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  • Facts sack Tebow critics: Article

    By Dan Caplis
    The Denver Post
    Posted: 09/17/2011 01:00:00 AM MDT


    My opinion about who should start at quarterback for the Broncos shouldn't matter to anyone. But the facts should matter to everyone.

    The facts show that Tim Tebow​ is ahead of many of the NFL's greatest quarterbacks at this point in his career, and that the Broncos are more competitive with Tebow at quarterback than with Kyle Orton​.

    In his three regular season NFL starts, Tebow outperformed Peyton Manning​, Tom Brady​, Steve Young, Troy Aikman​ and John Elway​ in their first three starts. Tebow did all that while leading a 3-10 team that had nothing left to play for, a team that had lost eight of its last nine games with Orton at quarterback.

    Tebow's NFL rating of 82.70 is more than double that of Aikman (38.43) and Elway (38.53), and superior to Brady's (77.23). Data kept by the NFL also blows up the media-created myth that Tebow can't pass. In his three starts, Tebow threw for more yards (651) than Brady (618) or Elway (313). Manning threw for 32 more yards than Tebow, but it took him 33 more attempts to do it. Tebow also threw for more touchdowns than the other five quarterbacks.

    In addition to being a better passer, Tebow also ran for three touchdowns, one a game-winner, while the other five quarterbacks did not run for a single touchdown.

    Tebow instantly made the Broncos a more competitive team. For example, last year the Broncos lost their first game to Oakland, 59-14. In that game, Orton was sacked four times, threw an interception that was returned for a touchdown, fumbled, and had a passer rating of 73.6. And that was a home game.

    Six games later in Oakland, Tebow made his first NFL start against a Raider team in the playoff hunt. Tebow had the highest passer rating in the history of the Denver Broncos​ for a professional debut (100.5). In his very first game, Tebow became only the third player in NFL history to throw for a touchdown over 30 yards and run for a touchdown over 40 yards. He did not throw an interception or fumble. And he had the Broncos within 3 points in the fourth quarter before Oakland prevailed.

    The next week, Tebow threw for 308 yards and led the Broncos back from a 17-0 half-time deficit to beat Houston 24-23. Tebow won the game with a 6-yard touchdown run in the final minutes.

    In the last game of the season, Tebow led a comeback that fell just short as the Broncos lost 33-28 to San Diego. Tebow threw for two touchdowns, ran for one, had over 200 yards passing, and rushed for 94 yards. Earlier in the season, with Orton at quarterback, the Broncos scored half as many points against San Diego in a 35-14 loss.

    In his last 12 quarters of regular season football, Orton has thrown for one touchdown pass, been sacked 10 times, lost three fumbles, rushed for 18 yards and no touchdowns, and put a total of 39 points on the board. In his last 12 quarters, Tebow has thrown four touchdown passes, been sacked six times, rushed for 199 yards and three touchdowns, and did not lose a fumble. With Tebow at quarterback, the Broncos scored almost twice as many points as they did under Orton (75-39).

    The Broncos apparently fully appreciated how great Tebow's start was. Just two months ago, nfl.com reported that the "Broncos want to trade Orton to make way for Tebow."

    But the Broncos effort to unload Orton fell through when Miami backed out. Coach John Fox then apparently felt that he was stuck starting Orton. In order to raise the trade value for Orton, Fox had spent the entire off-season telling the team and league that Orton was the Broncos starting quarterback. So when Fox couldn't trade Orton, Orton remained the starter.

    Tebow was demoted, and most of his snaps in pre-season games were with the second and third team. Despite that, Tebow finished the preseason with a higher quarterback rating than Orton, led a game-winning drive, and did not throw a single interception.

    So the next time someone says Tebow can't play quarterback in the NFL, ask them how they like Elway, Manning, Brady, Aikman and Young. And ask what more you can ask of Tebow, than to play better than those Super Bowl winners in his first three starts.

    Dan Caplis is a Denver lawyer and the co-host of the "Caplis & Silverman" radio show on KHOW-AM (630).

    Read more: Facts sack Tebow critics - The Denver Post http://www.denverpost.com/opinion/ci...#ixzz1YCDC2fNl

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    Nice write up from Dan with a concise analysis regarding Tebow's Broncos stats and performance. Dan is an attorney and presents his case well. This provides an excellent summary of facts to send to whomever.
    Last edited by mdkTebow; 09-17-2011, 02:31 AM.
    On Tebow: After a dismal 1-4 start to this season. "I've never seen a human who can will himself to win like that"
    Von Miller 11.27.2011

    “Tebow is a special kind of a player; I’ve never seen a player like him in my whole career”
    Champ Bailey said on “NFL Total Access”


    "As a math guy, I would say that Tebow has a high trajectory by linear extrapolation, don't you think?"

  • #2
    Yeah, but.....
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    • #3
      Funny how facts back tebow and excuses and blaming other players back orton
      Time to build on the win and grow the team from some solid play higher level of play

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      • #4
        This.

        10 car.

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        • #5
          Information like this just falls upon deaf ears unfortunately, which is a dang shame.

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          • #6
            Truth, fact, indisputable

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            • #7
              77.7 Was Tebows first 3 starts passer rating.

              80.1 was Bruce Gradkowski's first 3 starts passer rating.

              Bruce has shown that he can come back in games and win. The Raiders whole team played better while he was starting for them.

              Oh by the way Bruce also went 2-1 his first 3 starts.

              Guys according to this first 3 starts formula people have been forming I think we should trade Tebow for Bruce. Sounds logical by the way you guys are talking.

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              • #8
                Dead on and the truth. Don't see any Tebow naysayers rebuting these facts. Why do people
                continue to believe in a proven second string QB Orton? Hello people Denver will Never win a
                SuperBowl with Orton at QB. Great kid but he's had ample time in this league to prove he's a
                Winner. Only time Orton will ever do that is serving second string to a real NFL QB. Judge it like
                This..after all his time in the NFL, do we honestly believe Orton would start over ANY other top
                rated QB in this league? I think not. So the logical conclusion is to give Tim his chance to lead the
                Broncos this season. If Orton isn't capable of leading a team even to the playoffs its time to pass
                on the reigns to Tim.

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                • #9
                  The only thing I can think of that makes sense is that
                  1. The front office & coaching staff knows this team is really bad.
                  2. They feel if they start Tebow first, and the team sucks he will be ruined by the media worse than he is now.
                  3. So they are allowing Orton to set the standard,
                  4. So that when they hand it over to Tebow, "if" team shows the slightest "improvement", and for the preparation for 2012 season.... This keeps the fans coming late in the season, and media quiet on the Tebow issue if he preforms better.
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by dvldwg89 View Post
                    Dead on and the truth. Don't see any Tebow naysayers rebuting these facts. Why do people
                    continue to believe in a proven second string QB Orton? Hello people Denver will Never win a
                    SuperBowl with Orton at QB. Great kid but he's had ample time in this league to prove he's a
                    Winner. Only time Orton will ever do that is serving second string to a real NFL QB. Judge it like
                    This..after all his time in the NFL, do we honestly believe Orton would start over ANY other top
                    rated QB in this league? I think not. So the logical conclusion is to give Tim his chance to lead the
                    Broncos this season. If Orton isn't capable of leading a team even to the playoffs its time to pass
                    on the reigns to Tim.
                    lol, we could win a game with orton we would just need an elite defense.
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                    • #11
                      i still think offering a trade package with llyod and orton would be good one DT is availible. Royal should take llyods spot.


                      Royal and Decker should be the starts.


                      lastly royals disapearence hasn't been coaching it has been orton does not know how to use royal.
                      Last edited by Kyousukeneko; 09-17-2011, 04:21 AM.
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                      • #12
                        Thank you Dan. And how many times has it been said, exactly this by so many on this board...in not so few well chosen words.

                        Today again on KOA Krieger and Lindall start the show off with talk about the QB's. Krieger: "Show me where Tim Tebow has ever proven he can play better than Orton..." (words to that effect). We get the same thing from Dave Logan.

                        I want to scream this article at them each time. Tebow didn't beat the record books in a system suited for padding stats, he destroyed records and looked for more by doing amazing things.

                        Kaplis is completely right on, nail on the head, enough said, fu' get about it.

                        It's time for Tebow. Who can believe with a straight face that when a coach says he likes a gamer that he really thinks of Orton before Tebow? Ridiculous. Not after the last two seasons here.

                        Best line of the whole piece: For example, last year the Broncos lost their first game to Oakland, 59-14. In that game, Orton was sacked four times, threw an interception that was returned for a touchdown, fumbled, and had a passer rating of 73.6. And that was a home game.

                        I guess the difference between Denver's embarassment to the Raiders last year (59-14) and the loss last Monday night was defense, because Orton just about duplicated his performance from the year before and they only lost by 3 points.



                        Orton guaranteed a win on Sunday.

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                        • #13
                          what was quoted in red above...I was just thinking the same thing. I looked at the stat line and thought.."Orton hasn't improved since last season-at all."

                          At least last season Orton came out looking good. Completed a lot of passes, put up a lot of yards, and I remember talk about setting an all time season high for passing yards.

                          But as the season progressed, his play got worse, the team got worse.

                          The last 3 games were the most exiciting, competitive football I had seen out of Denver in a long time. Heck, I think Orton knew he was done, since he requested a trade to get out of Denver.

                          A part of me says that Orton will get better as the season progresses, because he's done that in the past...but in the end, we know the crappy play will rear its ugly head, because it always has in the past. And at the worst times. And Orton playing well doesnt mean that Denver wins any more games either.

                          I know it was already one game, but it felt like last season, like Denver was playing at last year's mid-season form...and that really is too bad. Thankfully, this weekend will only be the second game of the season.
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                          • #14
                            Facts and Truth seem to be factors Elway and company refuse to acknowledge.

                            The only thing that makes sense considering how pathetic Orton is, and how much promise Tebow possess to me, is Elway refusing to hand over the reigns to Tebow, because he is hell bent on maintaining his role as the be all end all if Broncos Lore. Elway has emerged as the wicked Step mother locking Tebow up from going to the ball. Modern day Cinderella story. Elway needs to step off...

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                            • #15
                              The only Fact that anyone really cares about is:
                              5-18 in his last 23 starts. "Thats QB gives you the best shot at winning". As you can see by :orton: 21.7% W/L record.

                              To me, thats unprecedented. Are there any other QBs that continue to start after 23 games with 18 losses?

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