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  • I think we should go corner or Tight end in the first round.

    There arent that many d lineman if any that will make an immediate impact if we draft them first round. If we go corner there are some very good ones in this draft marlin jackson comes to mind. If we can get heath miller he would help out the red zone situation tremendously.
    If we still want to go d lineman high we could trade reub for a high second rounder and get someone like chris canty or mike patterson. My thing is why not go tight end or corner then just draft lineman high second??



  • #2
    Here's a mock..

    that agrees...I'd be happy with Miller and Tuck. Two huge needs...

    http://www.draftboardinsider.com/pla...raft_2005.html

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    • #3
      I highly doubt we will draft a TE. As M. Gan said yesterday, its way to early to have even a semi accurate mock draft available. With that said when april comes I really hope we dont draft a TE in the first. That would be a waste since Putzier played well and is relatively young. Also we have Carswell who is an awesome run blocker and he can also catch. We do need a TE, but i say take one in the later rounds. IMO our first pick has to be on defense, either on the line or a CB if we cant re-sign Walls or someone of his caliber. The biggest problem is the defensive line, something has to be done in free agency or the draft. Im sure Shanny knows this.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by BroncoStampede
        I highly doubt we will draft a TE. As M. Gan said yesterday, its way to early to have even a semi accurate mock draft available. With that said when april comes I really hope we dont draft a TE in the first. That would be a waste since Putzier played well and is relatively young. Also we have Carswell who is an awesome run blocker and he can also catch. We do need a TE, but i say take one in the later rounds. IMO our first pick has to be on defense, either on the line or a CB if we cant re-sign Walls or someone of his caliber. The biggest problem is the defensive line, something has to be done in free agency or the draft. Im sure Shanny knows this.
        No matter how good Putz plays, if theres a Tight End that has more raw talent available when we pick (heath Miller) then Id say take him. Competetion is great and you know you cant go wrong, plus you could always trade the underachiever if hes that good to another team for multiple picks the following year, so no its not a waste at all! And I guarantee you that if Miller is on the board when we pick, Shanny will take him! He took Terry Pierce even though he had Al Wilson.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by PrimeTime
          He took Terry Pierce even though he had Al Wilson.
          He took Pierce because he didn't know if they would/could resign Al.
          I think its a little early for these mock drafts. Pacman Jones is going in the top 10 maybe top 5, and this one has him going to SD @ 27.

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          • #6
            Pac-Man? Bust...

            Why would someone use a top 5 draft pick on a player who will take Ahmad Carroll's spot as most penalized young cornerback, next season?

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            • #7
              Originally posted by In-com-plete
              He took Pierce because he didn't know if they would/could resign Al.
              I think its a little early for these mock drafts. Pacman Jones is going in the top 10 maybe top 5, and this one has him going to SD @ 27.
              Oh c-mon he knew Al would re-sign, he was even ready to slapp the franchise tag on him. But anyway Jeb is soon to be a free agent anyway so maybe he'll draft a TE incase he dont think he would/could resign Jeb. My point was he'll take the best player on the board, next time quote my whole statement.
              Last edited by Sam_Z; 01-26-2005, 12:58 PM.

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              • #8
                Seriously guys, rookie tight ends hardly ever contribute, we need a senior D lineman like shaun cody or hawthorne, someone mature and who can step in at a position of need.

                I like my defensive tackles like I like my women: well over 300 lbs.
                ABWRFRC

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by OrangeShadow
                  There arent that many d lineman if any that will make an immediate impact if we draft them first round. If we go corner there are some very good ones in this draft marlin jackson comes to mind. If we can get heath miller he would help out the red zone situation tremendously.
                  If we still want to go d lineman high we could trade reub for a high second rounder and get someone like chris canty or mike patterson. My thing is why not go tight end or corner then just draft lineman high second??

                  We'll be in a position to get a Defensive Lineman who can make an impact only in the first round.


                  Chris Canty blows, he's so injury prone.

                  Justin Tuck, are you joking?

                  The longer we wait to get a lineman, the worse they get. Hence your first sentence, "there aren't many defensive lineman that can make an immediate impact." Thus, us waiting longer will only enhance our chances of getting a mediocre defensive lineman. That's our most pressing need and has been for several years now.

                  You know how well we do with drafting CB's in round one. We have plenty of guys who can do the job but we had bad injuries all year to our CB core and it was devistated. LeSeuer can be a great corner in the future and it was a shame that he was on IR all season long. I can see us taking a cornerback in the second round or with the picks we get for Droughns (if he is traded) or the compensation picks for Bertrand Berry and Ian Gold (which should equate out to a third rounder).

                  Why would we need a tight end? Heath Miller isn't a high caliber guy.

                  Heath Miller has just about as much talent as Jeb Putzier, Putzier knows the system, therefore he's better. He's just as good as an athlete and he's even a better blocker than Miller, (which is hard to believe but he is).

                  PrimeTime; I strongly disagree with you, we won't be picking Heath Miller. I've stated so many points to all the "Miller Praisers" and not one of them was able to come back with a logical argument against what I have had to say. If you'd like me to repeat to you those same exact arguments, I'd be more than happy to do so.

                  Give me one reason why Putzier isn't good enough for the job, honestly.

                  Look at his stats and they're darn good. Remember he's usually working in a two-tight end set, where Carswell is on the field too. Take all the numbers of the ends we have and add them together to form one "elite" end and their numbers are comparable to that of Gonzalez, Gates, Witten, etc. Remember that we have enough options on the field so our tight end isn't either the #1 or #2 target on each play.

                  You look at Shannon's numbers and when they were high, it's because we didn't have two solid receivers. Shannon's numbers decreased when Eddy started getting more throws his way. Remember Shannon was with the Ravens when Eddy and Rod had their huge years.

                  You can never expect for us to have a replacement to Sharpe. Not even close.

                  Putzier right now is the next best thing and we'll be able to re-sign him for cheap.

                  Heath Miller isn't the best player on the board at #25 -- my guess is he could be gone by then or he'll slip on by and go to a team like the Jets.

                  No way are we talking a cornerback or tight end with our first pick.
                  Last edited by Dream; 01-26-2005, 03:06 PM.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by OrangeShadow
                    There arent that many d lineman if any that will make an immediate impact if we draft them first round. If we go corner there are some very good ones in this draft marlin jackson comes to mind. If we can get heath miller he would help out the red zone situation tremendously.
                    If we still want to go d lineman high we could trade reub for a high second rounder and get someone like chris canty or mike patterson. My thing is why not go tight end or corner then just draft lineman high second??
                    I'll be happy if Shanahan & Company never draft a cornerback again. They should stick to running backs and linebackers. In fact, why not draft entirely running backs and linebackers and then trade them to other teams since everybody knows they'll be good. We could trade them for cornerbacks and maybe a few receivers since we've had little luck (Lelie breaking that trend?) in those areas.
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Javalon
                      I'll be happy if Shanahan & Company never draft a cornerback again. They should stick to running backs and linebackers. In fact, why not draft entirely running backs and linebackers and then trade them to other teams since everybody knows they'll be good. We could trade them for cornerbacks and maybe a few receivers since we've had little luck (Lelie breaking that trend?) in those areas.


                      I think Lelie is still coming along a little slower than he should. He can only get the deep balls. DB's are all over him inside 20 yards of the LOS. He has great top speed but slow acceleration and he still gets man handled. He can't escape under 20 yards, his only choice is to out run them with his top speed, hence 20 yards per catch average.
                      Last edited by The Dark Knight; 01-26-2005, 03:29 PM.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by The Dark Knight
                        I think Lelie is still coming along a little slower than he should. He can only get the deep balls. DB's are all over him inside 20 yards of the LOS. He has great top speed but slow acceleration and he still gets man handled. He can't escape under 20 yards, his only choice is to out run them with his top speed, hence 20 yards per catch average.

                        I'd also like to mention that hindsight is 20/20 and I have 20 other ways to say 20.
                        Last edited by The Dark Knight; 01-26-2005, 03:29 PM.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by PrimeTime
                          Oh c-mon he knew Al would re-sign, he was even ready to slapp the franchise tag on him. But anyway Jeb is soon to be a free agent anyway so maybe he'll draft a TE incase he dont think he would/could resign Jeb. My point was he'll take the best player on the board, next time quote my whole statement.
                          Denver always takes the best player on the board.

                          Pierce wasn't the best player on the board in the 2003 draft. I remember the "experts" questioning that pick and saying he was raw. They said it was probably just in case Denver couldn't sign Al. I know he got hurt last year, but why was he an ILB, and then this year switched to OLB?

                          Am I not allowed to quote part of a statement? I as anyone else can quote a little, alot, or the whole ******* thing!

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                          • #14
                            Our first round pick will be a DE, that's a positive.

                            Heath Miller won't be around at 25, and I'm inclined to keep Putzier and draft for defense.

                            However, if we lose Putzier in FA, then, and only then, do I believe we may trade up and make a play at Miller. I do not believe that will happen though. But if we lose Putzier, TE becomes a serious issue. Of course, Bubba Franks is a possibility in that situation as well.

                            In the second round, the quality D-linemen will be gone. You may have a "reach" DT available that might be worth a gamble, but the second round looks pretty strong for O-linemen, specifically guards. Depending on our FA success, I could see this pick going towards an interior lineman.

                            It's really too early to tell, but it seems to me DE at pick 25 is a lock, and the 2nd round pick is completely best player available.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Mat'hir Uth Gan
                              Our first round pick will be a DE, that's a positive.

                              Heath Miller won't be around at 25, and I'm inclined to keep Putzier and draft for defense.

                              However, if we lose Putzier in FA, then, and only then, do I believe we may trade up and make a play at Miller. I do not believe that will happen though. But if we lose Putzier, TE becomes a serious issue. Of course, Bubba Franks is a possibility in that situation as well.

                              In the second round, the quality D-linemen will be gone. You may have a "reach" DT available that might be worth a gamble, but the second round looks pretty strong for O-linemen, specifically guards. Depending on our FA success, I could see this pick going towards an interior lineman.

                              It's really too early to tell, but it seems to me DE at pick 25 is a lock, and the 2nd round pick is completely best player available.
                              do you think eramus james will be there and is he the best DE? (i watch little college football, being from england)

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