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Sources: The Denver Broncos Have Made A Substantial Contract Offer To Brock Osweiler

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  • Turf Nazi
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    Brock didn't "REGRESS", teams had tape on him after the Pats game. It happens. Brock was off to a great game against Pittsburgh, and had major OL breakdowns against the Raiders. Again, it happens. The other team gets paid to play as well. Do I think he is worth 4-5 years at $60MM, no, but he is worth what the Broncos have offered and may get more.

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  • DrunkPanda
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    I went back and re-watched the first Patriots game last night.... I remember at the time, I thought he played pretty darn well... but now that I went back and watched it, I think it was just because my expectations (and everyone else's) were so low. We saw him as a player who had only one NFL start, no one was expecting him to do anything. So when he did a LITTLE something, we all convinced ourselves he played great.

    But watching the replay with no emotion, I was surprised at how BAD he actually played. I mean, yes he was good for someone who was just playing in their second NFL game ever, but compared to a starting NFL qb, he was downright awful. He literally only had one successful drive in the first three quarters of the game. And then he did absolutely nothing until late in the fourth quarter. And even the fourth quarter wasn't very good for him. He only made like 3 good throws, they just happened to be very opportune throws. CJ Anderson deserves a lot more credit than Osweiler for that win

    You could legitimately compare that game to the average "Tebow game" during the "TebowMania" year. It was basically the exact same way we won games with Tebow as qb. "Offense literally does nothing almost the entire game, however defense plays out of their minds and keeps the game close, some bizarre breaks occur to give the Broncos a chance to win [Pats player muffing the punt in the fourth quarter when we were down by 14] [phantom holding call against McCourty when Osweiler gets sacked in the redzone down by 7 with 2 min to go] [CJ juking the entire Pats defense and running 50 yards for a touchdown on third down in overtime] [Tebow/Osweiler subsequently given 100% of the credit for the win, as if they did it singlehandedly]

    And the scary thing is, he REGRESSED after the Patriots game. The Patriots game was arguably his best game of the year. Seriously, go watch his games again and tell me what in his play has justified him making a starting NFL salary next year. Also tell me if they don't look exactly like the Tebow games, in terms of how we won them. Osweiler is basically Tebow right now. I mean, he throws a prettier ball than Tebow, but his production has been pretty much the same.

    I really don't think he can read a defense better than Tebow, either. Even Collinsworth kept mentioning how if his first read was covered, he would panic and just hold the ball too long. This led to a LOT of avoidable sacks and tipped balls that were an inch away from being strip sacks (defender would hit the ball right as it was leaving Osweiler's hand). Often times he would just break out of the pocket and try to scramble for a first down, even when he had good protection and there was no running lane at all
    Last edited by DrunkPanda; 03-06-2016, 10:39 PM.

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  • JesseH
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    Adam Schefter ‏@AdamSchefter 12h
    Brock Osweiler may indeed resign with Denver. But that, at this time, is far from a certainty. Other QB-needy teams will make this tough.
    Well, he said he wanted to stay and play for the Denver Broncos. If the contract offer is true, it's more than fare, and I like Elway's approach, "this isn't his big contract, not yet." He's getting more than Nick Foles, at $12.27, He's not getting Kurt Cousin's money. If he wants more, well, what he said is hogwash when he said he wanted to stay in Denver. Again, what we offered him is a fare deal ... anymore, he can walk. He still has much to prove IMO.

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  • gtown53
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    Originally posted by FR Tim View Post
    I think the word you meant was "imbecile".

    And what you would play for is irrelevant unless you are a professional QB with the skills to do the job.

    From what little details we have it seems to be a fair offer for Osweiler. But we have no clue what back channel information his agent may have. We have no real details of the Broncos offer either. It could below market value in guaranteed money or unrealistic incentives. Right now it is a media move by Elway to create some pressure and give the fans a feeling he is "doing all he can" .

    Professional athletes are so far out of "normal" standards for salary. I think some fans have no sense of reality. Not sure what business you are in but would you take 20% less to stay at your current job? Would you be excited about a promotion, increased prestige and 20% salary guaranteed increase with a rival company. Or do you love your current boss location and position so much you are willing to give that "home town discount" to stay? Every man and woman has to decide that for themselves.

    Even if this 3yr/$45M contract is close. You realize that would still make him outside the top 20 of what QBs get paid. We can argue all day whether Osweiler belongs in the top 20 performance wise not just this year but also considering his potential.
    Nice analogy.

    I work for an Engineering firm. If I had only recently "Started" for that company, and by taking 20% less today it would add to the strength of my Department with the potential of growing the business, getting new clients, and making Top Dollar in two or 3 years, versus going to a lesser Engineering firm, with little infrastructure, substandard talent, and a reputation of not being a top of the line organization, you're damned right I'd take less money, today.

    But then again, I'm more of a "Big Picture"/"look to the future" kind of guy who has some confidence in the job I do.

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  • JvDub95
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    Originally posted by capt. Jack View Post
    The "Brockweiler" has been patiently waiting in the wings, learning from the master! He Bailed us out when PFM went down. He is deserving of a nice Pay day!!
    Agreed, and from Denver

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  • Capt. Jack
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    The "Brockweiler" has been patiently waiting in the wings, learning from the master! He Bailed us out when PFM went down. He is deserving of a nice Pay day!!

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  • FR Tim
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    Originally posted by orange crush75 View Post
    If Oz doesn't sign he's an embacle. I'd pull my shoulder out of socket trying to get my pen out of my pocket at Mach 2
    I think the word you meant was "imbecile".

    And what you would play for is irrelevant unless you are a professional QB with the skills to do the job.

    From what little details we have it seems to be a fair offer for Osweiler. But we have no clue what back channel information his agent may have. We have no real details of the Broncos offer either. It could below market value in guaranteed money or unrealistic incentives. Right now it is a media move by Elway to create some pressure and give the fans a feeling he is "doing all he can" .

    Professional athletes are so far out of "normal" standards for salary. I think some fans have no sense of reality. Not sure what business you are in but would you take 20% less to stay at your current job? Would you be excited about a promotion, increased prestige and 20% salary guaranteed increase with a rival company. Or do you love your current boss location and position so much you are willing to give that "home town discount" to stay? Every man and woman has to decide that for themselves.

    Even if this 3yr/$45M contract is close. You realize that would still make him outside the top 20 of what QBs get paid. We can argue all day whether Osweiler belongs in the top 20 performance wise not just this year but also considering his potential.

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  • orange crush75
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    If Oz doesn't sign he's an embacle. I'd pull my shoulder out of socket trying to get my pen out of my pocket at Mach 2

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  • Strip Sacked
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    Originally posted by Butler By'Note View Post
    Oh I agree, and I doubt the contract is actually 3 years at $15 million per season, it might have a total value of $45 million but the cap numbers and base salaries will escalate through the years.

    But by making this contract offer Elway is making a statement that he believes in Osweiler and thinks he can be that guy, now it's a matter of whether Osweiler will agree and take this contract with the knowledge that he'll be rewarded very well in a year or two if he keeps improving.

    I agree with you entirely. Look, I'm not saying "Brock sucks, let him go" I am just saying that Elway is not going to in-debt ourselves to Osweiler. Does he want him to stay? Heck yeah, he's Elways hand picked Second Rounder. However that doesn't make him 'irreplaceable'. Losing Brock would bite yes, but we have a Championship team here. We CAN recover.

    Saying that Elway "can't let go of Brock" makes it sound like he's letting go of Miller. But if Brock's agent pushes for more than the 3-year 45 mill, you can guarantee he will be making his money in Cleveland or Houston next year.

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  • Butler By'Note
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    Originally posted by IAMRED View Post
    No, it sounds like he values Brock; yes. But he's not going to over-pay (which he border-line is) this contract is not going to get any sweeter. Here it is in front of Brock's face. It''s take it or leave it. If he wants more he can be overpaid elsewhere
    Oh I agree, and I doubt the contract is actually 3 years at $15 million per season, it might have a total value of $45 million but the cap numbers and base salaries will escalate through the years.

    But by making this contract offer Elway is making a statement that he believes in Osweiler and thinks he can be that guy, now it's a matter of whether Osweiler will agree and take this contract with the knowledge that he'll be rewarded very well in a year or two if he keeps improving.

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  • Strip Sacked
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    Originally posted by Butler By'Note View Post
    If the reports of the contract offer are accurate, I think that lends a lot of credence to the belief that Elway sees Osweiler as the QB that will lead the team going forward. You don't offer 3 years $45 million to a player that you don't believe in and you're ready to let walk. You offer them 3 years $27 million and tell them that's the best you can do.
    No, it sounds like he values Brock; yes. But he's not going to over-pay (which he border-line is) this contract is not going to get any sweeter. Here it is in front of Brock's face. It''s take it or leave it. If he wants more he can be overpaid elsewhere

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  • Butler By'Note
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    Originally posted by IAMRED View Post
    Because he's not as over-valued in reality as he is in your head.
    If the reports of the contract offer are accurate, I think that lends a lot of credence to the belief that Elway sees Osweiler as the QB that will lead the team going forward. You don't offer 3 years $45 million to a player that you don't believe in and you're ready to let walk. You offer them 3 years $27 million and tell them that's the best you can do.

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  • Strip Sacked
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    Originally posted by Montoya View Post
    I guess we will see. Let me ask you this. Why would he let him go? For what? Malik is gone. Danny is gone. We have the money. What other quarterback is going to give us the chance to win more then Brock? That is why he will get the money he wants. And should get.
    Because he's not as over-valued in reality as he is in your head.

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  • Montoya
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    Originally posted by IAMRED View Post
    .... Elway is prolly gonna let him go.. Lol
    I guess we will see. Let me ask you this. Why would he let him go? For what? Malik is gone. Danny is gone. We have the money. What other quarterback is going to give us the chance to win more then Brock? That is why he will get the money he wants. And should get.

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  • Strip Sacked
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    Originally posted by Montoya View Post
    And 3/4 of the people on this board were saying we wouldn't offer more then 12 13 hahaha. Brock is a future franchise QB. I can see him signing for 16m per year. Elway will not let him go and make us go back to a mediocre team with no quarterback. We are the Denver Broncos not the Browns.

    .... Elway is prolly gonna let him go.. Lol

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