly unbeatable when zone blocking was used.
Of course, chop blocking was still allowed and defenses struggled to stay on their feet.
The smaller but faster offensive linemen were more easily able to reach the 2nd level on a run play,
making it easier for running backs to find a hole, make one cut, and head toward the end zone.
It also made it easier to give the QB extra time on a rollout or scramble.
Rule changes have made those days a thing of the past.
There are still variations of the West coast offense that are hanging on and just adding new wrinkles,
but with the speed of today's pass rushers, it is more difficult to execute reliable rollouts.
That's a shame too because I used to love watching Jake Plummer on a rollout.

The other part of the problem that you did not mention is the time it takes to change from one offense to another.
West coast offense to the Power run game for example, or to any number of spread offenses.
This is nothing new in football. Remember the I formation or the Wishbone. Think of the Shotgun or Pistol alignments.
In today's Not-For-Long league, it is difficult to change GMs or Head Coaches and their staffs,
without ending up with a hodge-podge collection of players that no longer fit the new staff philosophy.
We are going thru that right now after changing so often from previous Head Coaches.
Think Shanny (West Coast) to McD (Erhardt-Perkins), then McD to Fox (power run game),
then Fox to Kubiak (back to West Coast w/ Hank concept), then Kubiak to Joseph (McCoy short pass),
then Joseph to Fangio (Shurmur spread offense), finally, Fangio to Hackett (back to West Coast offense).
Is it any surprise that the current state of affairs are what they are ?
Until the GM brings in the type of offense that they want to stick with,
and then commits to it over many years developing the right type of offensive line,
to enable the skill players to establish and execute with the QB at a high level,
Until then, we should expect the same thing we have been seeing.
Once in a while a thinking mans QB comes along that can execute plays in any offense with the right players.
Peyton Manning was such a QB. We have not had any like him since. The Colts developed him for us.

The answer:
1. Stick with a Head coach for 5 years.
2. Build the offensive line from the inside out that work well with the scheme.
3. add QB and skill positions that work well with the scheme.
4. Develop the QB over 1 or 2 years as a backup and then add as a starter.

We keep doing things impatiently and out of order and expecting good results.
It is time to be patient and add staff according to who the owners want the offensive identity of the team to be.
Then draft, trade, and add player thru free agency, in accordance with a cohesive plan.
End the hodge padge and work toward that plan.

[RocketArm006]

https://www.9news.com/article/sports...b-3f96886a4faa

Maybe we have our future on the team already....I'm down with letting this guy develop over the next year / cut Russ at the end of 2023 if he doesn't improve and let Brett and Jarrett battle it out for 2024.

Interesting. Mobile guy. I’m all for developing a young QB. We’ll see how it all goes. I’d much rather develop and commit to a young QB than bring in another vet. Here’s hoping he can show some real promise in the preseason next year.

[skeeter01]

https://www.9news.com/article/sports/nfl/denver-broncos/mike-klis/introducing-jarrett-guarantano-broncos-quarterback/73-7511a77b-56a3-4490-818b-3f96886a4faa

Maybe we have our future on the team already....I'm down with letting this guy develop over the next year / cut Russ at the end of 2023 if he doesn't improve and let Brett and Jarrett battle it out for 2024.

[m0ng0]

I wonder if team 3 pulled him back? I don't think his schtick was working anyways, Denver fans are smarter than that.

[BlueTalon]

I see someone from Team 3 finally made a forum account.

It's like Deandc without so many grammatical errors.

[InsaneBlaze23]

RW will be better next year. He is building to be great next near and be in the MVP discussion. Have to be patient as he is still not used to the higher altitude. Denver gave up a couple players and draft picks for him but RW is a great player and will make the broncos contenders next year. If not there is not much that can be done except maybe RW comes out with a clothing line that makes him more money and he retires?

I see someone from Team 3 finally made a forum account.

[Broncos1963]

Do not think any Broncos QB, including John Elway and Peyton Manning, has ever had a private office and on-campus entourage with whom one must make an appointment. Want an office? It's called the QB Room. Want an entourage? You'll find it in the locker room.

If Russ is so busy that he truly needs these things then he is too busy to be an NFL player.

He should retire and do his other crap. And for the love of Pete, he needs to never again say he wants to be the best ever. He is obviously not committed enough to football.

Compare that to Brady (who I despise). After actually establishing himself as the greatest QB ever (I suppose), Brady flushed his whole family to keep playing football. A completely absurd decision btw but it defines the difference in focus.

[samparnell]

I'd forgotten about that. That is absolutely mind-boggling. Wilson's personal QB coach should be invited to leave Broncos facilities and never come back. (Along with the rest of Wison's entourage.)

Do not think any Broncos QB, including John Elway and Peyton Manning, has ever had a private office and on-campus entourage with whom one must make an appointment. Want an office? It's called the QB Room. Want an entourage? You'll find it in the locker room.

[Starbroncs]

RW will be better next year. He is building to be great next near and be in the MVP discussion. Have to be patient as he is still not used to the higher altitude. Denver gave up a couple players and draft picks for him but RW is a great player and will make the broncos contenders next year. If not there is not much that can be done except maybe RW comes out with a clothing line that makes him more money and he retires?

Is this Ciara?

Honestly if he was in mvp discussions next year that would be the biggest turnaround ever. Currently he's less effective than most of the worst rookie qbs of the last decade.

[cdn fan]

RW will be better next year. He is building to be great next near and be in the MVP discussion. Have to be patient as he is still not used to the higher altitude. Denver gave up a couple players and draft picks for him but RW is a great player and will make the broncos contenders next year. If not there is not much that can be done except maybe RW comes out with a clothing line that makes him more money and he retires?

[RocketArm006]

I'd forgotten about that. That is absolutely mind-boggling. Wilson's personal QB coach should be invited to leave Broncos facilities and never come back. (Along with the rest of Wison's entourage.)

Wholeheartedly agreed.

[BlueTalon]

Well, Wilson uses his personal QB coach, so that frees up our QB coach to develop a young QB.

I'd forgotten about that. That is absolutely mind-boggling. Wilson's personal QB coach should be invited to leave Broncos facilities and never come back. (Along with the rest of Wison's entourage.)

[Capt. Jack]

Why don't we sit Wilson for a few games and see what our backups can do since the season is lost?

He needs all the practice he can get!!!!!

[RocketArm006]

Why don't we sit Wilson for a few games and see what our backups can do since the season is lost?

At this point it doesn’t matter much. Rypien or Johnson might add a tiny bit of intrigue just because everything is totally boring. Neither of them are any sort of long term answer, so I guess it would just give us something different to look at.

[BANJOPICKER1]

Why don't we sit Wilson for a few games and see what our backups can do since the season is lost?