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  • #31
    I like the preseason! I don't think they will do away with it because it is two extra home games for which the owners to make money off of.

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    • #32
      Originally posted by silkamilkamonic View Post
      I dont know how the defense is going to be once the season starts,
      You would know if we showed a flash of game-planning/reg. season simulation in preseason, but we didnt, which was the whole point of the thread.
      Last edited by Archimedes Owl; 08-27-2007, 02:48 PM.
      dont let him pull dat move on ya, dont let him pull that move.......................oh no dats da move! TOUCHDOWN!!!

      I tried to warn ya.

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      • #33
        Originally posted by Return of Lava View Post
        See here is the thing, Im sure you will be part of the many who wont be able to understand why the same problems that happened in preseason are happening come opening day


        Are we as air-tight as the colts?

        Didnt think so

        Keep the thread open
        Colts = air-tight...

        That is a pretty good joke. But seriously, you where saying about defenses?

        There is no team in the league that doesn't have at least 5 weaknesses. That is just how the league has gotten since the salary cap. This is what a lot of people forget.

        Also, preseason does not take advantage of coaching and play calling. Noone is running stuff that they are going to be using in the regular season. Everything is base. The only special plays you see are ones intended to look at individual players that the coaches want to test.

        Also, with any team that changes coaches or coordinators, preseason teaches the players the new system. No team that has to intall a new system looks dominant in the preseason. That especially being true when they add as many new players as we have.


        Fans should not be allowed to watch preseason as many of them are having heart failure for nothing.

        Preseason is needed for players though. A lot of players have made their career by playing good in a preseason. A lot of players would have never made NFL teams if it wasn't for preseason. It is just a good chance to see how people do in live game action and it is a good chance for the players to see some game speed before the season starts.
        Last edited by jhns; 08-27-2007, 11:03 AM.

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        • #34
          Originally posted by Return of Lava View Post
          You would know if we showed a flash of game-planning/reg. season simulation in preseason, but we didnt, which was the whole point of the thread genius.
          And how does Bates gameplan with a defense when

          a)the entire defense isn't even put into place as far as scheme
          b)he doesn't know what's going to be successful, and what isn't
          c)he doesn't even know who's going to be the starting block

          If that's the point of your thread, it's a worthless argument then.

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          • #35
            Originally posted by tnedator View Post
            Preseason records mean nothing. Preseason play does. There is a difference.
            Not true. Because how do you determine that play? By what you see? Because the Raider fans were saying that they were BACk due to the PLAY on the field they saw during pre-season. People were saying the Colts were on the decline, because of the poor PLAY they saw during their preseason losses last year. So the "play" in preseason means as much as the wins-losses, squat.

            The only PLAY that matters is what happens during the reg season. If we played well during the pre-season, then got whipped in the regular season, would that GOOD play in the pre-season matter??? No. So the play, again, in the pre-season games means nothing.

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            • #36
              Originally posted by Cugel View Post
              The pre-season means nothing because veterans whose jobs are secure are only trying to avoid injury and get ready for the regular season. Champ Bailey had an article in the News the other day that said just that.

              He was complaining that the pre-season was just a chance for injury in a game for which he's not even being paid. Think he's going all out? Fat chance!

              Rookies and FAs are trying to make the team. That's what pre-season is for.

              Winning and losing has NOTHING to do with it and will have NOTHING to do with how the Broncos play in the regular season.

              Sometimes a team sucks in pre-season and sucks during the regular season. But, sometimes a team will do great in the pre-season, but suck in the regular season like the Raiders did last year.

              Then again, sometimes a team will suck in pre-season and win the SB like the Colts did. People were complaining about how bad the Patriots looked in the pre-season in 2004 too.

              Pre-season just has NO predictive force. About the only thing you can tell is if a player is playing well or not. Sometimes.
              I needed to quote this, because it said everything I wanted to say. Especially the point you made on what Bailey said. I was going to use Sam Adams as an example, but people seem to listen to Champ more.

              The Vets aren't getting paid for these games. THey are just opportunities to get injured and ruin the regular season, as well as take away your pay-check. They have a whole new intensity and level of play during the regular season, that its just not something you can determine by the MEANINGLESS pre-season games. They are SOOOo meaningless.

              Great post Cugal

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              • #37
                Originally posted by Ravage!!! View Post
                Not true. Because how do you determine that play? By what you see? Because the Raider fans were saying that they were BACk due to the PLAY on the field they saw during pre-season. People were saying the Colts were on the decline, because of the poor PLAY they saw during their preseason losses last year. So the "play" in preseason means as much as the wins-losses, squat.

                The only PLAY that matters is what happens during the reg season. If we played well during the pre-season, then got whipped in the regular season, would that GOOD play in the pre-season matter??? No. So the play, again, in the pre-season games means nothing.
                One way for us 'fans' to determine it is when people like Lynch and Shanny publically state that the play was poor and needs to improve, in preseason. When we see Shanny call a very unusual practice at Invesco the night before a game.

                Those are a couple ways we can determine poor play. Not too mention actually seeing the results or lack of results on the field. Cutler throwing behind receivers, Gold missing tackles, etc. Those are pretty clear indications of poor play.
                The human body has two ends on it: one to create with and one to sit on. Sometimes people get their ends reversed. When this happens they need a kick in the seat of the pants. --- Theodore Roosevelt

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by tnedator View Post
                  One way for us 'fans' to determine it is when people like Lynch and Shanny publically state that the play was poor and needs to improve, in preseason. When we see Shanny call a very unusual practice at Invesco the night before a game.

                  Those are a couple ways we can determine poor play. Not too mention actually seeing the results or lack of results on the field. Cutler throwing behind receivers, Gold missing tackles, etc. Those are pretty clear indications of poor play.
                  Mmmmmm kay..........

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by tnedator View Post
                    One way for us 'fans' to determine it is when people like Lynch and Shanny publically state that the play was poor and needs to improve, in preseason. When we see Shanny call a very unusual practice at Invesco the night before a game.

                    Those are a couple ways we can determine poor play. Not too mention actually seeing the results or lack of results on the field. Cutler throwing behind receivers, Gold missing tackles, etc. Those are pretty clear indications of poor play.
                    Well, since you're taking preseason so seriously, let's go ahead and break this down...

                    The first game against San Fransisco, we can pretty much agree is a wash. You can't determine anything positive or negative, as Mike Shanahan has stated that they don't really do or plan much for the first preseason game.

                    The second game against the Cowboys was pretty bad, but considering the short week, heat, Dallas utilizing a game plan, and Denver practicing in Dallas that week, I can pretty much excuse the Broncos' play in this game, too.

                    So the only game that's really in question is the Browns Game - a game where Denver had four sacks in the first half, the offensive line looked tremendous, and Cutler drove us down the field and had a touchdown pass in a two minute scenario. We easily could have won the game if not for a dropped pass by Walker and Denver going for two after their second TD. Yeah, the Browns are not a great team. But I saw a lot of positives in the Browns game that I hadn't seen in the previous two games. The only drawback on defense was some coverage breakdowns on third down, which according to the players, was all communication issues. That can and will be worked out.

                    I really don't understand your panic based on those assessments.
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                    • #40
                      And on top of everything I mentioned, there's also the fact that the starting unit knows that they have nothing to play for, and there isn't a sense of urgency that you would normally have as a player in a regular season or playoff game.
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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by silkamilkamonic View Post
                        And how does Bates gameplan with a defense when

                        a)the entire defense isn't even put into place as far as scheme
                        b)he doesn't know what's going to be successful, and what isn't
                        c)he doesn't even know who's going to be the starting block

                        If that's the point of your thread, it's a worthless argument then.
                        a,b, and c all should be decided in preseason...lol
                        Last edited by Return of Lava; 08-27-2007, 01:28 PM.
                        dont let him pull dat move on ya, dont let him pull that move.......................oh no dats da move! TOUCHDOWN!!!

                        I tried to warn ya.

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                        • #42
                          The preseason is usually used to test rookies and 3rd stringers or worse that may or may not even be on the team when the season starts. For the vets its used to get them into a somewhat real-game environment to get them warmed up for the regular season. We use very simple play calling, because a win or loss means absolutely nothing in the preseason, since 2 or 3 different sets of personnel will be playing and the schemes are very predictable.

                          I don't care if we go 4-0 or 0-4 in the preseason as long as we don't get key players injured.
                          2 of the top 3 NFL QBs of all time have been Broncos

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                          • #43
                            Originally posted by Ravage!!! View Post
                            I needed to quote this, because it said everything I wanted to say. Especially the point you made on what Bailey said. I was going to use Sam Adams as an example, but people seem to listen to Champ more.

                            The Vets aren't getting paid for these games. THey are just opportunities to get injured and ruin the regular season, as well as take away your pay-check. They have a whole new intensity and level of play during the regular season, that its just not something you can determine by the MEANINGLESS pre-season games. They are SOOOo meaningless.

                            Great post Cugal
                            why do we practice? why do you watch?
                            dont let him pull dat move on ya, dont let him pull that move.......................oh no dats da move! TOUCHDOWN!!!

                            I tried to warn ya.

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                            • #44
                              Originally posted by Ravage!!! View Post
                              Not true. Because how do you determine that play? By what you see? Because the Raider fans were saying that they were BACk due to the PLAY on the field they saw during pre-season. People were saying the Colts were on the decline, because of the poor PLAY they saw during their preseason losses last year. So the "play" in preseason means as much as the wins-losses, squat.

                              The only PLAY that matters is what happens during the reg season. If we played well during the pre-season, then got whipped in the regular season, would that GOOD play in the pre-season matter??? No. So the play, again, in the pre-season games means nothing.
                              You got to be kidding me

                              How are we ever gonna decide who to keep on the 53-man roster....
                              How are we gonna decide if Bates scheme is gonna work with the personnel we have...
                              How are we gonna get DJ ready to be a MLB in this league
                              How are we gonna build chemistry between QB's and WR's

                              and so on and so on...

                              if preseason play means nothing

                              tned is right and you guys are just way wrong.
                              dont let him pull dat move on ya, dont let him pull that move.......................oh no dats da move! TOUCHDOWN!!!

                              I tried to warn ya.

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                              • #45
                                Originally posted by Return of Lava View Post
                                You got to be kidding me

                                How are we ever gonna decide who to keep on the 53-man roster....
                                How are we gonna decide if Bates scheme is gonna work with the personnel we have...
                                How are we gonna get DJ ready to be a MLB in this league
                                How are we gonna build chemistry between QB's and WR's

                                and so on and so on...

                                if preseason play means nothing

                                tned is right and you guys are just way wrong.


                                well, im not going to say who is right or who is wrong because quite frankly who cares? its the PRE-SEASON. its soooooo meaningless its not funny. does anyone know for sure what the broncos pre-season record was in 97' or 98'. i don't know for sure, but i think they were mediocre at best, although i could be wrong about that either way. which is my point, i don't ever remember anybody being so worried about pre-season perfomance. IMO, its just ckicken fodder. i only watch to see if anyone new stands out. like selvin young did against the browns. wow, that guy looked great, but again its only pre-season so even though he looked awesome its not THAT big of a deal.


                                Dennis Smith/ my all-time favorite Denver Bronco.


                                props to Snk16 for the sig!

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