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  • Is Manning Worth the Hangover?

    http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/story/1...ter-he-retires

    I call it selling your soul.

    That's what any team that signs Peyton Manning would be doing. I still think Manning can play at a high level, but it's not a certainty. And even if he can play like he did before his four neck surgeries, who says he wins a title?

    The questions nobody out there is asking are there: What if he doesn't win a Super Bowl? What if it doesn't work? What if he's gone to retirement and hanging with his young twins in two years?

    Anything short of winning a Super Bowl would make his signing a failure.

    Division title? Not good enough.

    Playing in a conference title game? Still not good enough. Super Bowl loser? Nope.

    Win a ring or the move is a failure for the signing team. There would be no other way to describe it.

    Let's say Team A signs Manning to a five-year, incentive-laden deal with $25 million in guaranteed money. Let's say it's back-loaded and it's really only a three-year deal, with two years added on for bookkeeping purposes.

    Team A would then have three years to win a Super Bowl. In those three years, that team would likely avoid drafting a potential franchise passer.

    So it might come to this even if he does win a title: one ring followed by a decade of losing.

    Some will say that's worth it. Is it? That team's fans should be like that guy who jumps off cliffs for the shear enjoyment of it with that squirrel suit. Eventually, the crash is coming. The thrill of the ride is fine, and it will be for the team that signs Manning, but the crash is inevitable.

    Just look at the Colts.

    A year ago, long before we thought Manning's neck would keep him sidelined, the Colts were considered a Super contender. Then he misses the entire season, they finish with the worst record in the league, and now they're blowing up the franchise.

    The only thing left is Jim Irsay's wacky Twitter account and that might be part of the purge too the way things are going.

    The Colts might not contend for a Super Bowl for another four years. It could be longer.

    But Manning produced a decade of dominance and one Super Bowl title. He also helped Irsay build a new stadium and attract a Super Bowl to a city that would have never had it without the house that Peyton built.

    For the Colts, it was more than worth it.

    But this Manning is 35. This Manning has a bad neck. This Manning is hoping a nerve regenerates just to be able to throw with the same velocity he once did. You can have all the grainy videos leaked to the media you want. Until he lines up and throws for a half-hour, nobody will know for sure if he can do it.

    It's like hearing great things about a racehorse that once won a big-stakes race. Then finding out the horse has a bad foot. Would you buy it? Would you even bet on it?

    Yes, Manning is a tireless worker and if anybody can do it he can. But it's still risky -- to say the least.

    I say he comes back. And I still think he plays well.

    But I offer this caution: If he doesn't win a Super Bowl with his new team, that team will have a hard time recovering.

    As detailed as Manning is on the nuances of the NFL game, he has to know this deep down, not that it should matter to him. But the team that signs him will essentially be selling the team soul. Just remember that as Manning excitement grips his new city or state, whether it's Denver, Miami or Phoenix or wherever.

    There will be only one way to judge whether Peyton Manning is a good move, and that will be if his new team adds that big, shiny Tiffany trophy to the case in their hallway.

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    In the NFL, if you have a chance, or a window of opportunity, you take it. If Manning is here for 4-5 years he gives us a chance.

    I don't agree with this line of thinking because we are not giving up any draft picks.

    He will help our young receivers and JT develop a lot more then they could last season.

    We can continue to build through the draft.

    In 2-3 years draft a QB who can learn behind Manning then take over.

    I think people use the 'setting franchise back' line just for the sake of it. People have to understand that Tebow is not our franchise QB, he's a project QB.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by bronx_2003 View Post
      In the NFL, if you have a chance, or a window of opportunity, you take it. If Manning is here for 4-5 years he gives us a chance.

      I don't agree with this line of thinking because we are not giving up any draft picks.

      He will help our young receivers and JT develop a lot more then they could last season.

      We can continue to build through the draft.

      In 2-3 years draft a QB who can learn behind Manning then take over.

      I think people use the 'setting franchise back' line just for the sake of it. People have to understand that Tebow is not our franchise QB, he's a project QB.
      I agree with this fully. People are to focused on tebow to not realize that this deal could kick start the broncos long term success.

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      • #4
        It's not about Tebow. It's about getting a washed up old QB who MIGHT play 2 years. If he does we aren't getting to the Super Bowl.

        I don't want a FO is interested in a quick fix, I want a FO interested in building a dynasty similar to NE and you don't do that by acquiring a 35 year old QB.

        I would have been much more comfortable with them trading to get RGIII, this is ridiculous.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by MajorFriend View Post
          It's not about Tebow. It's about getting a washed up old QB who MIGHT play 2 years. If he does we aren't getting to the Super Bowl.

          I don't want a FO is interested in a quick fix, I want a FO interested in building a dynasty similar to NE and you don't do that by acquiring a 35 year old QB.

          I would have been much more comfortable with them trading to get RGIII, this is ridiculous.
          So its more that you don't like PM anymore, which is fair enough, rather then what we are doing in terms of bringing in a veteran

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          • #6
            Originally posted by shawinkerpoppin View Post
            I agree with this fully. People are to focused on tebow to not realize that this deal could kick start the broncos long term success.
            And what if it doesn't kick start us? What if Manning can no longer throw like he used to? Where is some footage of Peyton throwing the ball that you can tell for sure he is good to go? If he is healed why hasn't he done a video showing he is old self or close to it?

            These are the questions I have and think need to be answered. If Peyton is 100% you have to sign him. But he has to be 100% or close to it to take this team to SB anytime in the next 1-2 years.
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            • #7
              Originally posted by MajorFriend View Post
              It's not about Tebow. It's about getting a washed up old QB who MIGHT play 2 years. If he does we aren't getting to the Super Bowl.

              I don't want a FO is interested in a quick fix, I want a FO interested in building a dynasty similar to NE and you don't do that by acquiring a 35 year old QB.

              I would have been much more comfortable with them trading to get RGIII, this is ridiculous.
              If we could get to pick 1 or 2 we might not of gone after PM, but there was ZERO chance of that happening

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              • #8
                Originally posted by tacmale View Post
                And what if it doesn't kick start us? What if Manning can no longer throw like he used to? Where is some footage of Peyton throwing the ball that you can tell for sure he is good to go? If he is healed why hasn't he done a video showing he is old self or close to it?

                These are the questions I have and think need to be answered. If Peyton is 100% you have to sign him. But he has to be 100% or close to it to take this team to SB anytime in the next 1-2 years.
                I think I read last night that Manning have extensive high quality video he can provide to teams (and I'm sure he has). He also is willing to give the team contract assurances should his health not pan out.

                I don't think ANY team in the NFL is going to sign Manning on his word, not even the Broncos.
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by tacmale View Post
                  And what if it doesn't kick start us? What if Manning can no longer throw like he used to? Where is some footage of Peyton throwing the ball that you can tell for sure he is good to go? If he is healed why hasn't he done a video showing he is old self or close to it?

                  These are the questions I have and think need to be answered. If Peyton is 100% you have to sign him. But he has to be 100% or close to it to take this team to SB anytime in the next 1-2 years.
                  Manning missed a season but plenty have and came back. I know he had neck surgeries but doctors have said he is 100 %, he did a recent workout and reports were he looked really good, threw it 50 yards.

                  Not where he needs to be but progressing very well

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                  • #10
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by tacmale View Post
                      And what if it doesn't kick start us? What if Manning can no longer throw like he used to? Where is some footage of Peyton throwing the ball that you can tell for sure he is good to go? If he is healed why hasn't he done a video showing he is old self or close to it?

                      These are the questions I have and think need to be answered. If Peyton is 100% you have to sign him. But he has to be 100% or close to it to take this team to SB anytime in the next 1-2 years.
                      its a risk worth taking. It depends on mannings health and how well the QB they choose to develop comes along. We could very well say what if tebow fails next year? Then we are a losing team that gets really set back. I personally rather take a risk on manning becuase there is more to benefit from him being here.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by bronx_2003 View Post
                        So its more that you don't like PM anymore, which is fair enough, rather then what we are doing in terms of bringing in a veteran
                        That's right. Manning was a great player, and he may still be for another year or two. Even if he is though I don't think he leads his team to a SB, he was only able to do it once in Indy.

                        My view is that Dynasties are built through the draft, and our FO does not seem interested in doing that.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by shawinkerpoppin View Post
                          its a risk worth taking. It depends on mannings health and how well the QB they choose to develop comes along. We could very well say what if tebow fails next year? Then we are a losing team that gets really set back. I personally rather take a risk on manning becuase there is more to benefit from him being here.
                          Thing is with Tebow two thing happen next year.
                          1) He is improved and we decide to build around him for the future
                          2) He sucks and we draft a QB to build around for the future

                          With Manning we have no future, we instantly become a franchise in decline.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by MajorFriend View Post
                              That's right. Manning was a great player, and he may still be for another year or two. Even if he is though I don't think he leads his team to a SB, he was only able to do it once in Indy.

                              My view is that Dynasties are built through the draft, and our FO does not seem interested in doing that.
                              We're not giving up draft picks if we sign Manning.

                              Replacing a mediocre QB with a HOFer isn't sabotaging your draft future. I would say they weren't even mutually exclusive...

                              ...unless you think that Tebow is a franchise QB and that's what you're referring to.
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