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  • Frustration building in Denver with Broncos' offensive scheme

    http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap300...fensive-scheme


    The Denver Broncos' losing streak has reached five game, and the angst is now palpable.
    As Denver prepares to host the Cincinnati Bengals on Sunday, it will do so with a quarterback situation and an offense under an intense microscope.
    On Friday, Broncos general manager John Elway spoke openly about the team not being competitive in their recent losses, saying that is "probably what concerns me the most." He added that the team "got a little bit soft" after their fast start. It was, no doubt, a challenge from Elway to his team.
    While Elway spoke in generalities about the team, sources say there is growing frustration in the building with the offensive scheme. Ranked 24th in points per game, with a quarterback situation that hasn't been resolved yet, the offensive output and efficiency must improve.



    Elway, by the way, supported coach Vance Joseph and said he knew there would be growing pains with a first-year coach.
    Brock Osweiler will start again for the 3-6 Broncos, Paxton Lynch will be his backup, and original starter Trevor Siemian will be inactive, sources say. The hope is this is the beginning of the turnaround.
    If it's not, don't be surprised to see some changes on the offensive coaching staff next year.
    Mostly, the dissatisfaction comes from the offensive playbook being unwieldy. Elway has always believed in execution over everything -- simple and fast -- rather than focusing on trying to out-scheme the opponent. The belief is the offense has contained too much this year. At times, the playbook has featured more plays than even when Peyton Manning was under center in Denver, except this version of the Broncos has inexperienced QBs.
    Fewer plays could equal better performance.
    Some of this will change Sunday, a continuation of what started last week. The scheme will be pared down and simplified. The hope is it will potentially allow players to execute better. Play-calling has been an issue, those in charge believe.
    If all goes according to plan, the difference will be noticeable against the Bengals. If not, the Broncos' decision-makers might have to make some tough calls at the end of the season.

    Seems like Elway is putting some blame on the coaches. Mike McCoy’s job may be on the line here but IMO it is VJ job that should be on the line. VJ is the head coach and allows Mike to do what he does. VJ should have went to Mike after the Buffalo game to make adjustments and he didn't...that's on the HC IMO.
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  • #2
    This season has caused me to lose some confidence in my ability to judge this team. I think we should be a winning team but we aren't. In the AFC us and the Cleveland Browns are the only teams without a road win. That alone tells you we are not a very good team. And, since defense "travels" that also tells me the chinks on defense might be more than we want to see. We aren't winning games 13 to 10. We're losing 28 to 20. So maybe our offense is not the only thing causing us to be in this tailspin.
    That said, we have some very talented players and I trust the coaches will get it straightened out

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    • #3
      He wants the blame the coaches instead of blaming himself for giving them a lack of talent to work with? I use to think it was just Kubiak a offense sucked but we are having the exact same struggles with a different offense. Poor blocking poor QB play and only 2 receiving threats on the field and one of them lacks focus. McCoy had success running his offense in San Diego and even got production out of An offense ran with Tebow. Our offensive struggles come down to player execution.

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      • #4
        Softness?!? Did softness change from a press-man defensive scheme to an off-zone scheme. Does softness muff punts? Does softness allow five sacks a game at right tackle?

        But supposing it is a softness issue, has anyone asked Elway if he regrets cutting TJ Ward? You can make the case cutting a hard hitting, heart and soul type player will make a team soft. Did use the cap saving from cutting TJ to improve the team THIS YEAR??? No, he is going to rollover his savings into next year since Elway gave up preseason.

        Elway always has a scapegoat lined up!!!

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        • #5
          The only thing that got soft was Elway's common sense.

          This run of crap football is on him because he, and he alone, put scrubs on the field.

          Now he is blaming others; particularly McCoy-- who is backed by Musgrave.

          Elway's brain is what is soft and nothing else. What a joke. Elway got too big for his britches and needs a kick in the pants.
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          • #6
            All of you guys above me are great because you get it.

            We are not creating a "hate Elway thread" like many will accuse us. We are simply holding him accountable for non talent personnel he has given this organization.

            Sure he's signed guys like Ware, Ward, Stewart etc. but we could probably credit that to PFM, VFM and Aqib Talib.

            Before anything can truly change, Elway needs to understand that his poor draft selections and lack of money put into free agents is to blame. He has got to stand up and address the team taking the blame as Joseph has.

            Now he cannot go out and say we suck because you guys on offense suck but he can give up his position on selecting player personnel. Allowing someone else that role and perhaps that someone is Kubiak if he were to stay on with the Broncos even as an OC which I would more than support.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by shawinkerpoppin View Post
              He wants the blame the coaches instead of blaming himself for giving them a lack of talent to work with? I use to think it was just Kubiak a offense sucked but we are having the exact same struggles with a different offense. Poor blocking poor QB play and only 2 receiving threats on the field and one of them lacks focus. McCoy had success running his offense in San Diego and even got production out of An offense ran with Tebow. Our offensive struggles come down to player execution.
              Well, though McCoy (,Fox and Dennis Allen) are hailed by many as the brilliant coach that could get success with Tebow, maybe it is time to realize that those coaches have failed with anyone except Tebow and Manning, and along the way had QB's considered elite while doing so. Our QB room does not have a Philip Rivers, Drew Brees, Derek Carr, and the wheels are coming off the bus.

              McCoy was fired for producing their two worst seasons since Ryan Leaf, but then Elway hired Fox when he was the only coach with a worse record than McDaniels. McCoy has been given way too much credit!

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              • #8
                It's very upsetting to hear our GM throw the players under the bus like that.

                Soft - ok. So how about someone go to both VJ and Joe Woods and ask them how in the hell has the #1 secondary become one of the worst in a year? And then ask them how in the hell is our defense giving up 24-30 points per game when they haven't given up this amount of points before. And then ask Joe Woods why is the defense playing so soft when they used to be so aggressive?

                Then how about someone go to our crappy STs coach and ask him to explain how the hell does a team spot another team 24 points on STs? And while you're at it, can you please have them explain they're reasoning as to why they've put a punt returner out there who's muffed 4-5 punts already?

                And can someone go ask our OC to explain why this team can't score in the RZ? And while you're at it, can you please explain why you're abandoning the run game halfway through the first quarter and asking our QB to throw 40-50 times a game?

                Once you get answers to these questions then you can go and tell the players they're soft. But before you do, please make sure you and all the coaches have assessed yourselves honestly and can also hold yourself accountable as well. Then I think the players will admit to crappy execution and try to get on the same page.
                Last edited by broncoslover115; 11-19-2017, 08:14 AM.
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                • #9
                  IMO its a combination of everything from Elway to the coaches (especially VJ) to even some of the players that have all but quit on the team. I don't think we can blame just Elway or just the coaches or the players.
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Assassin27 View Post
                    IMO its a combination of everything from Elway to the coaches (especially VJ) to even some of the players that have all but quit on the team. I don't think we can blame just Elway or just the coaches or the players.
                    True leaders take the blame and hold themselves accountable in public and don't throw their players under the bus.

                    What Elway did was exonerate VJ and basically himself and put all the blame on the players. Sad!

                    I mean Von takes all the blame in his pressers for Pete's sake.
                    Last edited by broncoslover115; 11-19-2017, 08:24 AM.
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                    • #11
                      There's a lack of discipline, team wide.

                      That's usually contributed to the coach.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by broncoslover115 View Post
                        True leaders take the blame and hold themselves accountable in public and don't throw their players under the bus.

                        What Elway did was exonerate VJ and basically himself and put all the blame on the players. Truly sad.
                        Didn't Elway do the same thing after we got blown out by Seattle in the SB? He blamed the players and coaches.
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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by broncoslover115 View Post
                          It's very upsetting to hear our GM throw the players under the bus like that.

                          Soft - ok. So how about someone go to both VJ and Joe Woods and ask them how in the hell has the #1 secondary become one of the worst in a year? And then ask them how in the hell is our defense giving up 24-30 points per game when they haven't given up this amount of points before. And then ask Joe Woods why is the defense playing so soft when they used to be so aggressive?

                          Then how about someone go to our crappy STs coach and ask him to explain how the hell does a team spot another team 24 points on STs? And while you're at it, can you please have them explain they're reasoning as to why they've put a punt returner out there who's muffed 4-5 punts already?

                          And can someone go ask our OC to explain why this team can't score in the RZ? And while you're at it, can you please explain why you're abandoning the run game halfway through the first quarter and asking our QB to throw 40-50 times a game?

                          Once you get answers to these questions then you can go and tell the players they're soft. But before you do, please make sure you and all the coaches have assessed yourselves honestly and can also hold yourself accountable as well. Then I think the players will admit to crappy execution and try to get on the same page.
                          Because it's easy for Elway to blame the players. It's much harder to look in the mirror on his decision to hire VJ along with his draft picks/free agents over the past few years. Elway did well with getting Peyton Manning, Ware, Talib and Ward. Since then it's become glaringly obvious that he failed to build the team for the post-Manning era.

                          I put too much trust in Elway for the future based on a successful run to a championship. The team is a shell of it's former championship caliber and one of the worst in the league.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Assassin27 View Post
                            At times, the playbook has featured more plays than even when Peyton Manning was under center in Denver, except this version of the Broncos has inexperienced QBs.
                            That does not make any sense with the current QBs on the roster.
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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Fantaztic7 View Post
                              Because it's easy for Elway to blame the players. It's much harder to look in the mirror on his decision to hire VJ along with his draft picks/free agents over the past few years. Elway did well with getting Peyton Manning, Ware, Talib and Ward. Since then it's become glaringly obvious that he failed to build the team for the post-Manning era.

                              I put too much trust in Elway for the future based on a successful run to a championship. The team is a shell of it's former championship caliber and one of the worst in the league.
                              I think it's simply a psychological tactic for motivating the players, some of whom have given up. Make them mad, because coming in angry is better than flat!

                              Hindsight on decisions is 20/20, and if we have it in order to criticize his moves, he has it too, and privately he is very likely kicking himself for a bunch of these bad choices, because nobody wants the Broncos to win more than him.
                              Last edited by L.M.; 11-19-2017, 09:43 AM.

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