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  • BroncoFanNC
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    Goodman's 2 clutch INT's a year isn't worth $4 mill....

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  • MileHighInNY
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    Originally posted by flosstein View Post
    And even the bust factor is based upon where he was drafted. If he was taken in the 3rd like he should've been and put in a 2-back system where he's primarily the 3rd down guy, he'd be right on par. He has use and if we had him down the stretch, we'd have been even better. Out of the backfield he could be one of the most dangerous, if he stops out running his protection too soon. That's my biggest knock on him. He needs to be a lil' more patient b4 he turns on the speed. Let 1 more block happen and he's almost as dangerous as Sproles.
    Moreno was universally considered the top RB player in that draft; he was going to be a first-rounder for sure. You're correct that his production in the NFL has been more akin to a third-rounder, but nobody knew that at the time and a lot of analysts thought the Broncos got really good value on Moreno because he "slid" as far as he did. No way he would have been a 3rd-rounder.

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  • SBboundBRONCOS
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    Originally posted by flosstein View Post
    And even the bust factor is based upon where he was drafted. If he was taken in the 3rd like he should've been and put in a 2-back system where he's primarily the 3rd down guy, he'd be right on par. He has use and if we had him down the stretch, we'd have been even better. Out of the backfield he could be one of the most dangerous, if he stops out running his protection too soon. That's my biggest knock on him. He needs to be a lil' more patient b4 he turns on the speed. Let 1 more block happen and he's almost as dangerous as Sproles.
    how can you say "drafted in the 3rd like he should have been"

    thats just ignorance, based on college play and every analyst he was a first rounder

    just because we have hindsight on our side doesnt mean he was 3rd round talent . . . he just hasnt panned out like a first rounder should have

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  • DarkHorse26
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    Originally posted by MHSalute View Post
    Goody should be restructured, not replaced. He is still a solid cover corner, if he drops down to a 2M salary, that is a bargain, on a 1 year deal.
    Goodman's time is up and personally, I think it's time to part ways. Unfortunately he is more of a reliability at this point of his career than a solid cover guy. Unlike Champ, he seems to lose a step each season.

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  • flosstein
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    Originally posted by MorenoFan27 View Post
    I will look up stats that show Moreno is not nearly as bad as people say. He's actually a good Rb in total yards and was running well before injury. Now is he a bust? Oh yes, but as far being a waste of a roster spot is ridiculous.
    And even the bust factor is based upon where he was drafted. If he was taken in the 3rd like he should've been and put in a 2-back system where he's primarily the 3rd down guy, he'd be right on par. He has use and if we had him down the stretch, we'd have been even better. Out of the backfield he could be one of the most dangerous, if he stops out running his protection too soon. That's my biggest knock on him. He needs to be a lil' more patient b4 he turns on the speed. Let 1 more block happen and he's almost as dangerous as Sproles.

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  • MorenoFan27
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    I will look up stats that show Moreno is not nearly as bad as people say. He's actually a good Rb in total yards and was running well before injury. Now is he a bust? Oh yes, but as far being a waste of a roster spot is ridiculous.

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  • MileHighInNY
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    Originally posted by catsigater View Post
    That makes sense, but I really don't think the Broncos will worry too much about whether the backups are as close as possible to Tebow's skill set.

    Instead, they will seek to run a more traditional offense, that any good QB can run. It's Tebow who will have to augment his skill set in order to fit the offense they really want to run.
    You're right to a point, but it's still good for the team if your starter and backup have similar playing styles. The easier you could make the transition for the other players on the field, the better the team's performance would be with the backup. If the o-line is used to blocking for a mobile, athletic QB who gets outside of the pocket a lot, they need to have a different mentality for that than they would if blocking for a pocket-shackled statue who can't run. The closer the styles of the starter and backup, the fewer adjustments the other players need to make.

    But it only goes so far. If you are choosing between two backups, and one is closer to your starter's style but the other is simply a better player, you go with the higher-quality player. But if both guys are relatively close in quality, the tiebreaker should be in favor of the guy who has the playing style and skill set most similar to your starter.

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  • vLordChronicv
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    i think moreno is a waste of a roster spot. he has proven he cant stay healthy and a 30 year old back showed him how to run this year.

    Not to mention he is such a genius he doesnt even have insurance on his bentley. The sauced part i dont even care about compared to not having car insurance. Its logic.

    Goodman is a good corner, but old. i would keep him with a restructure.
    Last edited by vLordChronicv; 02-24-2012, 03:24 AM.

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  • MHSalute
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    Goody should be restructured, not replaced. He is still a solid cover corner, if he drops down to a 2M salary, that is a bargain, on a 1 year deal.

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  • berlownacyo7s
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    lol at Brady Quinn. You can't hurt your chances at being re-signed if they were zero in the first place.

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  • catsigater
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    Originally posted by MileHighInNY View Post
    I also just don't think he's a great fit for the offense right now. I expect that the offensive playbook will open up a bit more this season, but you still want somebody as close as possible to Tebow's skill set to be the backup.
    That makes sense, but I really don't think the Broncos will worry too much about whether the backups are as close as possible to Tebow's skill set.

    Instead, they will seek to run a more traditional offense, that any good QB can run. It's Tebow who will have to augment his skill set in order to fit the offense they really want to run.

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  • #24 Next Champ
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    Goodie is by no means terrible like some portray...but he really regressed last year...two years ago he was a great cover cb imo ...but last year he just lost that real tight coverage ability he had before ...Also Allen's scheme sometimes did that to both he and Champ ...Allen really wasn't all that good ..

    Anyhow bottom line, yes Goodie should be replaced (unless he'll take reduced salary, very reduced) cuz if he would stay for cheap I say keep em and let he, another cb via draft/FA, and Vaughn duke it out for the other outside cb spot ...I like Harris at nickel (let Squid or draft pick) compete with him there but I don't want Thompson on the outside at 5'9

    I like FA or Rookie/Vaughn/Goodie competition for outside spot

    Harris/Squid/rookie battle at nickel going into camp

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  • MileHighInNY
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    Originally posted by PhoenixDread View Post
    Goodman has been clutch (believe it or not) but he is expendable due to age and poor run support
    You're right, Goodman has been clutch and has made some big plays when it counted most. The problem is that in other situations he's a liability and gets beat way more than you want to see in a starting NFL cornerback, especially for the contract amount he represents. Inconsistent pass coverage plus poor run support does not justify a $4,000,000 cap hit.

    Also, given Goodman's age, he's going to decline each year; he's certainly not going to get any better. Combine that with the fact that this team desperately needs an infusion of young talent at CB (to be groomed by Champ, if nothing else), and Goodman should probably be replaced by younger CBs with potential.

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  • MileHighInNY
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    I tend to like Brady Quinn more than most, but I don't see him coming back to Denver next season. He still thinks he can be a starter in the NFL, and will likely try to land somewhere without an incumbent starter where he can truly compete for the job in camp. He probably doesn't get that chance with the Broncos, at least not right away.

    I also just don't think he's a great fit for the offense right now. I expect that the offensive playbook will open up a bit more this season, but you still want somebody as close as possible to Tebow's skill set to be the backup. Even if the plays don't need to change, it gets tough for the blockers if they're used to blocking for a mobile running threat and then they need to switch it up for a pocket passer. I think there are better fits than Quinn for the backup QB in this offense right now in free agency (Josh Johnson comes to mind).

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  • catsigater
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    “We’re very comfortable with Tim,” Fox said. “He did turn us from a 4-12 team to a playoff team.”
    Fox is obviously a mindless Tebow fanatic who gives all the credit to Tim and none to the team.

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