Ronnie Hillman drawing raves from Broncos coaches

[Garfield]

I don't know if you have much experience in football or the weight room but it takes YEARS to build muscle the RIGHT WAY. It also takes years to learn the right things about football and maybe Hillman thought like a lot of fans that Ayers isn't exactly a fountain of NFL experience, talent or knowledge.

Id also like to see a link where ayers said this cause I don't remember seeing or hearing that at all until a month ago.

When a four year vet that was used as a strong rotational guy especially in run defense you listen as a newbie.
That is unless you are to arrogant to do so.

[crash123go]

The age thing again.

He had a full year going into last year to spend in the weight room did. It seem to help him

Ayers commented at one point he was trying to give adivse to him and the PR. Guy that is gone.

He said he was telling them from a defensive players standpoint. And he just walked away indifferent to his problem.

I don't know if you have much experience in football or the weight room but it takes YEARS to build muscle the RIGHT WAY. It also takes years to learn the right things about football and maybe Hillman thought like a lot of fans that Ayers isn't exactly a fountain of NFL experience, talent or knowledge.

Id also like to see a link where ayers said this cause I don't remember seeing or hearing that at all until a month ago.

[Garfield]

This hand size thing is bs, lesean mccoy hands are .2 inches larger and he had 1 fumble last season. Darren sproles has 8 inch hands, half an inch smaller than Hillman. It's all about his functional strength and since he came in so young he was so far behind in the weight room

The age thing again.

He had a full year going into last year to spend in the weight room did. It seem to help him

Ayers commented at one point he was trying to give adivse to him and the PR. Guy that is gone.

He said he was telling them from a defensive players standpoint. And he just walked away indifferent to his problem and even bigger the help ayers was trying to give.

[samparnell]

This hand size thing is bs, lesean mccoy hands are .2 inches larger and he had 1 fumble last season. Darren sproles has 8 inch hands, half an inch smaller than Hillman. It's all about his functional strength and since he came in so young he was so far behind in the weight room

It's always nice to hear some facts relevant to the conversation. Thanks.

[beastlyskronk]

Overall you may be corret.

I just do not see that Hillman as we speak adds anything that Ball and CJ does not already do.

I have not heard or better yet seen that Hillman is a better receiver than Ball and CJ and we have not even added in all of the UDFAs in the stable, to the conversation.

Add in that Hillman was a speed bump last year in pass protect causes me to wonder how he will make the team, he is lighter than Fox likes for his RB's does not help him.

Regardless of Studesvilles comments about his attitude (which stunk last year) being better this year, size (overall and hands) causes me to believe he will NOT be a member of this team going forward.

Hillman's hand are SUPPOSEDLY smaller than average and one of the reasons he has had a tough time NOT BEING stripped.

Now that may not be true but odds are his butter fingers are a combination of that and defenders knowing he coughs it up will cause him to lose his job in Denver.

This hand size thing is bs, lesean mccoy hands are .2 inches larger and he had 1 fumble last season. Darren sproles has 8 inch hands, half an inch smaller than Hillman. It's all about his functional strength and since he came in so young he was so far behind in the weight room

[MegaOrange]

I think the Broncos are going to go with an old skool style of three RB rotation.

In my earliest memories of the NFL, the three-headed backfield was both prevalent and successful: the '72 Dolphins had Larry Csonka, Mercury Morris and Jim Kiick, the 70's Steelers had Franco Harris, Rocky Bleir and Frenchy Fuqua, the 70's Raiders had fullback Mark van Eeghan, Clearance Davis and Pete Banaszk, and the early 70's Cowboys had two sets, the '71 'Boys had Duane Thomas, Calvin Hill, Dan Reeves (our former coach) and Walt Garrison, and the late 70's version had Tony Dorsett, Preston Pearson and fullback Robert Newhouse.

BTW, those were all great teams for the ages

Now, that is not to say the Broncos backfield is on that level, but legitimately the most promising and exciting thing for me is how the Broncos three backs fit together. I think Ball, Hillman and Anderson all have the potential to add something really strong to the running game. If Ball can be good between the tackles, Hillman is at times a really good receiver and CJ Anderson has that low center-of-gravity, bowling ball style than can be dominant.

Can't wait to see how it all plays out.

I don't see this at all or even possible in our offense. We may run more but we're not going to get away from a high pace offense. Our whole premise is quick pace to try to limit subs which is limiting rotations. If we sub guys we then have to slow play and let the D sub. Barring injury/poor play(fumbles) my bet is the Broncos try their best to settle in on one primary back.

Calling Ball the starter and giving him most of the 1st team reps up until his appendectomy would also seem to point to the fact they want a primary back not a committee.

[dizzolve]

I can't blame you for feeling the way you do. For the most part I trust our brass to know their players. And if he's not up to the job - they'll find someone who is. One thing that does bother me just a little though is that he's the same alma mader as John Fox. Might be a little favoritism there - it's possible. In fact I also feel the same about Oz ... with his connection to Elway's son. Again - just a little.

But the jury is not back yet on either. So I'll continue to believe in the process. It got us to a SB in 4 years to this point.

[Garfield]

he adds quickness burst speed that the others don't

He's been coined the Change of Pace back. We might not have seen that the way we all know it - but that's the hope... and that's what he brings that the others don't.

Yet it Makes zero difference if he can't get thru a hole.

Or better yet if he coughs it up after changing the pace.

Let's all see how he works out in preseason

Since he should be getting Balls reps let's see if he holds onto his balls.

[dizzolve]

he adds quickness burst speed that the others don't

He's been coined the Change of Pace back. We might not have seen that the way we all know it - but that's the hope... and that's what he brings that the others don't.

[Garfield]

I think the Broncos are going to go with an old skool style of three RB rotation.

In my earliest memories of the NFL, the three-headed backfield was both prevalent and successful: the '72 Dolphins had Larry Csonka, Mercury Morris and Jim Kiick, the 70's Steelers had Franco Harris, Rocky Bleir and Frenchy Fuqua, the 70's Raiders had fullback Mark van Eeghan, Clearance Davis and Pete Banaszk, and the early 70's Cowboys had two sets, the '71 'Boys had Duane Thomas, Calvin Hill, Dan Reeves (our former coach) and Walt Garrison, and the late 70's version had Tony Dorsett, Preston Pearson and fullback Robert Newhouse.

BTW, those were all great teams for the ages

Now, that is not to say the Broncos backfield is on that level, but legitimately the most promising and exciting thing for me is how the Broncos three backs fit together. I think Ball, Hillman and Anderson all have the potential to add something really strong to the running game. If Ball can be good between the tackles, Hillman is at times a really good receiver and CJ Anderson has that low center-of-gravity, bowling ball style than can be dominant.

Can't wait to see how it all plays out.

Overall you may be corret.

I just do not see that Hillman as we speak adds anything that Ball and CJ does not already do.

I have not heard or better yet seen that Hillman is a better receiver than Ball and CJ and we have not even added in all of the UDFAs in the stable, to the conversation.

Add in that Hillman was a speed bump last year in pass protect causes me to wonder how he will make the team, he is lighter than Fox likes for his RB's does not help him.

Regardless of Studesvilles comments about his attitude (which stunk last year) being better this year, size (overall and hands) causes me to believe he will NOT be a member of this team going forward.

Hillman's hand are SUPPOSEDLY smaller than average and one of the reasons he has had a tough time NOT BEING stripped.

Now that may not be true but odds are his butter fingers are a combination of that and defenders knowing he coughs it up will cause him to lose his job in Denver.

[Idiot_Kicker]

I think the Broncos are going to go with an old skool style of three RB rotation.

In my earliest memories of the NFL, the three-headed backfield was both prevalent and successful: the '72 Dolphins had Larry Csonka, Mercury Morris and Jim Kiick, the 70's Steelers had Franco Harris, Rocky Bleir and Frenchy Fuqua, the 70's Raiders had fullback Mark van Eeghan, Clearance Davis and Pete Banaszk, and the early 70's Cowboys had two sets, the '71 'Boys had Duane Thomas, Calvin Hill, Dan Reeves (our former coach) and Walt Garrison, and the late 70's version had Tony Dorsett, Preston Pearson and fullback Robert Newhouse.

BTW, those were all great teams for the ages

Now, that is not to say the Broncos backfield is on that level, but legitimately the most promising and exciting thing for me is how the Broncos three backs fit together. I think Ball, Hillman and Anderson all have the potential to add something really strong to the running game. If Ball can be good between the tackles, Hillman is at times a really good receiver and CJ Anderson has that low center-of-gravity, bowling ball style than can be dominant.

Can't wait to see how it all plays out.

[broncos SB2010]

Yeah I Heard that on the radio .... isn't he THE youngest player in the league .... last season or now or something? in his 2nd year no less

I think he was the youngest when he was drafted. he will be 23 next month.

[dizzolve]

Hillman is still very young so there is plenty of room for development, both physically and mentally. At the same time, it's hard to buy the hype before the games begin because we need to see him getting hit in real action to see if his ball security has improved. Also, considering how light and small he is, I'd like to see him make people miss in the open field.

Yeah I Heard that on the radio .... isn't he THE youngest player in the league .... last season or now or something? in his 2nd year no less

[DarkHorse26]

so McGahee type vet would run the Broncos 855-955 so reality your looking at an additional 500k hit to upgrade the position for one year.

Upgrade? in 2012 (last season with the Broncos) McGahee had 5 fumbles on 167 carries. Over his career, he basically fumbled the ball once every 80 carries. I think I will take my chances on a young guy who is working to get his body and strength up to the NFL level. Fumbling can be fixed, whereas age and injuries cannot.

[Hadez]

I really hope that the annual Hillman hype is real this year. That would be great for him and the Broncos. But, we've heard this all before. I've never seen much of anything. The speed has never been noticeable. When he gets hit it looks like what physics should. That's not a good thing for a small back. He's always looked a bit overmatched.

Dude I am just glad I do not have to hear about the 2009 draft class hype anymore.

If I had to go through another year of people saying "this is the year Ayers runs wild" I may have to do something crazy like run over a pokemon stuffy with my car.

5 years of Moreno/Ayers hype was about as much orange colored glass talk that I am able to deal with