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  • Mat'hir Uth Gan
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    I would rather resign Marco Coleman then get Wiley. At least with Coleman, you know what you are getting, and he played well last year in his role.

    I don't think Wiley would come cheap. I think he would ask for a significant salary, if he could be brought in cheap, then sure, he's a stop gap.

    Courtney Brown's rookie season was very solid. 70 tackles, 4.5 sacks. His 2002 and 2003 shortened campaigns were decent-good. The only risk with him is health. The talent is there and he's a great DE. He just has to avoid the injury bug. But there is no risk on talent.

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  • OhNoKoolAid
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    Originally posted by Black59Razor
    I think that:

    a) Your assumption that Courtney Brown of all players is better is wrong....at least Wiley has done it for a couple of years....Brown has never done a thing except occupy IR...

    b) Wiley has a greater "ceiling", that is to say...he's twenty-nine and healthy.
    I don't need a bunch of stats to drive my opinion...stats don't always tell the entire story. Brown is younger, but he is already breaking down. Wiley was not horrible in San Diego, just not what the Chargers thought they were playing for.

    c) Again one of my better friends is a Cowboys fan, who knows what he is talking about and he thought Wiley got a bad rap in Dallas....again, he signed to make his father happy, but it turned out to be a bad fit. That does not mean he is done.

    If you qualify a player who is reaching the end, that usually means he is either breaking down generally, or has a chronic physical problem (like C Brown's knee)....neither of which are the case with Wiley...go ahead, discount him....we'll see where he winds up and how he does.


    Bottom line: He's better than Courtney Brown, who the Redskins are probably willing to outspend us on....and, as you mentioned, the others are Tackles....

    I am not infatuated with Wiley, as you suggest, just realize he is the best of limited options for the Broncos at this point.....


    He reeks of the type of cast-off player that the Patriots pick up...a player that has limited leverage, yet has ability and has shown the ability in the past to be a very good player, which he has....and no physical deterents...

    What exactly is his downside? He will not be expensive. He is an Ivy leaguer, so he is no dummy...he is not a character-problem guy...

    The best NFL teams find diamonds in the rough where others don't see them.

    Will Wiley be this type of player? Well, there are no guarantees...but as you probably have studied in Law School, the idea here is minimalize risk, and maximize potential reward......considering C Brown's health, and the fact that Wiley has played at a border-line Pro-Bowl level in the past leads me to believe the right place could allow him to excel...


    Call it an educated guess if you like...
    You are wrong again.

    Wiley will be 31 in the middle of next season. He IS on the downside of his career, because he no longer has the quickness he had three years ago during his productive seasons. He HAS had injury troubles with his back, which is likely what sapped his quickness.

    Oh, and I too have a close friend who is a Cowboy diehard, and he wanted to make Wiley his hunting partner, if you know what I mean. He was extatic to here Wiley would be shipped out of town, and he, like many Cowboy fans AND personnel, thought he quit on the team half way through the season.

    I guy in his thirties who has noticed a drop in his production rarely recovers it. It would be a loss of valuable cap space if he was brought in. Denver would be better off using the money on an undrafted free agent than on Wiley.

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  • OhNoKoolAid
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    Originally posted by Black59Razor
    Marcellus Wiley is as good or better than any of the other players mentioned in this thread...
    We had this discussion earlier, and I don't want to dig the statisitics back up, but Marco Coleman and Marcellus Wiley are essentially the same player. Wiley played more than Coleman and slightly better stats, but if you could ratio the performances over the total snaps taken, I would be shocked if Wiley came out on top. Wiley will not return to past levels of performance becaue he is past 30 and on the downside of his career. He lacks explosiveness and the lower body to hold up at left end, which is where he would have to play because he can no longer rush the passer.

    With your passion for Wiley, and desire to acquire Chad Brown from Seattle, I find it funny when you bash Shanahan for poor decision-making. At least come up with better ideas than this before you attack someone.

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  • bleedbluorange
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    Originally posted by Javalon
    According to the Denver Post, we've had a number of defensive linemen coming in for interviews recently. These guys are most likely cheap options to fortify the line. I know you can't tell everything from stat but I'll list them anyway. What to do you think about any of these guys?
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    [B]Chartric Darby [/B] - Buccaneers - Position: DT - Height: 6-0 - Weight: 298 - Born: 10/22/1975
    Year	G	Total	Tckl	Ast	Sacks	Int	Yds	Avg	Lg	TD	Pass Def
    2001	13	7	6	1	2	0	0	0	0	0	0
    2002	16	27	21	6	1.5	0	0	0	0	0	0
    2003	16	12	8	4	2	0	0	0	0	0	1
    2004	16	49	39	10	0	0	0	0	0	0	0
    TOTAL	61	95	74	21	5.5	0	0	0	0	0	1
    
    [B]Tony Williams [/B] - Bengals - Position: DT - Height: 6-2 - Weight: 296 - Born: 07/09/1975
    Year	G	Total	Tckl	Ast	Sacks	Int	Yds	Avg	Lg	TD	Pass Def
    1997	6	12	9	3	0	0	0	0	0	0	0
    1998	14	36	26	10	1	0	0	0	0	0	0
    1999	16	46	31	15	5	0	0	0	0	0	2
    2000	14	33	27	6	4	0	0	0	0	0	0
    2001	13	38	15	23	5	0	0	0	0	0	1
    2002	16	42	30	12	5	0	0	0	0	0	0
    2003	16	37	27	10	2	0	0	0	0	0	0
    2004	6	16	10	6	0	0	0	0	0	0	0
    TOTAL	101	260	175	85	22	0	0	0	0	0	3
    
    [B]Ed Jasper [/B] - Falcons - Position: DT - Height: 6-2 - Weight: 293 - Born: 01/18/1973
    Year	G	Total	Tckl	Ast	Sacks	Int	Yds	Avg	Lg	TD	Pass Def
    1997	10	9	6	3	1	0	0	0	0	0	0
    1998	7	13	11	2	0	0	0	0	0	0	1
    1999	13	28	23	5	0	0	0	0	0	0	0
    2000	15	41	30	11	3.5	0	0	0	0	0	0
    2001	16	25	20	5	3.5	0	0	0	0	0	2
    2002	16	35	29	6	2	0	0	0	0	0	1
    2003	14	40	34	6	3	0	0	0	0	0	0
    2004	12	32	25	7	2	0	0	0	0	0	0
    TOTAL	103	223	178	45	15	0	0	0	0	0	4

    We also had Courtney Brown in but I didn't list him because the Redskins suddenly seem to be in love with him. So, any of these guys worthwhile?
    Scrubs Scrubs Scrubs

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  • rcsodak
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    Originally posted by Mat'hir Uth Gan
    He had one good season in 2000. Good DEs should make around 75 tackles per season and record 8+ sacks. Wiley could rush the passer in this younger days, but now he looks completely used up and can't even do that anymore. Signing him would be like throwing money in a barrel and lighting it on fire.
    I agree with you, mug.....
    For some reason, even while being a 'raven fan'....razor thought denver should pick him up.
    Funny he's still sold on him while being a 'bronco fan'.....

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  • Mat'hir Uth Gan
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    Originally posted by rcsodak
    # 75 Marcellus Wiley
    Position: DE
    Height: 6-4
    Weight: 278
    Born: 11/30/1974
    College: Columbia
    NFL Experience: 9

    DEFENSIVE STATS

    Year Team G Total Tckl Ast Sacks Int Yds Avg Lg TD Pass Def
    2000 Buffalo Bills 16 65 40.0 25 10.5 0 0 0.0 0 0 1


    AVG.
    15.5 games
    37.75 tackles
    5.5 sacks
    .9375 ints
    1.49 passes defended

    All this after following arguably his worst season since year 1.
    And I wouldn't blame it on Dallas......don't good players excel regardless of their surroundings?

    He had one good season in 2000. Good DEs should make around 75 tackles per season and record 8+ sacks. Wiley could rush the passer in this younger days, but now he looks completely used up and can't even do that anymore. Signing him would be like throwing money in a barrel and lighting it on fire.

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  • Mat'hir Uth Gan
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    Originally posted by Black59Razor
    Marcellus Wiley is as good or better than any of the other players mentioned in this thread...
    No other DEs were mentioned in this thread outside of Brown, and Wiley certainly is not as good as Brown if both stay healthy.


    I agree with you about ~75% of the time, but you have GOT to explain this infatuation with Wiley. He has been bad the last two seasons even though he's been healthy.

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  • rcsodak
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    Originally posted by Black59Razor
    Marcellus Wiley is as good or better than any of the other players mentioned in this thread...
    # 75 Marcellus Wiley
    Position: DE
    Height: 6-4
    Weight: 278
    Born: 11/30/1974
    College: Columbia
    NFL Experience: 9

    DEFENSIVE STATS

    Year Team G Total Tckl Ast Sacks Int Yds Avg Lg TD Pass Def
    1997 Buffalo Bills 16 16 12.0 4 0 0 0 0.0 0 0 0
    1998 Buffalo Bills 16 24 17.0 7 3.5 0 0 0.0 0 0 1
    1999 Buffalo Bills 16 25 19.0 6 5 1 52 52.0 52 0 1
    2000 Buffalo Bills 16 65 40.0 25 10.5 0 0 0.0 0 0 1
    2001 San Diego Chargers 14 48 38.0 10 13 0 0 0.0 0 0 0
    2002 San Diego Chargers 14 35 30.0 5 6 1 40 40.0 40 0 4
    2003 San Diego Chargers 16 51 38.0 13 3 0 0 0.0 0 0 4
    2004 Dallas Cowboys 16 38 31.0 7 3 0 0 0.0 0 0 0
    TOTAL 124 302 225.0 77 44 2 92 46.0 52 0 11

    AVG.
    15.5 games
    37.75 tackles
    5.5 sacks
    .9375 ints
    1.49 passes defended
    All this after following arguably his worst season since year 1.
    And I wouldn't blame it on Dallas......don't good players excel regardless of their surroundings?

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  • DPg2003
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    The only Free Agent D-Linemen the Broncos need to be concerned about are Ellis Johnson, Tony Williams(if we can't sign E. Johnson), Marques Douglas, and Courtney Brown. After that it's best to find players in the Draft.

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  • Javalon
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    Originally posted by Caliraiderhater
    with Plummer restructuring his contract for a second time i think we will be able to make a pretty strong push for courtney brown with the cap we have now! he would get to move to a winning team and still be on the d-line with a former team mate and coach! plus the extra money i dont see it as such a long shot anymore! i want him to be a bronco!!!
    I wouldn't mind giving Brown a shot...IF he came cheap. But he is too risky to put a lot of money into him, in my opinion. If the salary cap happy (insane) Redskins are our competition for signing him, we're better off letting him go.

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  • defense!!!
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    Originally posted by Caliraiderhater
    with Plummer restructuring his contract for a second time i think we will be able to make a pretty strong push for courtney brown with the cap we have now! he would get to move to a winning team and still be on the d-line with a former team mate and coach! plus the extra money i dont see it as such a long shot anymore! i want him to be a bronco!!!
    ME TOO MY FRIEND!!! ME TOO!!!

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  • Caliraiderhater
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    with Plummer restructuring his contract for a second time i think we will be able to make a pretty strong push for courtney brown with the cap we have now! he would get to move to a winning team and still be on the d-line with a former team mate and coach! plus the extra money i dont see it as such a long shot anymore! i want him to be a bronco!!!

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  • bornbroncofan
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    tony would be our best bet

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  • defense!!!
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    I say we should go for Tony Williams.

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  • PRBronco
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    Well, can't say I've seen any of them play, they all seem a little undersized (not even 300 lbs.) but darby might be alright, as a nose tackle or something. All in all not a very glamorous bunch though eh? You remember after getting his ankle busted when tony williams flexed for the crowd in cinci? Jesus those were big arms, he gets points for that at least.

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