Peyton becomes best QB ever if he wins Super Bowl

[Emily Diana]

Some of us believe he already is. With that said....

Paige: Peyton Manning becomes best QB ever if he wins Super Bowl

"With a victory in the Super Bowl, Peyton no longer is The Manning Who Would Be King.

Crown him. Peyton's Peak will be a mile high.

Move over, Pike. Say it's so, Joe. Accept it, Dan, Brett & Bart, Tom & Terry, Slingin' Sammy and Automatic Otto and John Elway and Johnny Unitas.

If Manning and the Broncos win, No. 18, all things considered, will be the No. 1 quarterback in the history of the NFL.

The argument should end." ...

http://www.denverpost.com/paige/ci_24993699/woody-paige-peyton-manning-becomes-best-qb-ever

[HUMCALC]

Not IMO. The last couple years he's played in the NFL where defenses have been handicapped by what they can do

[KoolBreeze]

He already is, even if he doesn't ever complete another pass.

[RealBronco]

I always have a hard time with season or career stats when comparing QBs. For me, the penultimate reason to play football is to win, and to win championships. There's no doubt Peyton is the greatest QB of all time statistically and for anyone who has had the privilege of watching him play, we can understand why. Later generations may not understand just how great he is.

However, since the Lombardi Trophy is something everyone strives for, where does that factor in to a player's "greatness"?

Bradshaw has 4 rings, yet he's often degraded and discounted and often not included in the discussion of "great quarterbacks." This is no doubt due to the defense that Pittsburgh had during the years Terry played his ball there. Without that defense, Terry probably has zero rings. I believe the same can be said for Peyton's little brother.

But where do guys like Montana and Brady fit? Brady has been to as many SBs as Elway, and he's won one more than John (this will always bother me, as I believe John was a much better QB).

Then you have the poor guys like Marino fit in who never won a championship? Rivers is well on his way to failing at that as well, yet he's statistically a very good QB. What about Favre? Why does he get to be so great when he's 1-1 in Super Bowls and failed to appear ever again after those early ones when he was younger? Obviously we know he holds a lot of records (it helps when you play until you're 90 years old...) and he was an incredibly athletic and dynamic player.

So... for a guy who is currently 1-1 in Super Bowls, (hopefully soon to be 2-1), why does he get to be the GOAT over the likes of Montana and Unitas or Starr?


^These are just general questions that are good to ask when considering the criteria for "greatest of all time." But I think people have different criteria, or they come to similar conclusions in different manners.

Maybe it's measured by this sentence: "There will never be another player like _____" and for Peyton Manning, that will always be true.

[MHSalute]

I believe wins are a team category. Manning can't be held responsible for a missed kick by Vanderjack (sp), or Rahim taking an incredible bad angle in last years playoff loss. I think what defines a great QB is getting the most out of their supporting cast...Manning does this like no other. It is not the system with him, it is him.

One of the reason I loved Elway, was his ability to get the most out of his cast. No one can say the three amigos can even slightly compare to DT, Decker, Welker in terms of talent. However, Elway, more than any QB I ever saw, carried teams on his back. I have always said Elway on SF for 10 years wins 5 SBs...he wasn't, but that does not make him any less great.

We are blessed as fans to be able to root for both guys in Orange and enjoy the trips to the big game.

[dizzolve]

I always have a hard time with season or career stats when comparing QBs. For me, the penultimate reason to play football is to win, and to win championships. There's no doubt Peyton is the greatest QB of all time statistically and for anyone who has had the privilege of watching him play, we can understand why. Later generations may not understand just how great he is.

However, since the Lombardi Trophy is something everyone strives for, where does that factor in to a player's "greatness"?

The NFL game is also the penultimate 'team sport'. The real issue we struggle with is that when comparing single players in a team sport - you really can't have championships as such a parameter. Unless the fault can be laid squarely on the player- it shouldn't be about championships.

I believe losing Championship games could lose the GOAT status - but it cannot win it. Depends on the personal stats during those games.

Manning is the best ever right now. Especially after last regular season

[cmm4191]

Not IMO. The last couple years he's played in the NFL where defenses have been handicapped by what they can do

so has every other Qb in the nfl and none have put up peytons numbers . in 2004 when he broke the records also the rules were much different ten years ago defenders could hit a defenseless receiver going over the middle and break up passes by laying big hits after the catch

[chad72]

To me, when 2 QBs have similar number of championships in terms of SB wins, the regular season accomplishments can be a tie-breaker

When 2 QBs have similar regular season accomplishments, number of SB rings can be a tie-breaker.

Things have to be considered in totality. Having multiple SB rings does take you from a top 10 conversation to a top 5 conversation if you have the regular season accolades that Peyton and Brady have (or any other QB, for that matter), IMO.

[Chillez]

I like Manning a lot but if Broncos win on Sunday Manning moves to #2 on my list. I give Montana the slight edge due to bring 4-0 in SB with 12 TD-0 INT. That's crazy impressive and flat out domination on the games biggest stage. Manning will have a solid case for GOAT title with a win against Seattle, he will easily be greatest of his generation over Brady for me anyway.

[tonray]

What is scenario :

What if Manning plays a crappy game ? unforced picks, etc etc....BUT the Broncos defense steps up and we win anyway....based upon current pundit talk...he should be given credit....but guess what...nothing Manning does is enough for the jealous fools out there....like Dan Fouts....he hates Manning...Phil Simms also, the only ex QB who already has admitted he is the GOAT is Dan Marino...because he knows the big game is not entirely under the QBs control.

I have watched Manning his entire career, and I will give him a pass on just 75% of his playoff losses...he did nothing to cause the loss....the other 25% maybe on him and the Superbowl against NO...he rushed his throw and ended with a pick 6....so I am being very fair....he didn't miss field goals, he didn't cover Joe Flacco's receivers...etc etc....

[Steamboat7]

I have watched Manning his entire career, and I will give him a pass on just 75% of his playoff losses...he did nothing to cause the loss....the other 25% maybe on him and the Superbowl against NO...he rushed his throw and ended with a pick 6....so I am being very fair....he didn't miss field goals, he didn't cover Joe Flacco's receivers...etc etc....

Maybe not. Reggie Wayne was injured in that game and did not play well. On that particular play, Reggie should be coming back to the ball more aggressively. If he does, it's probably at worst just an incompletion.

[HUMCALC]

Manning will never crack my top 2

[Steamboat7]

Manning will never crack my top 2

You are welcome to your opinion. Regardless of rule changes, only four times in the history of the NFL has a QB thrown for 48 or more TD's in a season...............and Peyton has done it TWICE and on different teams!

[AllEyezOnZach27]

Manning will never crack my top 2

Care to share with us who those players are and why?

[FL BRONCO]

Maybe he enters the talk if he wins this year and next. IF PFM wins this year he will have won with 2 different teams, that is true. But when you go to a better team that is not such a big thing. The talking heads are making a bunch of hype about it but I don't see it that way. It is not like he is taking the Jaguars there. He has been surrounded by a lot of talent. Had JE been on the 49ers, he probably has more rings then Joe got. I think if PFM wins his 2nd he will go down as one of the best but there are a few qb's who have won 2 or more SB's that should also be in that discussion.