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    And on the final day of training camp, John Fox showed mercy.

    The Broncos coach was a tough son of a gun throughout, ordering his players to practice in pads nearly every morning workout for the past 2½ weeks.

    All along, Fox knew where the finish line was. And only he knew it was placed a little shorter than scheduled. Fox canceled the Thursday evening walk-through.

    Go home, guys. Players were able to check out of the team hotel by early Thursday afternoon and sleep in their own beds Thursday night.

    "It has been a physical camp," said Broncos quarterback Peyton Manning, who has been going to NFL training camps since his boss, John Elway, was a quarterback in 1998. "We are in full pads just about every day, which certainly can take a toll physically on players, but guys have pushed and worked through that. It's the only way to really get a real idea of what kind of team you are going to have and how guys hold up in full contact."

    There were some consequences. Dan Koppen, called in to replace the injured J.D. Walton at starting center, suffered a season-ending torn anterior cruciate ligament.

    "That was a kick in the stomach," Fox said. "You occasionally have those."

    Indeed, in the final camp practice Thursday, running back C.J. Anderson went down with a right knee injury. One of the camp surprises who likely had earned a spot on the 53-man roster, Anderson will be out four to six weeks with a sprained medial collateral ligament.

    To replace Koppen, the Broncos called in veteran offensive lineman Ryan Lilja, from retirement. Although Anderson's injury was not as serious as feared, the timing of it might allow the ever-dependable Lance Ball to become the No. 5 back behind Ronnie Hillman, Montee Ball, Knowshon Moreno and Jacob Hester.

    "It's been a good camp," said Elway, the Broncos' executive vice president of football operations. "It will be a good test for us this weekend in Seattle. I think we got better."

    All that pad popping in practice had its benefits. Specifically, the physicality helped reveal an undrafted second-year strong safety named Duke Ihenacho.

    The good and the bad of the Broncos' training camp:

    The good: "Highlight of training camp?" cornerback Champ Bailey said in repeating the question. "It's hard not to say something about this guy."

    Sitting in front of him was Ihenacho. As a rookie last year, the San Jose State product spent 13 weeks on the Broncos' practice squad. Two weeks into his second professional camp, Ihenacho replaced veteran Mike Adams as Rahim Moore's starting safety partner.

    Adams remains the Broncos' top backup safety, and he will come in on nickel situations. But Ihenacho will stay in, too.

    "Duke surprised most people. Not me, really," Bailey said. "Even last year, you could see this guy could play, but he's young, trying to find his way. But once OTAs (organized team activities) hit? You could see his confidence. Aggression. Playmaking."

    Camp also might have elevated No. 3 quarterback Zac Dysert, a seventh-round rookie, from the practice squad to the 53-man roster, and second-year defensive tackle Malik Jackson from seldom-used to the No. 1 nickel package. And don't count out undrafted rookie linebacker Lerentee McCray.

    In the final week of camp, Manning and a new slot receiver named Wes Welker connected for several nice completions.

    The bad: There were a high ankle sprain to cornerback Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie and knee injuries to tight end Joel Dreessen, safety Quinton Carter and running back Moreno.

    More worrisome was how a double dose of off-field trouble for star linebacker Von Miller might leak into on-field problems. Disciplined by the league for violating its drug policy, Miller will appeal his four-game suspension Tuesday.

    His recent arrest on a warrant for failing to appear in court regarding traffic violations does not figure to bring additional punishment from the NFL, but it won't help gain sympathy points in his appeal process.

    There is hope Miller's suspension could be reduced, but the Broncos understand they might well have to play the Baltimore Ravens, New York Giants, Oakland Raiders and Philadelphia Eagles without their best pass rusher. And their former second-best pass rusher, Elvis Dumervil, is now playing for the Ravens.

    "It's bad enough losing Elvis, but you've got to get past that and we've got some guys who can play," Bailey said. "The thought of losing Von scares me, but we've got to find a way."

    Mike Klis: 303-954-1055, [email protected] or twitter.com/mikeklis




    he states we might keep Ball now that Anderson went down. Mike Adams is now the #1 Safety to come in on nickel package, as well Malik. He also states we might keep Dysert on the 53 man roster as the #3 QB.

    This is interesting to me. If we keep 4 RB and 1Fb and a 3rd QB, there will be many players we like cut.
    Last edited by LegionOfVonDoom; 08-17-2013, 07:43 AM.

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    We better not keep 3 QBS. That's be stupid and pointless , I really hope Anderson makes the final roster he's a stud

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Ehveek03 View Post
      We better not keep 3 QBS. That's be stupid and pointless , I really hope Anderson makes the final roster he's a stud
      I doubt Anderson makes final roster with his injury. Hopefully they can stash him on the PS and then move him to the 53 if needed once healthy.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by LegionOfVonDoom View Post
        I doubt Anderson makes final roster with his injury. Hopefully they can stash him on the PS and then move him to the 53 if needed once healthy.
        This is exactly what I think as well.
        Go Broncos!!!:thumb:

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        • #5
          Originally posted by azfanz
          Yes, in a league where QB is by far the most important roster spot - the one position that consistently means the difference between the contenders and the mediocre - it is "beyond retarded" to develop young QBs who have shown potential in camp. Even if it means a future trade for high draft choices, by all means, don't develop those young, talented QBs.
          Yes it is dumb to keep 3 QBs when it's probably going to cost us a more talented player then dysert on the 53
          A healthy Kenneth Dixon is a top 5 NFL RB.

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          • #6
            Dysert should go to the Practice Squad IMO. Carrying a 3rd QB is just a waste of a roster spot. He's not going to get near the field... That space would be more effective keeping an extra DB or DL

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            • #7
              Originally posted by crash123go View Post
              Yes it is dumb to keep 3 QBs when it's probably going to cost us a more talented player then dysert on the 53
              Last year they kept manning, Os, and hanie. 2011, they kept tebow, Orton, and Quinn. I expect them to keep 3 again.
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              • #8
                Originally posted by crash123go View Post
                Yes it is dumb to keep 3 QBs when it's probably going to cost us a more talented player then dysert on the 53
                More talented, as in a Lance Ball, or a Chris Clark, journeymen career backups? I just want to make sure I'm understanding this.
                Last edited by azfanz; 08-17-2013, 12:43 PM.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by azfanz View Post
                  More talented...as in a Lance Ball, or a Chris Clark, journeyman career backup? I just want to make sure I'm understanding this.
                  No.

                  Maybe the difference between carrying 10 or 11 DB's.

                  Or McCray who has impressed. Or CJ Anderson. Or another WR like Robinson or Orton. Or an extra DL like Beal, Siliga, Fuga, etc.

                  Absolutely zero reason to carry 3 QB's, none. Dysert is a career backup.

                  Makes zero sense.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by azfanz View Post
                    More talented...as in a Lance Ball, or a Chris Clark, journeyman career backup? I just want to make sure I'm understanding this.
                    There are more talented guys that could be cut like cj Anderson, quinton carter, or maybe one of our TE's. what has dysert shown that shows he can truly be a franchise quarterback in this league?

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by cdumler7 View Post
                      There are more talented guys that could be cut like cj Anderson, quinton carter, or maybe one of our TE's. what has dysert shown that shows he can truly be a franchise quarterback in this league?
                      Well, from what I've heard, he's shown enough development in his few short months as a Bronco that he's going to get a long look before they risk putting him on waivers for a spot on the PS. Consider that Cassel and Kevin Kolb were traded for 2nd round picks and a player (Vrable and DRC respectively). It's a quarterback league.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by ERoyal248 View Post
                        No.

                        Maybe the difference between carrying 10 or 11 DB's.

                        Or McCray who has impressed. Or CJ Anderson. Or another WR like Robinson or Orton. Or an extra DL like Beal, Siliga, Fuga, etc.

                        Absolutely zero reason to carry 3 QB's, none. Dysert is a career backup.

                        Makes zero sense.
                        11 DBs won't happen.
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                        • #13
                          Keeping Dysart on the active roster instead of the PS would be a mistake

                          We have too much talent to mess up and cut someone for just about no reason

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by broncos SB2010 View Post
                            Last year they kept manning, Os, and hanie. 2011, they kept tebow, Orton, and Quinn. I expect them to keep 3 again.
                            They kept 3 last year because of the uncertainty of OZ but now that he has shown he is the talent they expected him to be why waste the roster spot on a guy that isn't going to be active a single game. It all depends if they want a extra player at another position who has shown more then dysert who has looked like dirt so far
                            A healthy Kenneth Dixon is a top 5 NFL RB.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by azfanz View Post
                              More talented, as in a Lance Ball, or a Chris Clark, journeymen career backups? I just want to make sure I'm understanding this.
                              No like a Quinton carter, Greg orton or lerentee McCray. Guys who have shown good talent but are buried at deep positions.
                              A healthy Kenneth Dixon is a top 5 NFL RB.

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