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  • #16
    Also (continuation of previous post)

    In cover 2, inside release is EXACTLY what you want, c'mon now Sam...where is your help? You have all your help on the inside zones that should be perfect for eliminating crosses/slants...

    You have no help outside (behind you) unless it's a unique 2 coverage...

    The safeties have to play somewhat even (fair) because if they super cheat to the outside it'll show up on film and teams will burn you all day with the TE or slot WR seam routes up the middle (plus safties often don't wanna tip it off to the QB that it's two so often times they're not in good position in first second or two after snap)

    My CB coach would scream at us constantly "DON'T LET YOUR MAN GET A FREE OUTSIDE RELEASE, IF HE'S BENT ON IT MAKE HIM EARN IT SO OUR SAFETIES HAVE TIME TO GET THERE" because it's more important to risk a completion in the flats than having a WR hit in stride with one safety to beat over top

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    • #17
      Originally posted by #24 Next Champ View Post
      Also (continuation of previous post)

      In cover 2, inside release is EXACTLY what you want, c'mon now Sam...where is your help? You have all your help on the inside zones that should be perfect for eliminating crosses/slants...

      You have no help outside (behind you) unless it's a unique 2 coverage...

      The safeties have to play somewhat even (fair) because if they super cheat to the outside it'll show up on film and teams will burn you all day with the TE or slot WR seam routes up the middle (plus safties often don't wanna tip it off to the QB that it's two so often times they're not in good position in first second or two after snap)

      My CB coach would scream at us constantly "DON'T LET YOUR MAN GET A FREE OUTSIDE RELEASE, IF HE'S BENT ON IT MAKE HIM EARN IT SO OUR SAFETIES HAVE TIME TO GET THERE" because it's more important to risk a completion in the flats than having a WR hit in stride with one safety to beat over top
      You misunderstood me. Cover 1/0 is line up inside force to the outside. I don't recall having said zone corners should allow an outside release. Cover 1/0 is not zone.

      A cover 2 Corner who jams hard from the outside runs the risk of being beaten off the jam. The point I was attempting to make is that jamming in zone is risky. Risk of a flag and risk of being defeated resulting in the clean release.

      We seem to differ in DB technique. I am of the opinion that if you're playing man, jam and cover. If you're playing zone, play it, but don't get burned as a result of being cute; drop, read, break.

      I'm not a huge fan of cover 2 anyway. None of the guys I coached were fast enough to play deep halves, and my corners were usually small and not good at jamming. My philosophy probably stems from that.

      We used mostly cover 1 and 3 (middle of the field closed) expecting sideline passes to be more difficult for our opponents to complete. Tampa 2 is actually a combo version of cover 3 if Mike can take the seam. We ran a split six and had four Backers for the short zones. Cover 3 was effective and we had plenty of blitz packages in cover 1.
      Last edited by samparnell; 05-26-2012, 03:34 PM.
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      • #18
        I know what 1 and zero are lol

        1 has deep middle safety looking for who got beat over top/route to jump if everyone is good

        0 changes technique because now you have no safety help at all because it's a blitz

        Well I get what you're saying cuz that's your personnel, but we're talkin bout Broncos man

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        • #19
          Originally posted by #24 Next Champ View Post
          I know what 1 and zero are lol

          1 has deep middle safety looking for who got beat over top/route to jump if everyone is good

          0 changes technique because now you have no safety help at all because it's a blitz

          Well I get what you're saying cuz that's your personnel, but we're talkin bout Broncos man
          OK.

          Drayton Florence seems like he could do some redirecting of routes. Omar Bolden may turn into an NFL DB who can do that, too.

          There are a lot of big receivers in the NFL today. They are much more difficult to jam and there aren't DBs who are nearly as large. That technique has its limits even in the NFL. The level of football isn't nearly as much of an issue as the matchup problems.
          Last edited by samparnell; 05-26-2012, 06:14 PM.
          "Stultum est timere quod vitare non potes." ~ Publilius Syrus

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          • #20
            Originally posted by samparnell View Post
            Go ahead and call Tampa 2. Motion from from Pro to Twins will cause a rotation in the secondary. If Z's motion takes him outside X, who is the CB going to jam? He can't jam both. If he jams one, the other gets a clean release and the flat is open for Flare/Wheel route. It also opens up backside routes. In a tight formation with two off receivers, it causes additional problems.

            When a zone defender jams, he is occupied and can't manage his zone of responsibility on a consistent basis. It's unsound defense. Sound defensive coverage technique is to jam when in cover 1/0 or in combo man. It isn't as easy as some seem to think. It's riskier for a zone defender than for man.

            DBs in Cover 1/0 are lined up inside their man. Zone defenders aren't usually. Jamming from the outside allows an inside release which is not usually desirable especially in a split front with Cover 2/Tampa 2 as the call. Is there a DB in the NFL who can successfully jam any receiver all the time? I'm sure there are some who can't jam well most of the time.

            I can understand a D getting burned when O runs against a blitz call or bites too hard on PAP, but not as a result of poor technique.
            In that very specific instance, it would be tough to jam, but in the basis of their offense they press the outside receiver and play the flats, which isn't difficult whatsoever unless they're spread out or in tight.
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