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  • #31
    Originally posted by Lomax
    Agreed. But Rod, Ashley, Darius...didn't get it done this year. Why would you assume that they will get it done next year?

    3rd down % and redzone efficiency says it all. We need a POSSESSION receiver. Dare I say MORE than a D Line?
    that is why we should go after Matt Jones 6'7'' he was a QB and we should make him a WR he runs 4.3 40 and one hell of a player he would be a TD bonaza in the redzone

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    • #32
      Originally posted by Seto
      Antonio Perkins is faster than anyone I have ever seen, this guy is incredible, he has a 4.31 40 time and a 42 inch vetical leap (both better than Deangelo Hall) he is 6,0 (Hall was only 5,9/5,10)

      It doesn't matter where people think he is going to be drafted, I doubt he will be drafted high, but this guy is an incredible athlete, and an even better CB (not to mention the NCAA record for most Punt Returns for a TD in a game, in a season, and in a career)

      People are stupid for not putting him higher, jsut plain stupid
      Nah, that whole oklahoma defense is a tad overrated...he might be able to return punts, but he's not a very good corner, not even for nickel packages.

      "The Gagne T-shirt jersey comes with a complimentary can of gasoline and a set of matches."

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      • #33
        Originally posted by Lomax
        Right, but it's much easier to get a possession receiver than it is to engineer a new O line. I'm saying, as soon as next year, our conversion % can jump well over 40 with a single piece being added. Our running game will be stronger with an extra big body on run blocking. Our redzone TD percentage will go up with an added target in that part of the field. It would literally affect every aspect of our game. Restructuring the O line to build around massive guys not only changes the way we play offense, but requires a lot of trial and error and won't likely see any effect for years. And a bigger OL is only really a factor in short yardage situations, while eliminating our mobile pocket and our superior ability to pull linemen to make downfield blocks on screens, sweeps, etc.
        you mentioned the benefit: "And a bigger OL is only really a factor in short yardage situations" but who is to say that just because you place large linemen in there they can't "pull linemen to make downfield blocks on screens, sweeps"?
        Foster didn't do too badly at all, and it gives us that much more confidence - as you mentioned in short yardage, which will open up the TE/WR we have already (which I think are adequate enough). Our TE/WR are reasonably good at run blocking but admittedly could be better.

        I don't have a problem with changing the way we play Offense and yes it will take a couple of years for them to gel, but in the end we will be far better off. Presently we are getting blown off the line a lot esp up the middle. WHatever it takes to give Jake more time to process the information (cuz he just can't process that fast it seems) and far better hole opening for ther run would be the biggest benefit to the Offense.

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        • #34
          Originally posted by Seto
          what about Antonio Perkins???

          This guy is the second comeing of Diangelo Hall, just more athletic, bigger, and faster.
          Yep. Perkins is a PLAYMAKER and I can see him making the transition to the NFL very easily. Probably the most polished of all the corners in the draft.

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          • #35
            Originally posted by Lomax
            Agreed. But Rod, Ashley, Darius...didn't get it done this year. Why would you assume that they will get it done next year?

            3rd down % and redzone efficiency says it all. We need a POSSESSION receiver. Dare I say MORE than a D Line?
            Just where did Jake get 4373 yards this year? The WR accounted for a really big chunk of that 2747 yards 63%

            You are completely wrong about what we need worst. the D-line cost us games, no pressure means no sacks, or picks, and lots of completed passes.

            We dropped a bunch of passes last year mainly from assshley watts and putz. tater dropped a couple of sure TD's

            But we scored enough points in all but 1 game to win if the defense would have held the other team to less than 20 points

            DEN 34 KC 24 WIN
            DEN 6 JAX 7 LOSS
            DEN 23 SAN 13 WIN
            DEN 16 TPA 13 WIN
            DEN 20 CAR 17 WIN
            DEN 31 OAK 3 WIN
            DEN 10 CIN 23 LOSS
            DEN 28 ATL 41 LOSS
            DEN 31 HOU 13 WIN
            DEN 34 NOL 13 WIN
            DEN 24 OAK25 LOSS
            DEN 17 SAN 20 LOSS
            DEN 20 MIA 17 WIN
            DEN 17 KC 45 LOSS
            DEN 37 TEN 16 WIN
            DEN 33 IND 14 WIN
            DEN 24 IND 49 LOSS
            ave 23.8 20.8
            ave 27.9 14.3 in wins
            ave 18.0 30.0 in losses

            What do all the losses have in common except for JAX, the other team all scored 20 or more points on a decent defense. In CIN, ATL, OAK, KC and IND the QB’s had time to have tea and crumpets before they had pressure. could stand back there all day and pick our vaunted defense apart.

            This illustrates that when we win we win big almost double their scores, when we lost it was by 12.0 points. Three of those games were by 49, 45, and 41 points all of which the QB's had a field day.

            I repeat WR is not a priority like DT is.

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            • #36
              Originally posted by OrangeShadow
              by mel kiper

              Tight End

              1. Alex Smith, Stanford
              2. Kevin Everett, Miami
              3. Garrett Cross, California
              4. Victor Sesay, Missouri
              5. Adam Bergen, Lehigh

              Defensive End

              1. Dan Cody, Oklahoma
              2. Erasmus James, Wisconsin
              3. Matt Roth, Iowa
              4. Marcus Spears, LSU
              5. David Pollack, Georgia

              Defensive Tackle

              1. Travis Johnson, Florida State
              2. Shaun Cody, USC
              3. Anttaj Hawthorne, Wisconsin
              4. Mike Patterson, USC
              5. Ronald Fields, Mississippi State

              Cornerback

              1. Antrell Rolle, Miami
              2. Bryant McFadden, Florida State
              3. Carlos Rogers, Auburn
              4. Corey Webster, LSU
              5. Eric Green Virginia Tech

              Punter

              1. Dustin Colquitt, Tennessee
              2. Cole Farder, Oklahoma State
              3. Gary Cook, UNLV
              4. Chris Kluwe, UCLA
              5. Bryce Benekos, UTEP
              If you're saying we need a TE I disagree. However, the other positions are need areas for us.
              John 11: 25-27

              My Adopt-A-Bronco is D.J. Williams



              Thanks Snk16

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              • #37
                Originally posted by RunByDesign
                A few observations and opines:

                We don't need a TE, Jeb is going to be the man.

                While DE and DT are needs, there are guys that are available in FA that could make immediate impacts, if we could land them. I don't see any of those rookies making the same kind of impact, however, I do agree we do need to draft in that area.

                The only CB worth taking out of those five, (Rolle,) will be gone by the time our pick comes around. Our secondary, (should it stay healthy, next year,) should be formidable. I actually think that we need to draft some speed at safety.

                We are never going to draft a punter.
                We drafted Epstien last year and harris in 2001 neither could beat out the incumbent.

                I feel that this is an area that has kept the faider in games over the past few years haveing great lickers. Same goes for SAN and their punter, when we lose 7 yards a punt on every exchange that just places more pressure on the offense.

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by Jrhampton
                  Just where did Jake get 4373 yards this year? The WR accounted for a really big chunk of that 2747 yards 63%

                  You are completely wrong about what we need worst. the D-line cost us games, no pressure means no sacks, or picks, and lots of completed passes.

                  We dropped a bunch of passes last year mainly from assshley watts and putz. tater dropped a couple of sure TD's

                  But we scored enough points in all but 1 game to win if the defense would have held the other team to less than 20 points

                  DEN 34 KC 24 WIN
                  DEN 6 JAX 7 LOSS
                  DEN 23 SAN 13 WIN
                  DEN 16 TPA 13 WIN
                  DEN 20 CAR 17 WIN
                  DEN 31 OAK 3 WIN
                  DEN 10 CIN 23 LOSS
                  DEN 28 ATL 41 LOSS
                  DEN 31 HOU 13 WIN
                  DEN 34 NOL 13 WIN
                  DEN 24 OAK25 LOSS
                  DEN 17 SAN 20 LOSS
                  DEN 20 MIA 17 WIN
                  DEN 17 KC 45 LOSS
                  DEN 37 TEN 16 WIN
                  DEN 33 IND 14 WIN
                  DEN 24 IND 49 LOSS
                  ave 23.8 20.8
                  ave 27.9 14.3 in wins
                  ave 18.0 30.0 in losses

                  What do all the losses have in common except for JAX, the other team all scored 20 or more points on a decent defense. In CIN, ATL, OAK, KC and IND the QB’s had time to have tea and crumpets before they had pressure. could stand back there all day and pick our vaunted defense apart.

                  This illustrates that when we win we win big almost double their scores, when we lost it was by 12.0 points. Three of those games were by 49, 45, and 41 points all of which the QB's had a field day.

                  I repeat WR is not a priority like DT is.
                  That's is right, WR isn't a priority. I read in the Sporting News that Shanahan wouldn't mind adding other wide out but its more want than a actual need.
                  John 11: 25-27

                  My Adopt-A-Bronco is D.J. Williams



                  Thanks Snk16

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by Road_Apples
                    What about the 3rd and 3 to 3rd and inches?

                    This is the reason why we cannot sustain drives making it much harder on our D.
                    Not to mention that we have a crappy punter- it makes it all the more important to have the Offense rolling along. What would be easierr is if we had that killer O line we would be in a 3rd and 3 or less most times as opposed to 3rd and 3+. With the D creeping up to defend against the run which we can get the first down on, the short yardage passing play opens up that much more.

                    You may ahave point here. BUT it will take two or more years to convert our small O-line, to a massive run it down your throats oline that your talking about and lets be frank Mikey is not going to change his scheme to this.

                    He is comfortable with the fast, strong and smart O-linemen he has always had.

                    Even if we were to daft 3-4 of the thi season at best they would be workable in the 2006 season at best.

                    Perhaps we need a JUMBO oline group that only comes in inside the TEN.

                    Mikey is not going to change his stripes.

                    TO RC, the league will not outlaw zone blocking perhaps cut/ chop block more penalized but the zone system is here for the foreseeable future. To many other teams are adapting it.

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by OrangeShadow
                      by mel kiper

                      Tight End

                      1. Alex Smith, Stanford
                      2. Kevin Everett, Miami
                      3. Garrett Cross, California
                      4. Victor Sesay, Missouri
                      5. Adam Bergen, Lehigh

                      Defensive End

                      1. Dan Cody, Oklahoma
                      2. Erasmus James, Wisconsin
                      3. Matt Roth, Iowa
                      4. Marcus Spears, LSU
                      5. David Pollack, Georgia

                      Defensive Tackle

                      1. Travis Johnson, Florida State
                      2. Shaun Cody, USC
                      3. Anttaj Hawthorne, Wisconsin
                      4. Mike Patterson, USC
                      5. Ronald Fields, Mississippi State

                      Cornerback

                      1. Antrell Rolle, Miami
                      2. Bryant McFadden, Florida State
                      3. Carlos Rogers, Auburn
                      4. Corey Webster, LSU
                      5. Eric Green Virginia Tech

                      Punter

                      1. Dustin Colquitt, Tennessee
                      2. Cole Farder, Oklahoma State
                      3. Gary Cook, UNLV
                      4. Chris Kluwe, UCLA
                      5. Bryce Benekos, UTEP
                      These are only seniors, the list does not include underclassmen like Heath Miller.

                      "The Gagne T-shirt jersey comes with a complimentary can of gasoline and a set of matches."

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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by NJBRONCOSFAN
                        We don't need a TE?
                        I forgot, Jeb was huge with those 30 something receptions...just HUGE.
                        Bubba Franks?!?!?! Come on!
                        Bubba Franks had less than 400 yards this season! And that's in an offense who's QB had over 4k yards passing.

                        Heath Miller, he's our man, if he can't do it, no one can!!!

                        As RC mentioned, our red zone offense was absolutely horrible...a playmaking TE could go along way in changing that.
                        Putz really only played about 1/3 of the games, for several different reasons not totally knowledgeable wit all the plays. Used the house as blocking back for runs. Kept him is for some of the passing downs. At the beginning of the year, Carswell was making the catches. Then he dropped off that was when Putz got the chance to shine considering the number of downs he really played this past year his numbers are not all that bad and considering his YAC was second best on the team right behind Rods and then someone else a very distant 3rd.

                        Putz is a work in progress that far out shines any FA on the market. His numbers are rather remarkable considering the amount of playing time he had at the beginning of the year.

                        A newbie is going to take 2-4 years to learn the system. Since everyone on this board believes that assshley is due a 3 year pass on having a break out year.

                        Why should we expect any less from a #1 draft choice at TE?
                        Last edited by JRWIZ; 01-28-2005, 03:53 PM.

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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by Road_Apples
                          you mentioned the benefit: "And a bigger OL is only really a factor in short yardage situations" but who is to say that just because you place large linemen in there they can't "pull linemen to make downfield blocks on screens, sweeps"?
                          Foster didn't do too badly at all, and it gives us that much more confidence - as you mentioned in short yardage, which will open up the TE/WR we have already (which I think are adequate enough). Our TE/WR are reasonably good at run blocking but admittedly could be better.
                          Foster plays on the right side, and the Broncos run most of their screens to the left. And when running a sweep, the guard pulls, not the tackle, so that really has nothing to do with Foster either.
                          I don't have a problem with changing the way we play Offense and yes it will take a couple of years for them to gel, but in the end we will be far better off. Presently we are getting blown off the line a lot esp up the middle. WHatever it takes to give Jake more time to process the information (cuz he just can't process that fast it seems) and far better hole opening for ther run would be the biggest benefit to the Offense.
                          I think the pass blocking is fine, and again, is built around having a mobile pocket that can continue to protect when Jake begins to scramble. They're built for creating cutback lanes and running screens, and when we've done it, it's been highly successful. The reason the OL has been "blown off the line" as you put it has more to do with defenses stacking against the run, and anyone who knows anything about offense will tell you that inconsistent passing kills the running game by allowing the defense to dedicate 8 or 9 defenders to stopping the run, which will also kill your ability to use those bootlegs we love so much.

                          Also, it's a trade-off. A small line is better equipped to defend quick pass rushers. Case in point, Freeney owned Ogden, but Lepsis did great against him. Bigger isn't always better, even at the line.
                          "Pey-Pey to Bay-Bay for the Tay Day!!"

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                          • #43
                            Originally posted by Jrhampton
                            Just where did Jake get 4373 yards this year? The WR accounted for a really big chunk of that 2747 yards 63%

                            You are completely wrong about what we need worst. the D-line cost us games, no pressure means no sacks, or picks, and lots of completed passes.

                            We dropped a bunch of passes last year mainly from assshley watts and putz. tater dropped a couple of sure TD's

                            But we scored enough points in all but 1 game to win if the defense would have held the other team to less than 20 points

                            DEN 34 KC 24 WIN
                            DEN 6 JAX 7 LOSS
                            DEN 23 SAN 13 WIN
                            DEN 16 TPA 13 WIN
                            DEN 20 CAR 17 WIN
                            DEN 31 OAK 3 WIN
                            DEN 10 CIN 23 LOSS
                            DEN 28 ATL 41 LOSS
                            DEN 31 HOU 13 WIN
                            DEN 34 NOL 13 WIN
                            DEN 24 OAK25 LOSS
                            DEN 17 SAN 20 LOSS
                            DEN 20 MIA 17 WIN
                            DEN 17 KC 45 LOSS
                            DEN 37 TEN 16 WIN
                            DEN 33 IND 14 WIN
                            DEN 24 IND 49 LOSS
                            ave 23.8 20.8
                            ave 27.9 14.3 in wins
                            ave 18.0 30.0 in losses

                            What do all the losses have in common except for JAX, the other team all scored 20 or more points on a decent defense. In CIN, ATL, OAK, KC and IND the QB’s had time to have tea and crumpets before they had pressure. could stand back there all day and pick our vaunted defense apart.

                            This illustrates that when we win we win big almost double their scores, when we lost it was by 12.0 points. Three of those games were by 49, 45, and 41 points all of which the QB's had a field day.

                            I repeat WR is not a priority like DT is.
                            I'm not concerned about Jake's yardage. I'm concerned about his efficiency. A disproportionate amount of that yardage was between the 20's, but inside the 20 is where our problems lie. Also, as far as scores are concerned, I'm not disputing that in those losses we gave up lots of points. A good proportion of that had to do with our inability to SCORE points in the redzone, our tendency to turn the ball over, our repulsive field position given up on special teams, and our inability to control the clock. Just looking at the points allowed tells a small part of the story.

                            I agree that DT is a priority for the defense, but without a consistent receiving threat, our defensive numbers will continue to falter.
                            Last edited by Lomax; 01-28-2005, 12:38 PM.
                            "Pey-Pey to Bay-Bay for the Tay Day!!"

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                            • #44
                              Nfl Draft Countdown

                              1) DT - There are a lot of solid players on the interior but they lack a difference maker

                              2) TE - Shannon Sharpe retired too late for them to adequately replace him last offseason

                              3) DE - A replacement for pass rush specialist Bertrand Berry would help

                              4) QB - Jake Plummer will likely be there for a while but they need a reliable backup option

                              5) LB - Depth must be replenished after losing John Mobley and Ian Gold last offseason

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                              • #45
                                That is an old list, Kiper has Heath Miller as the top TE now. Heck I think he has him as a top 5 player.

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