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  • #16
    If McCoy and Manning plan on using a lot of tight formations, they probably will keep four TEs. TEs are usually good ST players.
    "Stultum est timere quod vitare non potes." ~ Publilius Syrus

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    • #17
      Originally posted by samparnell View Post
      If McCoy and Manning plan on using a lot of tight formations, they probably will keep four TEs. TEs are usually good ST players.
      That is true it can happen. It usually means another spot will be short a player. Do you think it will be OL? RB? Maybe WR?

      That is the game teams got to go through every year the two weeks leading up to opening game. Just curious if you kept 4 TEs who would be cut at the other spot? Moreno at RB? One our depth OL? Maybe Caldwell or Willis at WR?

      Knock on wood but this gets even harder if we have to carry an injured player.

      I still think we keep 3 TEs and trade one of the ones we have now. Depending on the exact path our offense goes it will be Green or Julius Thomas imo.

      Maybe we get Julius time on STs and WR and since he can flll so many roles maybe we keep him but I think another TE would have to show he could fill another role as well besides TE for this to happen so that the coaches feel comfortable in letting someone else go as I really think we are going to keep 5 WRs.

      This leads us to being short at RB or OL if we keep 4 TEs
      Time to build on the win and grow the team from some solid play higher level of play

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      • #18
        Originally posted by Hadez View Post
        That is true it can happen. It usually means another spot will be short a player. Do you think it will be OL? RB? Maybe WR?

        That is the game teams got to go through every year the two weeks leading up to opening game. Just curious if you kept 4 TEs who would be cut at the other spot? Moreno at RB? One our depth OL? Maybe Caldwell or Willis at WR?

        Knock on wood but this gets even harder if we have to carry an injured player.

        I still think we keep 3 TEs and trade one of the ones we have now. Depending on the exact path our offense goes it will be Green or Julius Thomas imo.

        Maybe we get Julius time on STs and WR and since he can flll so many roles maybe we keep him but I think another TE would have to show he could fill another role as well besides TE for this to happen so that the coaches feel comfortable in letting someone else go as I really think we are going to keep 5 WRs.

        This leads us to being short at RB or OL if we keep 4 TEs
        3 QB + 4 RB + 1 FB + 5 WR + 4 TE + 8 OL = 25 O

        9 DB (4 S + 5 CB) + 7 LB + 9 DL = 25 D

        1 LS + 1 P + 1 PK = 3 Specialists

        ST are dominated by TE, FB, RB, DB and LB, especially coverage teams (i.e., Punt & Kickoff).

        As far as specific players are concerned, let's let TC and preseason take place with the coaching staff deciding who makes the team. Except for the Option series, all of the rushing attack from 2011 will be back. Much of that was from tight formations. Manning has called plays from tight formations quite a bit as well and has some input. Fox is committed to a sophisticated rushing attack.

        Green did such a good job of blocking in 2011 and has such great receiving ability, I doubt if he is released even with the unfair suspension he will serve. There are few TEs who excel in both blocking and receiving. Thomas has upside, but an injury with surgery to rehab. Dreessen and Tamme seem very likely to make the team. These four would be my choice depending on J. Thomas' health.
        Last edited by samparnell; 06-30-2012, 11:10 AM.
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        • #19
          Hoping he has a breakout season, great potential, we're looking at brilliant depth in the tight end position too, think we'll keep all 4 of our TEs
          Come On You Blues! GO BRONCOS!

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          • #20
            Originally posted by samparnell View Post
            3 QB + 4 RB + 1 FB + 5 WR + 4 TE + 8 OL = 25 O

            9 DB (4 S + 5 CB) + 7 LB + 9 DL = 25 D

            1 LS + 1 P + 1 PK = 3 Specialists

            ST are dominated by TE, FB, RB, DB and LB, especially coverage teams (i.e., Punt & Kickoff).

            As far as specific players are concerned, let's let TC and preseason take place with the coaching staff deciding who makes the team. Except for the Option series, all of the rushing attack from 2011 will be back. Much of that was from tight formations. Manning has called plays from tight formations quite a bit as well and has some input. Fox is committed to a sophisticated rushing attack.

            Green did such a good job of blocking in 2011 and has such great receiving ability, I doubt if he is released even with the unfair suspension he will serve. There are few TEs who excel in both blocking and receiving. Thomas has upside, but an injury with surgery to rehab. Dreessen and Tamme seem very likely to make the team. These four would be my choice depending on J. Thomas' health.
            I agree it can happen. Also agree it is all speculation until we see some TC actions and preseason games.

            your list has us cutting..

            Three of these players
            Syd'Quan
            Carter
            Florence
            Bush (may make team as Safety)

            One of
            Ihenacho (was suppose to be good undrafted player iirc)
            Bruton (maybe both if we keep Bush as Safety and another CB on the list above)

            Also think that makes tough choices at RB.

            We know most likely 1-4 players will surprise and step up who we did not think would and will force their way onto the roster.

            Also know we probably have 0-3 injuries that will force us to keep people on the roster week 1-3 that can not play.

            All I am saying is only the ideal situation will make keeping 4 TEs easy. Not impossible but football is rarely ideal.
            Time to build on the win and grow the team from some solid play higher level of play

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            • #21
              I think with the system we had last year compared to what we will be moving into this year its hard to judge the younger pass-catchers because they simply weren't used as such.

              Everyone is going to look different with Manning throwing the ball even if he is at 80%
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              • #22
                Originally posted by IPICKEDYOUOFF View Post
                I think with the system we had last year compared to what we will be moving into this year its hard to judge the younger pass-catchers because they simply weren't used as such.

                Everyone is going to look different with Manning throwing the ball even if he is at 80%
                Good Post,i agree.

                I hope it works out like the vision i had in mind 2013 Superbowl Champs

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by BroncoSexyDaddy View Post
                  Good Post,i agree.

                  I hope it works out like the vision i had in mind 2013 Superbowl Champs
                  If what I have envisioned in my head came to be, this is going to be a real exciting year.

                  Realistically, the young players we have, have raw ability. You throw Manning in the mix and things can only get better. We have a once in a century opportunity, to have one of the all time greats come in and not only teach our young players, but showcase them. If Manning stays healthy which i'm assuming he will, even at 80% he is still going to do just fine for us.

                  If anything this is even more so the case with all of our young tight ends including Thomas and Green.

                  Strap on your seat belts, your gonna see a new Denver Broncos football team this year, on both sides of the ball.
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                  • #24
                    Just read Green is suspended for first four games on our yahoo team page.

                    Only way we DO NOT keep four TEs is if Green is released.
                    Time to build on the win and grow the team from some solid play higher level of play

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by samparnell View Post
                      If McCoy and Manning plan on using a lot of tight formations, they probably will keep four TEs. TEs are usually good ST players.
                      I think this is likely because they intend to use more 2 TE formations.

                      But, with Tamme & Dreesen both locks to make the team, that leaves only 2 roster spots for Cornelius Ingram, Virgil Green, Julius Thomas and Anthony Miller to fight over. You would think they will go with Green & Thomas, but last year they had only 3 TEs which would mean one of them would go.

                      Remember that not every position can have MORE roster spots than last year! They are already likely to carry 6 CBs and only 5 WRs because last year WR Eddie Royal was their KR and this year CB Omar Bolden is likely to be the KR.

                      If they keep 4 TEs then some other position has to lose a player. And it can't be CB or WR if what I've written is true (they won't keep fewer than 5 WRs obviously and adding a CB to last year's five would make it six).

                      They can't really keep fewer than 4 RBs since they get injured so often.

                      Last year they kept 7 LBs for 3 starting positions. Hard to see them cutting back there with D.J.'s suspension and having to carry him on the 53 man roster to start the season.

                      They kept 4 S's last year and probably will again. No way to cut back there.

                      They kept 10 DL for 4 positions last year including Ty Warren who was on IR all year. So, nine spots this year for 4 positions. Hard to cut back there either with only 5 backups in the entire rotation.

                      Something is going to have to give if they keep an extra CB and an extra TE this year, but I don't know what. You really can't skimp on big men on the OL or DL because they get hurt and you need to rotate them more frequently.

                      Champ Bailey doesn't come out of the game much, but DTs do.
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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by samparnell View Post
                        3 QB + 4 RB + 1 FB + 5 WR + 4 TE + 8 OL = 25 O

                        9 DB (4 S + 5 CB) + 7 LB + 9 DL = 25 D

                        1 LS + 1 P + 1 PK = 3 Specialists

                        ST are dominated by TE, FB, RB, DB and LB, especially coverage teams (i.e., Punt & Kickoff).

                        As far as specific players are concerned, let's let TC and preseason take place with the coaching staff deciding who makes the team. Except for the Option series, all of the rushing attack from 2011 will be back. Much of that was from tight formations. Manning has called plays from tight formations quite a bit as well and has some input. Fox is committed to a sophisticated rushing attack.

                        Green did such a good job of blocking in 2011 and has such great receiving ability, I doubt if he is released even with the unfair suspension he will serve. There are few TEs who excel in both blocking and receiving. Thomas has upside, but an injury with surgery to rehab. Dreessen and Tamme seem very likely to make the team. These four would be my choice depending on J. Thomas' health.
                        I'm not saying you're wrong, but the problem with this is that they probably need to add a CB to make 6 this season and deduct a WR (to make 5). Last year they only kept 6 WRs because of Eddie Royal being their KR. They needed 5 regular WRs plus Royal who was used mostly on Special Teams.

                        But, adding a CB (because Bolden is a CB/KR) PLUS adding an extra TE means they need to subtract somewhere else. And it's difficult to see where they subtract.

                        Can't dip below 5 WRs or 7 LBs or 8 OL or 9 DL. And they need at least 4 S's.

                        Where are they going to cut?

                        Normally one easy way out would be to go with only 2 QBs. That would be easy with Peyton Manning because he's hardly ever missed a game before his injury, but since they drafted Osweiler he obviously has to have a roster spot.

                        But, just as obviously, he can't possibly be the only backup QB if Manning is hurt.
                        Last edited by Cugel; 07-14-2012, 12:01 PM.
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                        • #27
                          The Broncos had four TEs in 2011: Fells, Rosario, Green and J.Thomas

                          25 + 25 + 3 = 53
                          Last edited by samparnell; 07-14-2012, 12:23 PM. Reason: spelling
                          "Stultum est timere quod vitare non potes." ~ Publilius Syrus

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                          • #28
                            Why do we have to keep no less than 9 Dlinemen?

                            Last year we really only had 6 used in our rotations
                            At end it was Ayers, Doom, and Hunter
                            And DT it is Bunk, Thomas, and McBean
                            Garland came in now and again

                            We could do 8 with Doom, Ayers, Jackson, and Hunter at end
                            With Bannon, Warren, Wolfe, and Vick at DT
                            Unless Silgia really is some sort of diamond in the rough (only reason we we would NEED 9 IMO) this would still give us a deeper rotation than last year with 8

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                            • #29
                              Equal numbers on both sides of the ball is just a guess. It could be 24 D and 26 O or the other way around.

                              Two deep on D is 22. Two deep plus one on DL is 9. Two deep plus one for the Backers is 7. Two deep plus one for the DBs is 9. That's 25 on D, but it could break down differently.

                              Kick returners are usually WRs, DBs or RBs. Omar Bolden, Eric Page and Coryell Judie were signed to compete at that spot. Willis, Decker and Ball are the only guys left who did KOR/PR in 2011. Willis and Ball will be fighting for a roster spot. Mike Adams returned a couple of Punts in 2011. Bolden was drafted and is highly regarded. Page has a slim chance of making the team as KR/WR; Judie even less as a KR/DB. There might be some other guys to do KOR/PR and the Broncos will need several.
                              "Stultum est timere quod vitare non potes." ~ Publilius Syrus

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