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  • #46
    CAR's Ealy was dominant too in that game... 3 sacks, INT, forced fumble, fumble recovery.


    • #47
      I said early in the year opposing teams want to run the ball on us as much as possible.

      Not because there will be great success...just because so many bad things will happen when they try to pass.

      Against Car I think the two huge plays to put Cam into his funk was Miller's strip that turned into a TD.

      just as key was Ware's HULK SMASH hit to end the first half. That sent Cam to the locker room with a fresh memory of what this defense was doing to him.
      Let's Ride!


      • #48
        Originally posted by Hadez View Post
        just as key was Ware's HULK SMASH hit to end the first half. That sent Cam to the locker room with a fresh memory of what this defense was doing to him.
        Exactly what I thought. Cam had a whole half hour+ to ponder getting smacked by Ware. I think Von's strip sack got us into cams head and Ware's hit put the exclamation point on it.
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        • #49
          Originally posted by Rancid View Post
          It is sure a lot funner to be on this side than where we were a couple years ago. Change the names in that to Seahawks players and it sounds eerily familiar.

          By the way,

          Is this true?
          Nah. Santa Claus is totally real. And we have the trophy to prove it.
          :logo:Super Bowl Bound! AGAIN!! :smash:


          • #50
            Originally posted by Nuts4koi View Post
            Nah. Santa Claus is totally real. And we have the trophy to prove it.
            :nono: Santa didn't give that to us. Our D went out there and TOOK it.
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            • #51
              Most spinal damage is not caused by that type of motion. As for the type of injury Manning has thats caused by herniated discs and nerve compression. I know I have the same dam injury, it sucks. Not saying the player couldn't have been hurt. But the chance of that play breaking his neck not likely at all.


              • #52
                Originally posted by ebsoria View Post
                :nono: Santa didn't give that to us. Our D went out there and TOOK it.
                You are correct, but I still think Santa delivered it. It's what I asked him for.
                :logo:Super Bowl Bound! AGAIN!! :smash:


                • #53
                  I can see both sides.

                  Sometimes a defense will take a penalty to prevent a bigger play, I get that. A face mask or even unnecessary roughness call can keep an offense on the field for another play or two or three and maybe the defense can catch a break.

                  The optics of it were horrible made worse in slow motion as it tends to always be. I don't think he was in any immediate danger of breaking his neck. His own momentum was in part why he came down the way he did - Talib leveraged an already moving body. Simple physics. Yet, from bad to worse with Talib's cavalier comments about his intent immediately following the game (or really at any time) were not good at all which, to me, might actually be the bigger issue. It's one thing to play rough, take your penalties, even face your fines, and move on. It's a completely different thing to make light of injury when the league has put an emphasis on trying to prevent it.

                  Ejecting him from the game? That would never happen unless there was a serious injury that resulted. There is no rule in place that covered what Talib did that would allow for it. Unless the rules are updated the refs would have been wrong to throw him out of the game.

                  I really like Talib. I love his fierceness and edge that he plays with. Concerning this, he isn't the sharpest tool in the shed.


                  • #54
                    How Denver's defense swallowed up Cam Newton

                    Pete Prisco
                    Senior NFL Columnist
                    February 11, 2016 3:47 pm ET

                    It was one of the most dominating Super Bowl defensive performances in history, but just how did the Denver Broncos beat the daylights out of Cam Newton and the Panthers? How did Wade Phillips' unit limit the bruising Carolina running game to just 118 yards and force four turnovers, one for a touchdown?

                    I would love to sit here and say it was the scheme, and indeed it had something to do with it, but the reality is it boiled down to the simplest football adage:

                    Jimmys and Joes are always more important than X's and O's.

                    The Broncos have major talent on defense, and especially at the all-important positions of edge rusher and corner. When you can match up in the secondary in man coverage, it gives a defense so many options. Those are options that Phillips used to slow down the Carolina running game, attack Newton with the blitz, and allow his pass rushers to run wild.

                    Outside linebacker Von Miller won the game's MVP with his 2.5-sack showing and by claiming a stake of the real estate in the Carolina backfield. But it was much more than just his play. The Broncos had seven sacks in the game, six on Newton, and they seemed to fluster the league's MVP at nearly every turn.

                    Von Miller strip-sacks Cam Newton to set up the Broncos' first touchdown. (USATSI)

                    This was the year Newton took major steps forward as a passer. He had improved on his ability to scan the field and come off his first and second options for big plays better than at any point in his career. Against Denver, thanks to the fierce pass rush, that changed. He pre-determined his throws more than he had during the season. That led to trouble. That also led to locking on receivers, holding the ball, and getting pummeled.

                    The Broncos hit him 13 times in the game, and after watching the tape it looked like a lot more than that. They brutalized him, and the frustration seemed to seep out on every hit.

                    All week the talk was about how the Panthers' top-ranked scoring offense couldn't be stopped, that Newton was a new-age quarterback who was changing the way the game was played. The reality was the Broncos turned him into a pocket passer and dared him to win there.

                    They won that battle -- in a big way.

                    It started with the way the Broncos played the run. Carolina's running game finished the regular season ranked second in the NFL with 142.6 yards per game. They had 118 on 27 carries in the Super Bowl. That's 4.4 per rush, but they held Jonathan Stewart to a 2.4-yard average on 12 carries and Mike Tolbert to 3.6 on five.

                    Carolina has an unconventional running game. They run Newton a lot in the read option or sweep him or use him on quarterback draws. That can put pressure on a defense when they get spread out.

                    Strangely, Newton carried it just six times for 45 yards, and one was a scramble for 12 yards. Another for 11 yards was a designed run off a pass look that had receivers blocking at the snap.

                    What Denver did to shut down the run was make sure to have seven or eight guys down in the box when Carolina went to spread looks. That's a risk a lot of teams won't take, but Denver can because they have outstanding cover players. Here's an example where the Broncos had three corners playing in coverage, with eight in the box, the key guy being safety Darian Stewart.

                    This play, which came with 4:16 left in the second quarter, initially looked to be a two-deep look for the Broncos against the three-receiver set for the Panthers. But a closer look shows that nickel corner Bradley Roby was playing the deep middle. That gave the Broncos three rangy corners in coverage and allowed Stewart (No. 26) to drop down into the box area before the snap.

                    That made it an eight-man front against the Carolina running game. The Panthers ran a quick toss to Fozzy Whitaker, but Stewart and DeMarcus Ware were able to handle contain. That forced Whitaker back inside where Derek Wolfe and Sylvester Williams stopped him for no gain. Here's another look at the play from the end-zone angle.

                    With the run game handled, it put a lot of pressure on Newton and the offensive tackles. Denver was able to come after Newton because they had the cover players in Aqib Talib, Chris Harris Jr. and Roby to match up. They weren't scared.

                    Speedy linebackers Brandon Marshall and Danny Trevathan had the backs in man coverage a lot. They often waited to see if they went out in the pattern or blocked, and then blitzed when they stayed into protect.

                    That could have led to big plays in the passing game to the backs, either by dump-offs or screens, but the Panthers never seemed interested in doing that.

                    Here's a play right before Whitaker's run. It is first-and-10.

                    The Broncos matched up to Carolina's three-receiver set in Cover-1, a single-high safety and man under. That left Travathan matched with Jonathan Stewart. When Stewart hesitated, making it look like he would block, Trevathan came on the blitz, making it a six-man rush.

                    You can see by the GIF that Stewart was wide open. A check down is a big play here. But Newton seemed locked on down the field for much of the game. I give the coaching staff blame here for not taking these dump downs when they saw what Denver was doing. Or maybe mix in a screen now and then to slow the rush? Against man coverage like this, big plays were there to be had in the screen game.

                    Even when the Broncos weren't in man, they did a good job in coverage and made Newton hold the ball. Here's a look at the Miller sack/fumble that was recovered by Malik Jackson for the touchdown.

                    On this play, the Broncos made it look like man underneath across the board. Newton clearly thought it was. Carolina ran a man-beating switch route concept to the left of Newton with the two receivers. But Denver was in a Cover-6 zone.

                    You can see Harris Jr. get his hands on Ted Ginn Jr., but then pass him off where Roby was playing the deep quarter. After initially opening to his right, Newton tried to come back to his left, but Ginn Jr. was covered by Roby. He stayed there too long. What he should have done was check it down to Mike Tolbert, who was wide open in the middle. A punt is better than what happened here.

                    Superbowl 50 MVP Von Miller on February 7th, 2016


                    • #55
                      Miller crashed into Newton, stripped the ball, and Jackson recovered in the end zone for a touchdown and a 10-0 lead.

                      When Miller had his second strip sack in the fourth quarter, it came because Newton held the ball against a four-man rush. His hesitation throwing caused Miller to pop the ball free, but his hesitation diving to get it back cost him the ball. Here's a look at the play.

                      The Broncos played a combo zone-man scheme, with two deep safeties and what looked to be man under. But Devin Funchess was able to come open when Harris Jr. didn't carry him to the sideline and Roby got spun around playing safety. Newton didn't throw it on the break, which he should have done. Take a look:

                      Nor did he step up in the pocket. That allowed Miller to knock it free to set up the clinching touchdown for the Broncos.

                      Newton got hit so much that he did what a lot of quarterbacks do, which is to start seeing ghosts, those imaginary pass rushers. Denver did the same thing to Tom Brady in the AFC Championship Game, and Newton saw them in the Super Bowl.

                      Here's a look at a play that appeared to be quick pressure by Denver with their blitz, but instead was well blocked by the Panthers. Rather than staying put in the pocket, a clean one, Newton left it.

                      Denver came with an eight-man rush, and played man with three in the back end. The Panthers blocked it up with a seven-man protection. Newton didn't have to leave.

                      He needed to stay there and fire a shot to Olsen on the deep cross. Olsen eventually was open when Newton got outside the pocket, but with pressure bearing down on him Newton's pass was off target.

                      He should have stayed put, but getting hit can force even the toughest, biggest passers to bail at times.

                      So in the end, the Broncos stopped the Panthers with some schematic things, but mostly it was about the players. When your corners can cover and your outside pass rushers can explode up the field, you have the perfect recipe to stop any offense in the league -- even one with the MVP at quarterback.

                      Superbowl 50 MVP Von Miller on February 7th, 2016


                      • #56
                        Some other things I saw on tape:

                        • They say you need good tackle play to get into a Super Bowl and win it. Not this year. The four tackles in the game might have been the worst quartet in history. We all saw how Michael Remmers and Michael Oher struggled for Carolina with Miller and Ware and gang. But Denver's Michael Schofield and Ryan Harris weren't much better.

                        Here's a look at Schofield getting run through by Charles Johnson for a strip of Peyton Manning.

                        Then on the next play, Kony Ealy beat Harris around the corner to knock the ball free from Manning. Unlike the first one, Denver didn't recover this one.

                        The Broncos were without left tackle Ryan Clady, who was lost with a torn ACL in the summer, so they have an excuse of sorts. But Carolina needs to upgrade their tackle spots.

                        • Broncos defensive tackle Malik Jackson and linebacker Danny Trevathan will become unrestricted free agents next month. Both had outstanding games to drive up the price. Jackson will be one of the most sought-after players on the market, while Trevathan is a speed linebacker in a league where everyone is seemingly looking for them. The Broncos will face a stiff challenge to try and keep them with Miller also an unrestricted free agent.

                        Jackson was outstanding against the run against Carolina and he's also a capable pass rusher. Travathan can run to the football, but there were times against Carolina where he took on the lead blocker, stayed strong, and made the play.

                        The Panthers tried an unbalanced look on one play, moving Remmers next to Oher on the left side, but Jackson blew up the play by blowing past Remmers. That was power and speed on display.

                        • The Panthers lacked a dominant edge rusher this season, but Kony Ealy showed in the Super Bowl that he could be that guy in 2016. He had three sacks and an interception. That pick showed off his impressive athletic ability as he dropped out into zone coverage and made a nice play to pluck the ball out of the air. He has speed around the corner, which this defense lacked consistently. Watch out for him in 2016.

                        DeMarcus Ware crushes Cam Newton for one of Denver's six sacks on the MVP.(USATSI)

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                        Superbowl 50 MVP Von Miller on February 7th, 2016


                        • #57
                          This is a great read, thanks!

                          edit: "You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to LynchMobster again" - I will try to get back to you on this
                          Last edited by Royal Flush; 02-13-2016, 11:37 AM.


                          • #58
                            Really nice article.

                            And same deal as Royal Flush. Thanks for Posting that.


                            • #59
                              You're welcome guys!

                              I like Pete Prisco of CBS Sports. He's one of the few guys in the general media who tends to side with the Broncos. We are usually ranked higher in his power rankings than others', and he is one of the few who DID pick us to win the Superbowl!

                              Superbowl 50 MVP Von Miller on February 7th, 2016