Manning Points the finger at himself

[ERoyal248]

Giving the ball to the other team is never worse than 6 incompletions. You could still score on a drive that has 6 incompletions, you can't still score on a drive that has an INT. Ask any QB if they throw a ball would they rather have an incompletion or a Pick. I'm pretty sure everyone will say an incompletion, live to play another down. You lose that when you throw a pick. Because as we have seen the last 2 weeks picks have taken points off of our score. Redzone picks are bad. Heck three incompletions in the redzone are better than a pick. The pick takes a chance at points off the board, so no picks are not better than incompletions ever. (well unless the guys picks it off then runs the wrong way and takes a safety, but I don't see that happening)

The INT depends where you are at.

Let's say you are at midfield, throw a deep pass, picked off at the 5-10 yd line. That's pretty much like a great punt, doesn't hurt much at all.

[#87Birdman]

You're at the 50 yard line. It's 3rd & 10. Qb A throws an Interception at the 15 yard line. Qb B throws an incompletion. Drive ends in different ways, but the result is the same. Now on the next few drives, Qb A puts up points on multiple drives because he's completing passes. QB B on the other hand doesn't put up any points because his constant incompletions kill multiple drives. I'd take Qb A all day.

So what if senarios those end well.

QB A goes 16-24 (8 incompletions still 66%) 3 TD's 208 yards no INTs.

QB B goes 23-24 2TDs 299 yards 1 INT

I take QB A in this situation yards mean nothing without points. and 3 TD's are better than 2 with an INT that stalled a drive. Yes very rarely there are picks that don't mean anything like a hailmary, but there is a reason that teams that win the turnover battle tend to win games.

I pretty sure turnover margin is a bigger key to games than completion percentage, but I may be wrong. O and last year when the broncos were winning it was because we didn't turn the ball over.

But I still feel safe that Manning will shake the rust off and build the chemistry up with the receivers and hopefully we have a better season than last year.

[#87Birdman]

The INT depends where you are at.

Let's say you are at midfield, throw a deep pass, picked off at the 5-10 yd line. That's pretty much like a great punt, doesn't hurt much at all.

unless it is late and you can go all four down because you need points to win, and that ends the game because of 1 pick.

[ERoyal248]

unless it is late and you can go all four down because you need points to win, and that ends the game because of 1 pick.

True, but i doubt they try to throw a deep pass when you have 2 chances for a new set of downs.

[#87Birdman]

True, but i doubt they try to throw a deep pass when you have 2 chances for a new set of downs.

I'm just saying that INT are worse than incompletions which is where this whole thing started. Yes very rare cases are they are equal, but is there a time where an INT is better than an incompletion??

[TheSheriff]

So what if senarios those end well.

QB A goes 16-24 (8 incompletions still 66%) 3 TD's 208 yards no INTs.

QB B goes 23-24 2TDs 299 yards 1 INT

I take QB A in this situation yards mean nothing without points. and 3 TD's are better than 2 with an INT that stalled a drive. Yes very rarely there are picks that don't mean anything like a hailmary, but there is a reason that teams that win the turnover battle tend to win games.

I pretty sure turnover margin is a bigger key to games than completion percentage, but I may be wrong. O and last year when the broncos were winning it was because we didn't turn the ball over.

But I still feel safe that Manning will shake the rust off and build the chemistry up with the receivers and hopefully we have a better season than last year.

Let's just use the real qbs since we both know who we're talking about lol.
Tebow typically goes 9/20 (45%) and say he throws 1 TD, 0 Int. His team puts up 10 points and wins the game 10-7.
Manning will go 22/33 (66%) and say he throws 2TD, 1 Int. His team puts up 26 points and wins the game 26-23.

There was a game against the ravens in 2009, where Manning went 22/31 (71%) 1td, 2int, 299 yards. colts won 17-15. Those two picks were not good, but if peyton had thrown 1td, 0 int and had gone 14/31 because he couldn't complete passes, colts aren't winning that game since there not getting even close to the redzone.

You need to throw the ball a lot and accurately to win most of the time, because that puts up points. You'll take a pick or 2 if you're putting up 27+ points, because you'll have a better shot at winning. If you have a qb who isn't throwing picks, but isn't completing many passes either, you're not going to be putting up many points, and you'll have a better shot at losing.

Now tony romo against the lions last year would rather have had incompletions against throwing those 3 picks in the 2nd half that cost them the game even with a huge lead.

Just saying that throwing picks is not always the worst thing. It depends when you throw the pick. I don't think anyone can say that the majority of the time, i'll take a lot of incompletions over one pick. Those incompletions usually are costing you far more points, than the one pick would.

[TheSheriff]

I'm just saying that INT are worse than incompletions which is where this whole thing started. Yes very rare cases are they are equal, but is there a time where an INT is better than an incompletion??

I think you misunderstood the person you first responded to. He wasn't comparing throwing one pick to one incompletion. He was saying that it was refreshing to see a qb who could complete most of his passes and doesn't mind the one tipped interception, because it's a lot better than tebow who could rarely complete a pass. Tebow wasn't throwing interceptions but he wasn't moving the ball either.

Again, not hating on tebow.

[kevlar441]

no one is going to be perfect during the pre season... But it's nice to see how he approaches it.. i just think to that two minute drill against seattle and how amazingly sharp it looked (tamme drop aside but you know what i mean) so much potential!

That was vintage Peyton F. Manning!

im not even worried about the int's, just the way he marched down that field in the 2 min drill was enough for me. We only saw half of what he could have done in that game.. another 2 qtrs and we would have walked away with a "w"

i feel that this team is on the verge of clicking and once that happens its game over!!

People tend to forget that, even after all the adversity, the Broncos were ahead at Halftime (and Peyton was just getting warmed up).

I just love the idea of that fast pace, no huddle offence in the mile high air.

Just have that defense exhausted and sucking for air.

One of the coolest things about Peyton is that he can stretch out a drive, exhausting the opposing Defense while giving ours a rest, then virtually score at will.

yep... Kind of why i love the game day threads in pre-season. people melting down about things at this point kind of make me chuckle.

This pre-season is much sweeter than those in the recent past. McDaniels is gone (along with the "spy-gate 2" thing). The fans that couldn't stand Cutler and Marshall are thinking about other things. The Orton supporters are all but gone and the circus surrounding Tebow has left town. What we seem to have left are rabid Bronco fans craving anything Bronco related and itching for the season to start. I'm sure the experienced Mods are as ecstatic as I am about that.

From my vantage point the conversations are much more civil, classier and the character assassinations are almost completely gone. That, alone, is something to cheer about.