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Linebacker Danny Trevathan expects the Bears to be interested in him during free agen
I know he will be a free agent, but is there any scenario that we don't sign Trevathan back? We can't let of our lead tackler obviously so we will see what Elway offers him
With Manning coming off the roster, a Clady restructure, Caldwell being sent packing, and a cap increase, I see no reason why not to extend him; unless of course they have their eyes on drafting his replacement.
I don't want John Fox to have any kind of success in Chicago. Guy did Carolina and us dirty! Hope Danny stays here long term!!
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I don't want John Fox to have any kind of success in Chicago. Guy did Carolina and us dirty! Hope Danny stays here long term!!
How so? In Carolina he took over a 1-15 team and had them in the Super Bowl 2 years later. His final season in Carolina was a case of the ownership and GM screwing him over. The way it ended in Denver wasn't great, obviously, but he took over a 4-12 team desperately in need of professionalism and injected that into the team.
John Fox is a good coach, Chicago was an improved team this year and he will continue to change them for the good next year, BUT the big thing is that John Fox has a ceiling, I'm not sure he's capable of actually coaching a Super Bowl winner. However if he can get Chicago into that conversation I'm sure Bears fans will be happy.
I'm not a Trevathan fan, I think he's an average player who is overrated on this board, much like DJ Williams was before him. He's not a bad player, but he's not a guy that's irreplaceable. The Broncos have managed to replace him when he's been injured, with very little dropoff. He's not worth a big contract, let him go, there are guys already on the roster (Todd Davis, Corey Nelson) who could step in and do as good of a job. Brandon Marshall is the LB that needs to be re-signed. In my opinion.
I'm not a Trevathan fan, I think he's an average player who is overrated on this board, much like DJ Williams was before him. He's not a bad player, but he's not a guy that's irreplaceable. The Broncos have managed to replace him when he's been injured, with very little dropoff. He's not worth a big contract, let him go, there are guys already on the roster (Todd Davis, Corey Nelson) who could step in and do as good of a job. Brandon Marshall is the LB that needs to be re-signed. In my opinion.
That's how most of us felt/feel about Fox. touché
Trevathan established himself as a stud and a keeper @ Dallas two years ago -remember his insane pick of Romo that sealed that win?
Trevathan established himself as a stud and a keeper @ Dallas two years ago -remember that pick on Romo that sealed that win?
Fox is almost universally hated on this board and many people look at it like anyone could have gotten a Peyton Manning team to the Super Bowl. Of course they fail to also point out that he took a Jake Delhomme coached team to the Super Bowl beating a 12-4 St. Louis team in St. Louis and a 12-4 Eagles team in Philly on the road to it. In fact if not for a Jon Kasay kickoff out of bounds, the Panthers may have won that Super Bowl, or at least taken it to overtime.
The only Trevathan pick I remember was the one against Baltimore when he was so busy trying to celebrate that he dropped the ball at the 1 yard line.
Danny T is a very solid player. worth big $? probably not. I think in the $5M-6M range is fair. We'll see how it all plays out. They can't keep gambling on these late pick/FA LB and letting them walk after a few years though. eventually they have to keep one around for a while. First it was WW. Than Danny T. Then Marshall. if the trend continues Marshall will be gone next and Mason Monheim will be starting for us.
Fox is almost universally hated on this board and many people look at it like anyone could have gotten a Peyton Manning team to the Super Bowl. Of course they fail to also point out that he took a Jake Delhomme coached team to the Super Bowl beating a 12-4 St. Louis team in St. Louis and a 12-4 Eagles team in Philly on the road to it. In fact if not for a Jon Kasay kickoff out of bounds, the Panthers may have won that Super Bowl, or at least taken it to overtime.
The only Trevathan pick I remember was the one against Baltimore when he was so busy trying to celebrate that he dropped the ball at the 1 yard line.
Butler, we hashed this out over and over again last year. I know you were one of Foxy's ardent supporters, and most of us -including John Elway, obviously- disagreed with you, and that's why he's gone! He was too complacent, Elway tried lighting the fire under his ass, and he didn't like that. He screwed us by not preparing our team for the SB and for the playoff game vs. Indy last year, having one foot out the door to Chicago already. Between him and Cutler, I don't wish Chicago any success either - I agree with JS!
Fox had 3 winning seasons out of 9 in Carolina and finished with a roughly .500 record. They let his contract expire (they didn't "screw" him) because they were sick of his vanilla offense and conservative coaching which wasn't getting anywhere.
And yes, when Manning was still competent, he gave every coach he ever played for 12 or 13-win seasons by virtue of his elite play -he carried teams in the regular season. Fox didn't "mastermind" that! He doesn't deserve one ounce of credit for that. He can fix up a bad team with sound fundementals but he is an 8-8 coach at best -his average in Carolina as well as Denver before Manning. Chicago will be lucky to have that; his record is 6-10 there so far, only a one win improvement over 2014.
Butler, we hashed this out over and over again last year. I know you were one of Foxy's ardent supporters, and most of us -including John Elway, obviously- disagreed with you, and that's why he's gone! He was too complacent, Elway tried lighting the fire under his ass, and he didn't like that. He screwed us by not preparing our team for the SB and for the playoff game vs. Indy last year, having one foot out the door to Chicago already. Between him and Cutler, I don't wish Chicago any success either - I agree with JS!
Fox had 3 winning seasons out of 9 in Carolina and finished with a roughly .500 record. They let his contract expire (they didn't "screw" him) because they were sick of his vanilla offense and conservative coaching which wasn't getting anywhere.
And yes, when Manning was still competent, he gave every coach he ever played for 12 or 13-win seasons by virtue of his elite play -he carried teams in the regular season. Fox didn't "mastermind" that! He doesn't deserve one ounce of credit for that. He can fix up a bad team with sound fundementals but he is an 8-8 coach at best -his average in Carolina as well as Denver before Manning. Chicago will be lucky to have that; his record is 6-10 there so far, only a one win improvement over 2014.
I wouldn't describe myself as one of Fox's "ardent supporters" he needed to be fired and was rightfully so. What I think is ridiculous is the revisionist history that goes on here. John Fox is a good coach, a good coach with a ceiling, but a good coach nonetheless.
I wouldn't describe myself as one of Fox's "ardent supporters" he needed to be fired and was rightfully so. What I think is ridiculous is the revisionist history that goes on here. John Fox is a good coach, a good coach with a ceiling, but a good coach nonetheless.
I remember your stance in the Fox debate threads.
If average or mediocre is "good", then we simply have different definitions and standards for the term.
I know he will be a free agent, but is there any scenario that we don't sign Trevathan back? We can't let of our lead tackler obviously so we will see what Elway offers him
It is highly likely we lose a couple of our FA's. With Danny, I doubt he goes anywhere.
IMO the biggest name we are likely to see gone, is Bolden. We will probably also let Antonio Smith walk, and probably Hillman.
The most interesting unit that we could see free agent moves on, is the line. With Ryan Harris and Evan Mathis, we may let both hit the market.
Butler, we hashed this out over and over again last year. I know you were one of Foxy's ardent supporters, and most of us -including John Elway, obviously- disagreed with you, and that's why he's gone! He was too complacent, Elway tried lighting the fire under his ass, and he didn't like that. He screwed us by not preparing our team for the SB and for the playoff game vs. Indy last year, having one foot out the door to Chicago already. Between him and Cutler, I don't wish Chicago any success either - I agree with JS!
Fox had 3 winning seasons out of 9 in Carolina and finished with a roughly .500 record. They let his contract expire (they didn't "screw" him) because they were sick of his vanilla offense and conservative coaching which wasn't getting anywhere.
And yes, when Manning was still competent, he gave every coach he ever played for 12 or 13-win seasons by virtue of his elite play -he carried teams in the regular season. Fox didn't "mastermind" that! He doesn't deserve one ounce of credit for that. He can fix up a bad team with sound fundementals but he is an 8-8 coach at best -his average in Carolina as well as Denver before Manning. Chicago will be lucky to have that; his record is 6-10 there so far, only a one win improvement over 2014.
And yes they did actually screw him in Carolina, the GM completely gutted that roster. I was at the Denver v Carolina game in Charlotte in 2012 and the Panthers fans around me were openly talking about how the management went out of their way to stack the deck against him.
Again I don't disagree he deserved to be fired in Denver, he absolutely did, especially with the "rumours" about his departure popping up via one of his close friends on the morning of the Broncos playoff game.
But again he's also a good coach, if you want a team that's bottomed out to be turned around, he's your guy, it's just he'll run into a ceiling after he turns that team around.
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