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  • The Week in Overreactions: Peyton Manning, cold-weather QB

    A great article on Peyton and the cold weather monkey that everyone claims is on his back. Great read, enjoy.

    Didn't see it posted yet.

    http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on-...coldweather-qb
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    There was a time when the Broncos welcomed cold and/or snowy weather. They will again ... real soon.
    "Stultum est timere quod vitare non potes." ~ Publilius Syrus

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    • #3
      The stat below completely confirms the so called "Manning cold weather myth". Nobody is trying to throw Manning under the bus or downplay his abilities as a QB but if you can't admit he has issues in cold weather, you are just kidding yourself.

      Manning completes just 60 percent of his throws when the temperature is 40 or below. And in only those games where temperatures were at or below freezing, his completion percentage drops to 41 percent and his QB rating dips to 70.7 (compared to 84.0 when it's 40 or below).
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      • #4
        He'll get better with experience. :thumb:
        "Stultum est timere quod vitare non potes." ~ Publilius Syrus

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        • #5
          Originally posted by DarkHorse26 View Post
          The stat below completely confirms the so called "Manning cold weather myth". Nobody is trying to throw Manning under the bus or downplay his abilities as a QB but if you can't admit he has issues in cold weather, you are just kidding yourself.
          Doog will dismiss these facts because Peyton is flawless and Denver is unbeatable under any circumstance this year.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by samparnell View Post
            He'll get better with experience. :thumb:
            Unlike his fans, I guarantee Manning realizes this as a weakness and is doing everything in his power to improve upon it. I just hope Decker or DT tape this article inside his locker as a little extra motivation.
            Last edited by DarkHorse26; 12-03-2013, 06:58 PM.
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            • #7
              Originally posted by RandomVariable View Post
              Doog will dismiss these facts because Peyton is flawless and Denver is unbeatable under any circumstance this year.
              No I won't, because those stats speak the truth. Individual statistics show what a player is often producing.

              W-L records show what a team is producing.

              You will also notice Manning's completion percentage in December and the Playoffs overall are higher than Brady's; so his is QBR/Rating. Why then the differences in W-L? The teams they've had.

              Brady is better, on average, in terribly cold weather. There is no question about that, but the sub-freezing temperatures only make up about 1/8 of the season. He's clearly less than Manning the rest of the time (and thus, less of a QB overall). But that's the exception - nearly every QB gets substantially worse in cold weather. Manning simply isn't used to the cold weather (Brady played college ball in Michigan, whereas Manning played in the SEC - nuff said); but that's not really something he could have corrected over his career playing for the Vols and Colts.

              Peyton has fewer flaws than Brady, but I never said he was flawless. Go ahead and show my posts where I said that, and I'll back you. Also, show me where I said Denver is unbeatable under any circumstance. If you can, again, I'll back you. They are just the team least likely to be beat, because they have the best team in football.

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                Originally posted by DarkHorse26 View Post
                Unlike his fans, I guarantee Manning realizes this as a weakness and is doing everything in his power to improve upon it. I just hope Decker or DT tape this article inside his locker as a little extra motivation.
                The guy grew up in New Orleans, played college ball in Knoxville, Tennessee and played in a building in the NFL. This is his second year in Denver. He's working on it.
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Doogansquest View Post
                  No I won't, because those stats speak the truth. Individual statistics show what a player is often producing.

                  W-L records show what a team is producing.

                  You will also notice Manning's completion percentage in December and the Playoffs overall are higher than Brady's; so his is QBR/Rating. Why then the differences in W-L? The teams they've had.

                  Brady is better, on average, in terribly cold weather. There is no question about that, but the sub-freezing temperatures only make up about 1/8 of the season. He's clearly less than Manning the rest of the time (and thus, less of a QB overall). But that's the exception - nearly every QB gets substantially worse in cold weather. Manning simply isn't used to the cold weather (Brady played college ball in Michigan, whereas Manning played in the SEC - nuff said); but that's not really something he could have corrected over his career playing for the Vols and Colts.

                  Peyton has fewer flaws than Brady, but I never said he was flawless. Go ahead and show my posts where I said that, and I'll back you. Also, show me where I said Denver is unbeatable under any circumstance. If you can, again, I'll back you. They are just the team least likely to be beat, because they have the best team in football.
                  No sane analyst or fan (outside of Denver/Indy) would claim that Manning is a better playoff QB or would rather have him on their team over Brady. Feel free to conduct a study by asking this question on other forums.

                  Brady has had slightly better defenses in his career, but Manning has had better receivers overall. His superior supporting cast on offense is the reason for his inflated stats.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by RandomVariable View Post
                    No sane analyst or fan (outside of Denver/Indy) would claim that Manning is a better playoff QB or would rather have him on their team over Brady. Feel free to conduct a study by asking this question on other forums.

                    Brady has had slightly better defenses in his career, but Manning has had better receivers overall. His superior supporting cast on offense is the reason for his inflated stats.
                    Welker, Hernandez, Gronk, Lloyd among others, with superior OL/run game/defense more than even out the weapons which isnt that big of a difference.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by samparnell View Post
                      The guy grew up in New Orleans, played college ball in Knoxville, Tennessee and played in a building in the NFL. This is his second year in Denver. He's working on it.
                      Totally understandable, which explains why Brady plays better in freezing weather having played in Michigan and New England. I just hope Fox and company come up with new ways to help him get acclimated sooner than later.
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by RandomVariable View Post
                        No sane analyst or fan (outside of Denver/Indy) would claim that Manning is a better playoff QB or would rather have him on their team over Brady. Feel free to conduct a study by asking this question on other forums.
                        I guess Super Bowl winning coaches Don Shula and Joe Gibbs just don't know as much about football as you, since they both took Manning over Brady.

                        I guess the the hundreds of coaches, players and analysts who voted on the NFL Top 100 Players of All Time list and had Manning in the top ten at #8 and Brady at #21 aren't sane and just lack your football knowledge.

                        Alas.
                        Last edited by Hanzo the Razor; 12-03-2013, 08:45 PM.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by DarkHorse26 View Post
                          Totally understandable, which explains why Brady plays better in freezing weather having played in Michigan and New England. I just hope Fox and company come up with new ways to help him get acclimated sooner than later.
                          It's just gonna be by experience. The more he plays in it the better he'll get in it. His blood will thicken up on it's own.
                          Last edited by elecshoc; 12-03-2013, 08:50 PM.

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                          • #14
                            Of course, the flip side of this is that it is much colder in Denver than it is in Seattle during the winter... Manning and company will have a nice stretch of home games to get used to the frigid temps while the average temperature in Seattle winters tends to be in the high 30s and 40s in December.

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                            • #15
                              The facts are obscured. You must factor in the home games vs the road games. Most of Brady's cold weather games have been at home, while up until a year ago, all of Manning's cold weather games have been on the road. It is tough to win on the road in the NFL without the weather playing a factor.
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