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  • Butler By'Note
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    Originally posted by HUMCALC View Post
    The team was 1-4. If he wanted the team to struggle, he could have left Orton as the starter. He probably thought that he could kill 2 birds with 1 stone, continue to lose and appease the fans
    Bingo. But if the Broncos finished 2-14 that season, which was what they'd have needed to get Luck, then he could say he gave Tebow a chance, and it didn't work.

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  • HUMCALC
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    Originally posted by Butler By'Note View Post
    I know you're a Tebow guy, but I still believe that Elway told Fox to put Tebow in because he thought they would struggle greatly to win and it would lead to them being in position to draft Andrew Luck. Of course Tebow did better than they thought he would and Denver won games, and that's why I believe Elway looked so disgusted after several of those wins.

    Not denigrating Tebow in any way there, but I've always thought that was Elway's plan, that ultimately failed.
    The team was 1-4. If he wanted the team to struggle, he could have left Orton as the starter. He probably thought that he could kill 2 birds with 1 stone, continue to lose and appease the fans

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  • Butler By'Note
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    Originally posted by HUMCALC View Post
    I HATE Jeff Fisher! It can work for players too, though. Look at 2011, the fans wanted Tebow & because of their campaign, we got him
    I know you're a Tebow guy, but I still believe that Elway told Fox to put Tebow in because he thought they would struggle greatly to win and it would lead to them being in position to draft Andrew Luck. Of course Tebow did better than they thought he would and Denver won games, and that's why I believe Elway looked so disgusted after several of those wins.

    Not denigrating Tebow in any way there, but I've always thought that was Elway's plan, that ultimately failed.

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  • HUMCALC
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    Originally posted by Butler By'Note View Post
    I do agree, when it's something like I mentioned, as an example, the reason Jeff Fisher was finally fired was because the fans quit showing up to Rams games this year, that's a pretty big deal in a team's first year in a new city.

    But for players and stuff, the fans have no control, and that's the way it should be, we don't know all of the information. I'll often see things like player X is always in the backfield because no one can block him. Or Player Y is always open, but the QB never throws him the ball. So fans will be upset about that. What we don't know is that player X was to drop into a zone there and screwed up and left his player wide open, but got lucky. Or that player Y is always open but never gets the ball because he doesn't know the playbook and often runs the wrong routes, so the QB can never find him in the location he's supposed to be in.
    I HATE Jeff Fisher! It can work for players too, though. Look at 2011, the fans wanted Tebow & because of their campaign, we got him

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  • Butler By'Note
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    Originally posted by HUMCALC View Post
    I know. I was just talking in general
    I do agree, when it's something like I mentioned, as an example, the reason Jeff Fisher was finally fired was because the fans quit showing up to Rams games this year, that's a pretty big deal in a team's first year in a new city.

    But for players and stuff, the fans have no control, and that's the way it should be, we don't know all of the information. I'll often see things like player X is always in the backfield because no one can block him. Or Player Y is always open, but the QB never throws him the ball. So fans will be upset about that. What we don't know is that player X was to drop into a zone there and screwed up and left his player wide open, but got lucky. Or that player Y is always open but never gets the ball because he doesn't know the playbook and often runs the wrong routes, so the QB can never find him in the location he's supposed to be in.

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  • HUMCALC
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    Originally posted by Butler By'Note View Post
    But in this case, what do fans want? This isn't as simple as fans wanting a coach or GM fired because they've wrecked the team. In this case it's between two QBs, and you've got about 25% who want Siemian, 25% who want Lynch, 25% who want anyone else and 25% who don't know what they want.
    I know. I was just talking in general

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  • Butler By'Note
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    Originally posted by HUMCALC View Post
    Fans actually are more powerful than EVERYONE ELSE! If fans stop going and/or stop buying merchandise, they'd get what they want
    But in this case, what do fans want? This isn't as simple as fans wanting a coach or GM fired because they've wrecked the team. In this case it's between two QBs, and you've got about 25% who want Siemian, 25% who want Lynch, 25% who want anyone else and 25% who don't know what they want.

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  • HUMCALC
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    Originally posted by PAINTERDAVE View Post
    The only thing that matters is...
    what doe s JOHN ELWAY want?
    -
    I submit...
    Elway did not blow up the coaching staff that won a superbowl
    because he loves the 7th rd pick that was doing"ok".
    -
    Elway wanted Kubiak to let go of calling the plays...
    Kubiak refused.
    Elway wanted to see Paxton play in the meaningless Raider game
    Kubiak refused.
    End of season... Elway wanted Kubiak to let go of his offense coach buddies...
    Kubiak refused.
    -
    Elway blew up the coaching staff, allowed Wade to walk...
    brought in Joseph, McCoy, Musgrave all with a PURPOSE in mind.
    -
    OK just aint good enough for the Broncos.
    -
    Just like Meck was saying...
    Elway wants to find out if Paxton is "the guy".. "his guy"....
    and he don't want to waste any more time of the rookies contract not knowing.
    -
    It is really that plain and simple.
    -
    Fans arguing over TS vs Paxton till the cows come home aint gonna change it.
    -
    WE are powerless. This ball is in ELWAY's court...
    and he brought in rookie Head Coach Jospeh to get it done. HIS WAY.
    -
    Anybody who don't see that reality...
    is kidding themselves.
    Fans actually are more powerful than EVERYONE ELSE! If fans stop going and/or stop buying merchandise, they'd get what they want

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  • Butler By'Note
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    Originally posted by PAINTERDAVE View Post
    The only thing that matters is...
    what doe s JOHN ELWAY want?
    -
    I submit...
    Elway did not blow up the coaching staff that won a superbowl
    because he loves the 7th rd pick that was doing"ok".
    -
    Elway wanted Kubiak to let go of calling the plays...
    Kubiak refused.
    Elway wanted to see Paxton play in the meaningless Raider game
    Kubiak refused.
    End of season... Elway wanted Kubiak to let go of his offense coach buddies...
    Kubiak refused.
    -
    Elway blew up the coaching staff, allowed Wade to walk...
    brought in Joseph, McCoy, Musgrave all with a PURPOSE in mind.
    -
    OK just aint good enough for the Broncos.
    -
    Just like Meck was saying...
    Elway wants to find out if Paxton is "the guy".. "his guy"....
    and he don't want to waste any more time of the rookies contract not knowing.
    -
    It is really that plain and simple.
    -
    Fans arguing over TS vs Paxton till the cows come home aint gonna change it.
    -
    WE are powerless. This ball is in ELWAY's court...
    and he brought in rookie Head Coach Jospeh to get it done. HIS WAY.
    -
    Anybody who don't see that reality...
    is kidding themselves.
    That's a lot of speculation on your part. Perhaps you can provide a link?

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  • colowoz
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    Originally posted by PAINTERDAVE View Post
    The only thing that matters is...
    what doe s JOHN ELWAY want?
    -
    I submit...
    Elway did not blow up the coaching staff that won a superbowl
    because he loves the 7th rd pick that was doing"ok".
    -
    Elway wanted Kubiak to let go of calling the plays...
    Kubiak refused.
    Elway wanted to see Paxton play in the meaningless Raider game
    Kubiak refused.
    End of season... Elway wanted Kubiak to let go of his offense coach buddies...
    Kubiak refused.
    -
    Elway blew up the coaching staff, allowed Wade to walk...
    brought in Joseph, McCoy, Musgrave all with a PURPOSE in mind.
    -
    OK just aint good enough for the Broncos.
    -
    Just like Meck was saying...
    Elway wants to find out if Paxton is "the guy".. "his guy"....
    and he don't want to waste any more time of the rookies contract not knowing.
    -
    It is really that plain and simple.
    -
    Fans arguing over TS vs Paxton till the cows come home aint gonna change it.
    -
    WE are powerless. This ball is in ELWAY's court...
    and he brought in rookie Head Coach Jospeh to get it done. HIS WAY.
    -
    Anybody who don't see that reality...
    is kidding themselves.
    Very well put I totally agree.

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  • broncolee
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    Originally posted by PAINTERDAVE View Post
    The only thing that matters is...
    what doe s JOHN ELWAY want?
    -
    I submit...
    Elway did not blow up the coaching staff that won a superbowl
    because he loves the 7th rd pick that was doing"ok".
    -
    Elway wanted Kubiak to let go of calling the plays...
    Kubiak refused.
    Elway wanted to see Paxton play in the meaningless Raider game
    Kubiak refused.
    End of season... Elway wanted Kubiak to let go of his offense coach buddies...
    Kubiak refused.
    -
    Elway blew up the coaching staff, allowed Wade to walk...
    brought in Joseph, McCoy, Musgrave all with a PURPOSE in mind.
    -
    OK just aint good enough for the Broncos.
    -
    Just like Meck was saying...
    Elway wants to find out if Paxton is "the guy".. "his guy"....
    and he don't want to waste any more time of the rookies contract not knowing.
    -
    It is really that plain and simple.
    -
    Fans arguing over TS vs Paxton till the cows come home aint gonna change it.
    -
    WE are powerless. This ball is in ELWAY's court...
    and he brought in rookie Head Coach Jospeh to get it done. HIS WAY.
    -
    Anybody who don't see that reality...
    is kidding themselves.
    I think this is closer to the truth than what was said publicly.

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  • shawinkerpoppin
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    Originally posted by PAINTERDAVE View Post
    The only thing that matters is...
    what doe s JOHN ELWAY want?
    -
    I submit...
    Elway did not blow up the coaching staff that won a superbowl
    because he loves the 7th rd pick that was doing"ok".
    -
    Elway wanted Kubiak to let go of calling the plays...
    Kubiak refused.
    Elway wanted to see Paxton play in the meaningless Raider game
    Kubiak refused.
    End of season... Elway wanted Kubiak to let go of his offense coach buddies...
    Kubiak refused.
    -
    Elway blew up the coaching staff, allowed Wade to walk...
    brought in Joseph, McCoy, Musgrave all with a PURPOSE in mind.
    -
    OK just aint good enough for the Broncos.
    -
    Just like Meck was saying...
    Elway wants to find out if Paxton is "the guy".. "his guy"....
    and he don't want to waste any more time of the rookies contract not knowing.
    -
    It is really that plain and simple.
    -
    Fans arguing over TS vs Paxton till the cows come home aint gonna change it.
    -
    WE are powerless. This ball is in ELWAY's court...
    and he brought in rookie Head Coach Jospeh to get it done. HIS WAY.
    -
    Anybody who don't see that reality...
    is kidding themselves.
    People write stuff off like this as "conspiracy" but its pretty obvious and it was obvious these changes were coming rather or not kubiak "retired". No way he gets to run a failed offense for a third season in a row. I questioned how much effort they put into lynch development when kubiak held lynch out of the raiders game. We would have ended up turning into the mediocre Texans teams kubiak coached.

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  • samparnell
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    Originally posted by PAINTERDAVE View Post
    The only thing that matters is...
    what doe s JOHN ELWAY want?
    -
    I submit...
    Elway did not blow up the coaching staff that won a superbowl
    because he loves the 7th rd pick that was doing"ok".
    -
    Elway wanted Kubiak to let go of calling the plays...
    Kubiak refused.
    Elway wanted to see Paxton play in the meaningless Raider game
    Kubiak refused.
    End of season... Elway wanted Kubiak to let go of his offense coach buddies...
    Kubiak refused.
    -
    Elway blew up the coaching staff, allowed Wade to walk...
    brought in Joseph, McCoy, Musgrave all with a PURPOSE in mind.
    -
    OK just aint good enough for the Broncos.
    -
    Just like Meck was saying...
    Elway wants to find out if Paxton is "the guy".. "his guy"....
    and he don't want to waste any more time of the rookies contract not knowing.
    -
    It is really that plain and simple.
    -
    Fans arguing over TS vs Paxton till the cows come home aint gonna change it.
    -
    WE are powerless. This ball is in ELWAY's court...
    and he brought in rookie Head Coach Jospeh to get it done. HIS WAY.
    -
    Anybody who don't see that reality...
    is kidding themselves.
    Credible link or it didn't happen. By credible link, I don't mean a bunch of blabbermouths in tinfoil hats you listen to on the radio.

    Elway did not blow up the staff. Kubiak retired for health reasons. Elway hired a new coach who has put together a new staff. All of that is documentable public knowledge. All else is conspiracy theory.

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  • WYBRONCO
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    Well said. It was almost like Kubiak was trying to give himself the chance to play as Siemian. He is kind of a Kubiak talented QB. Time will only tell if Lynch has Elway like skills or not.

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  • PAINTERDAVE
    replied
    The only thing that matters is...
    what doe s JOHN ELWAY want?
    -
    I submit...
    Elway did not blow up the coaching staff that won a superbowl
    because he loves the 7th rd pick that was doing"ok".
    -
    Elway wanted Kubiak to let go of calling the plays...
    Kubiak refused.
    Elway wanted to see Paxton play in the meaningless Raider game
    Kubiak refused.
    End of season... Elway wanted Kubiak to let go of his offense coach buddies...
    Kubiak refused.
    -
    Elway blew up the coaching staff, allowed Wade to walk...
    brought in Joseph, McCoy, Musgrave all with a PURPOSE in mind.
    -
    OK just aint good enough for the Broncos.
    -
    Just like Meck was saying...
    Elway wants to find out if Paxton is "the guy".. "his guy"....
    and he don't want to waste any more time of the rookies contract not knowing.
    -
    It is really that plain and simple.
    -
    Fans arguing over TS vs Paxton till the cows come home aint gonna change it.
    -
    WE are powerless. This ball is in ELWAY's court...
    and he brought in rookie Head Coach Jospeh to get it done. HIS WAY.
    -
    Anybody who don't see that reality...
    is kidding themselves.

    Leave a comment:

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