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    He's shown plenty of arm strength and an ability to bounce back after a hard hit. Now, Peyton Manning and the rest of the Denver Broncos' sputtering offense need to work out the kinks.

    In seven drives with Manning under center, they've scored just one touchdown and turned the ball over four times.

    ``We're just lucky it's preseason,'' wide receiver Brandon Stokley said. ``We'll get back to work and we'll work hard, like we've worked this whole offseason and training camp, and we'll get better.''

    The good news is that it's the offense that's flimsy, not his neck or arm.

    Manning is deciphering defenses as well as ever, getting the ball out as quickly as he always has and he almost always makes the right read. He's completed 67 percent of his passes and the Broncos (No. 10 in the AP Pro32) are moving the chains better than they ever did with Tim Tebow.

    Yet, there's still lots of work to do.

    Five months into his comeback in Colorado, Manning's timing with his targets isn't where he'd like it to be. And the three teammates he has the most rhythm with - wide receiver Eric Decker and former Colts teammates Stokley and Jacob Tamme - have all made big blunders in the Broncos' two preseason games.

    Stokley rounded out a route that led to an interception at the goal line in Chicago, and Decker and Tamme dropped passes that stalled a promising 2-minute drive inside the Seattle 10.

    ``It's frustrating not to be able to finish,'' Manning said.

    All three of his intended targets took the blame, as did tight end Joel Dreessen for a ball that sailed way over his head and was easily picked off by Seahawks safety Jeron Johnson.

    ``I've got to find a way to make that catch, honestly,'' Dreessen said. ``I kind of stuck my hand up there and I was like, `I don't know if I can reach it.' I looked like I gator-armed it.''

    Manning's other interception Saturday night came when left guard Zane Beadles failed to engage defensive end Red Bryant, who reached both hands up and deflected Manning's pass into the arms of linebacker K.J. Wright at the Seattle 9.

    Ever the gentleman, Manning upbraided only himself.

    ``At the end of the day, they're interceptions,'' Manning said. ``The quarterback signs the check on every ball he throws. There's an old saying that the most important part of every play is to possess the ball at the end of that play. That's the quarterback's job. I have to do a better job of that.''

    So for all those radio callers finding fault with Manning, he's with you.

    ``Two interceptions. Two in the red zone, two weeks in a row. Just can't have it,'' Manning said. ``Tipped balls, whatever it is. Can't have it. Got to find a way to protect the ball better, ensure we get some kind of points when we're down there in the red zone.''

    Coach John Fox appreciates that accountability.

    ``You get in that position and you get the fingers pointed at yourself when things don't go the right way, that's kind of the right way to point fingers,'' Fox said. ``And so, he gets that. I think that's who he is and that does help spread throughout the football team.''

    The Broncos (1-1) hope to clean things up Sunday night against San Francisco (1-1) in what is expected to be Manning's final dress rehearsal for the Sept. 9 opener against Pittsburgh.

    Despite all the hiccups, there are some positives as Manning makes his comeback from a nerve injury in his neck that sidelined him all of last season and led to his departure from Indianapolis in March: he's completed 20 of 30 passes for 221 yards and on Saturday night, he showed the no-huddle offense at altitude can be the Broncos' calling card.

    Manning played the entire first half and gave the Broncos a 10-9 lead at the break despite three turnovers. He looked great on a 2-minute drive, but that stalled when Tamme dropped a wide-open touchdown pass 6 seconds before halftime following a drop by Decker and a 15-yard penalty on center J.D. Walton.

    ``You try to get it out of your system before the season starts,'' Decker said. ``It's a good time to work out the kinks.''

    And to get the chemistry just right.

    ``It's still a work in progress,'' Stokley said. ``We know that, and we're working hard every day in practice trying to be perfect, and that's what good offenses do.

    ``It takes time. We're trying to get there.''

    Notes: The Broncos got a boost Monday when S Quinton Carter (knee, hamstring) practiced for the first time since July 27, rookie LB Danny Trevathan returned from a sprained ankle and CB Tracy Porter returned from an illness.

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    Originally posted by BroncoSexyDaddy View Post
    He's shown plenty of arm strength and an ability to bounce back after a hard hit. Now, Peyton Manning and the rest of the Denver Broncos' sputtering offense need to work out the kinks.

    In seven drives with Manning under center, they've scored just one touchdown and turned the ball over four times.

    ``We're just lucky it's preseason,'' wide receiver Brandon Stokley said. ``We'll get back to work and we'll work hard, like we've worked this whole offseason and training camp, and we'll get better.''

    The good news is that it's the offense that's flimsy, not his neck or arm.

    Manning is deciphering defenses as well as ever, getting the ball out as quickly as he always has and he almost always makes the right read. He's completed 67 percent of his passes and the Broncos (No. 10 in the AP Pro32) are moving the chains better than they ever did with Tim Tebow.

    Yet, there's still lots of work to do.

    Five months into his comeback in Colorado, Manning's timing with his targets isn't where he'd like it to be. And the three teammates he has the most rhythm with - wide receiver Eric Decker and former Colts teammates Stokley and Jacob Tamme - have all made big blunders in the Broncos' two preseason games.

    Stokley rounded out a route that led to an interception at the goal line in Chicago, and Decker and Tamme dropped passes that stalled a promising 2-minute drive inside the Seattle 10.

    ``It's frustrating not to be able to finish,'' Manning said.

    All three of his intended targets took the blame, as did tight end Joel Dreessen for a ball that sailed way over his head and was easily picked off by Seahawks safety Jeron Johnson.

    ``I've got to find a way to make that catch, honestly,'' Dreessen said. ``I kind of stuck my hand up there and I was like, `I don't know if I can reach it.' I looked like I gator-armed it.''

    Manning's other interception Saturday night came when left guard Zane Beadles failed to engage defensive end Red Bryant, who reached both hands up and deflected Manning's pass into the arms of linebacker K.J. Wright at the Seattle 9.

    Ever the gentleman, Manning upbraided only himself.

    ``At the end of the day, they're interceptions,'' Manning said. ``The quarterback signs the check on every ball he throws. There's an old saying that the most important part of every play is to possess the ball at the end of that play. That's the quarterback's job. I have to do a better job of that.''So for all those radio callers finding fault with Manning, he's with you.

    ``Two interceptions. Two in the red zone, two weeks in a row. Just can't have it,'' Manning said. ``Tipped balls, whatever it is. Can't have it. Got to find a way to protect the ball better, ensure we get some kind of points when we're down there in the red zone.''

    Coach John Fox appreciates that accountability.

    ``You get in that position and you get the fingers pointed at yourself when things don't go the right way, that's kind of the right way to point fingers,'' Fox said. ``And so, he gets that. I think that's who he is and that does help spread throughout the football team.''

    The Broncos (1-1) hope to clean things up Sunday night against San Francisco (1-1) in what is expected to be Manning's final dress rehearsal for the Sept. 9 opener against Pittsburgh.

    Despite all the hiccups, there are some positives as Manning makes his comeback from a nerve injury in his neck that sidelined him all of last season and led to his departure from Indianapolis in March: he's completed 20 of 30 passes for 221 yards and on Saturday night, he showed the no-huddle offense at altitude can be the Broncos' calling card.

    Manning played the entire first half and gave the Broncos a 10-9 lead at the break despite three turnovers. He looked great on a 2-minute drive, but that stalled when Tamme dropped a wide-open touchdown pass 6 seconds before halftime following a drop by Decker and a 15-yard penalty on center J.D. Walton.

    ``You try to get it out of your system before the season starts,'' Decker said. ``It's a good time to work out the kinks.''

    And to get the chemistry just right.

    ``It's still a work in progress,'' Stokley said. ``We know that, and we're working hard every day in practice trying to be perfect, and that's what good offenses do.

    ``It takes time. We're trying to get there.''

    Notes: The Broncos got a boost Monday when S Quinton Carter (knee, hamstring) practiced for the first time since July 27, rookie LB Danny Trevathan returned from a sprained ankle and CB Tracy Porter returned from an illness.

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    Man I love this quote from Manning. Lead by example and the rest will follow as my old football coach would say.
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    • #3
      A true Pro!! thats what makes him a HOF!!
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      • #4
        Its all about practice.. This is an entirely new offensive scheme for not only Denver but for Manning too. Once a rhythm is set and Manning gets adjusted to the speed of his recievers in gametime we'll be good.

        One thing is for certain. We can move the ball. If we have to rely on Prater's kicking then so be it. 3 points every time is better than punting thats for sure

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        • #5
          i see lots of the old PM and timing will come. also, ill take tipped int's over 8 balls a game smashing into the dirt or 6 ft over someones head anytime...

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          • #6
            No one is going to be perfect during the pre season... but it's nice to see how he approaches it.. I just think to that two minute drill against Seattle and how amazingly sharp it looked (tamme drop aside but you know what I mean) so much potential!

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            • #7
              Im not even worried about the Int's, just the way he marched down that field in the 2 min drill was enough for me. we only saw half of what he could have done in that game.. another 2 qtrs and we would have walked away with a "W"

              I feel that this team is on the verge of clicking and once that happens its game over!!
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              • #8
                I just love the idea of that fast pace, no huddle offence in the mile high air.

                Just have that defense exhausted and sucking for air.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Remedy View Post
                  No one is going to be perfect during the pre season... but it's nice to see how he approaches it.. I just think to that two minute drill against Seattle and how amazingly sharp it looked (tamme drop aside but you know what I mean) so much potential!
                  The 2-min drill was vintage PM, he looked much better then the stats indicated.

                  But still isn't where he needs to be quite yet.

                  But that's to be expected after missing 19 months.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by ERoyal248 View Post
                    The 2-min drill was vintage PM, he looked much better then the stats indicated.

                    But still isn't where he needs to be quite yet.

                    But that's to be expected after missing 19 months.
                    yep... kind of why I love the game day threads in pre-season. People melting down about things at this point kind of make me chuckle.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Remedy View Post
                      yep... kind of why I love the game day threads in pre-season. People melting down about things at this point kind of make me chuckle.
                      Me too, expecting him to be PM after a few preseason games or be near perfect is funny.

                      He's still showed a lot of signs that he's getting there but not quite yet. I'm sure people will do the same if he makes some mistakes against the best-D in football from last year on Sunday but what can ya do lol.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by elwayfanatic07 View Post
                        i see lots of the old PM and timing will come. also, ill take tipped int's over 8 balls a game smashing into the dirt or 6 ft over someones head anytime...
                        Do people just lose the sight of logic when trying to make a jab at a former player???

                        Because what you just said is you would rather have a QB throw a pick instead of an incomplete pass... Glad people think things through before posting them.

                        But anyways great to see Manning step up and I liked what I saw from the 2 minute drill and some of his passes, as it looked like most of the errant throws came from chemistry issues which will grow over time, so I'm not to worried right now.




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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by #87Birdman View Post
                          Do people just lose the sight of logic when trying to make a jab at a former player???

                          Because what you just said is you would rather have a QB throw a pick instead of an incomplete pass... Glad people think things through before posting them.

                          But anyways great to see Manning step up and I liked what I saw from the 2 minute drill and some of his passes, as it looked like most of the errant throws came from chemistry issues which will grow over time, so I'm not to worried right now.
                          Not trying to take a jab at anyone, but an intercpetion is usually just an incompletion. Sometimes interceptions can be devasting if they put the other team in a great scoring position or it is a pick 6. But otherwise it really is just an incompletion. One incompletion (int) is better than 8 incompletions. those 8 incompletions do more to hurt the team than the one interception.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by TheSheriff View Post
                            Not trying to take a jab at anyone, but an intercpetion is usually just an incompletion. Sometimes interceptions can be devasting if they put the other team in a great scoring position or it is a pick 6. But otherwise it really is just an incompletion. One incompletion (int) is better than 8 incompletions. those 8 incompletions do more to hurt the team than the one interception.
                            Giving the ball to the other team is never worse than 6 incompletions. You could still score on a drive that has 6 incompletions, you can't still score on a drive that has an INT. Ask any QB if they throw a ball would they rather have an incompletion or a Pick. I'm pretty sure everyone will say an incompletion, live to play another down. You lose that when you throw a pick. Because as we have seen the last 2 weeks picks have taken points off of our score. Redzone picks are bad. Heck three incompletions in the redzone are better than a pick. The pick takes a chance at points off the board, so no picks are not better than incompletions ever. (well unless the guys picks it off then runs the wrong way and takes a safety, but I don't see that happening)




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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by #87Birdman View Post
                              Giving the ball to the other team is never worse than 6 incompletions. You could still score on a drive that has 6 incompletions, you can't still score on a drive that has an INT. Ask any QB if they throw a ball would they rather have an incompletion or a Pick. I'm pretty sure everyone will say an incompletion, live to play another down. You lose that when you throw a pick. Because as we have seen the last 2 weeks picks have taken points off of our score. Redzone picks are bad. Heck three incompletions in the redzone are better than a pick. The pick takes a chance at points off the board, so no picks are not better than incompletions ever. (well unless the guys picks it off then runs the wrong way and takes a safety, but I don't see that happening)
                              You're at the 50 yard line. It's 3rd & 10. Qb A throws an Interception at the 15 yard line. Qb B throws an incompletion. Drive ends in different ways, but the result is the same. Now on the next few drives, Qb A puts up points on multiple drives because he's completing passes. QB B on the other hand doesn't put up any points because his constant incompletions kill multiple drives. I'd take Qb A all day.

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