I would rather resign Marco Coleman then get Wiley. At least with Coleman, you know what you are getting, and he played well last year in his role.
I don't think Wiley would come cheap. I think he would ask for a significant salary, if he could be brought in cheap, then sure, he's a stop gap.
Courtney Brown's rookie season was very solid. 70 tackles, 4.5 sacks. His 2002 and 2003 shortened campaigns were decent-good. The only risk with him is health. The talent is there and he's a great DE. He just has to avoid the injury bug. But there is no risk on talent.
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Originally posted by Black59RazorI think that:
a) Your assumption that Courtney Brown of all players is better is wrong....at least Wiley has done it for a couple of years....Brown has never done a thing except occupy IR...
b) Wiley has a greater "ceiling", that is to say...he's twenty-nine and healthy.
I don't need a bunch of stats to drive my opinion...stats don't always tell the entire story. Brown is younger, but he is already breaking down. Wiley was not horrible in San Diego, just not what the Chargers thought they were playing for.
c) Again one of my better friends is a Cowboys fan, who knows what he is talking about and he thought Wiley got a bad rap in Dallas....again, he signed to make his father happy, but it turned out to be a bad fit. That does not mean he is done.
If you qualify a player who is reaching the end, that usually means he is either breaking down generally, or has a chronic physical problem (like C Brown's knee)....neither of which are the case with Wiley...go ahead, discount him....we'll see where he winds up and how he does.
Bottom line: He's better than Courtney Brown, who the Redskins are probably willing to outspend us on....and, as you mentioned, the others are Tackles....
I am not infatuated with Wiley, as you suggest, just realize he is the best of limited options for the Broncos at this point.....
He reeks of the type of cast-off player that the Patriots pick up...a player that has limited leverage, yet has ability and has shown the ability in the past to be a very good player, which he has....and no physical deterents...
What exactly is his downside? He will not be expensive. He is an Ivy leaguer, so he is no dummy...he is not a character-problem guy...
The best NFL teams find diamonds in the rough where others don't see them.
Will Wiley be this type of player? Well, there are no guarantees...but as you probably have studied in Law School, the idea here is minimalize risk, and maximize potential reward......considering C Brown's health, and the fact that Wiley has played at a border-line Pro-Bowl level in the past leads me to believe the right place could allow him to excel...
Call it an educated guess if you like...
Wiley will be 31 in the middle of next season. He IS on the downside of his career, because he no longer has the quickness he had three years ago during his productive seasons. He HAS had injury troubles with his back, which is likely what sapped his quickness.
Oh, and I too have a close friend who is a Cowboy diehard, and he wanted to make Wiley his hunting partner, if you know what I mean. He was extatic to here Wiley would be shipped out of town, and he, like many Cowboy fans AND personnel, thought he quit on the team half way through the season.
I guy in his thirties who has noticed a drop in his production rarely recovers it. It would be a loss of valuable cap space if he was brought in. Denver would be better off using the money on an undrafted free agent than on Wiley.
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Originally posted by Black59RazorMarcellus Wiley is as good or better than any of the other players mentioned in this thread...
With your passion for Wiley, and desire to acquire Chad Brown from Seattle, I find it funny when you bash Shanahan for poor decision-making. At least come up with better ideas than this before you attack someone.
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Originally posted by JavalonAccording to the Denver Post, we've had a number of defensive linemen coming in for interviews recently. These guys are most likely cheap options to fortify the line. I know you can't tell everything from stat but I'll list them anyway. What to do you think about any of these guys?
Code:[B]Chartric Darby [/B] - Buccaneers - Position: DT - Height: 6-0 - Weight: 298 - Born: 10/22/1975 Year G Total Tckl Ast Sacks Int Yds Avg Lg TD Pass Def 2001 13 7 6 1 2 0 0 0 0 0 0 2002 16 27 21 6 1.5 0 0 0 0 0 0 2003 16 12 8 4 2 0 0 0 0 0 1 2004 16 49 39 10 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 TOTAL 61 95 74 21 5.5 0 0 0 0 0 1 [B]Tony Williams [/B] - Bengals - Position: DT - Height: 6-2 - Weight: 296 - Born: 07/09/1975 Year G Total Tckl Ast Sacks Int Yds Avg Lg TD Pass Def 1997 6 12 9 3 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1998 14 36 26 10 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 1999 16 46 31 15 5 0 0 0 0 0 2 2000 14 33 27 6 4 0 0 0 0 0 0 2001 13 38 15 23 5 0 0 0 0 0 1 2002 16 42 30 12 5 0 0 0 0 0 0 2003 16 37 27 10 2 0 0 0 0 0 0 2004 6 16 10 6 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 TOTAL 101 260 175 85 22 0 0 0 0 0 3 [B]Ed Jasper [/B] - Falcons - Position: DT - Height: 6-2 - Weight: 293 - Born: 01/18/1973 Year G Total Tckl Ast Sacks Int Yds Avg Lg TD Pass Def 1997 10 9 6 3 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 1998 7 13 11 2 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 1999 13 28 23 5 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 2000 15 41 30 11 3.5 0 0 0 0 0 0 2001 16 25 20 5 3.5 0 0 0 0 0 2 2002 16 35 29 6 2 0 0 0 0 0 1 2003 14 40 34 6 3 0 0 0 0 0 0 2004 12 32 25 7 2 0 0 0 0 0 0 TOTAL 103 223 178 45 15 0 0 0 0 0 4
We also had Courtney Brown in but I didn't list him because the Redskins suddenly seem to be in love with him. So, any of these guys worthwhile?
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Originally posted by Mat'hir Uth GanHe had one good season in 2000. Good DEs should make around 75 tackles per season and record 8+ sacks. Wiley could rush the passer in this younger days, but now he looks completely used up and can't even do that anymore. Signing him would be like throwing money in a barrel and lighting it on fire.
For some reason, even while being a 'raven fan'....razor thought denver should pick him up.
Funny he's still sold on him while being a 'bronco fan'.....
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Originally posted by rcsodak# 75 Marcellus Wiley
Position: DE
Height: 6-4
Weight: 278
Born: 11/30/1974
College: Columbia
NFL Experience: 9
DEFENSIVE STATS
Year Team G Total Tckl Ast Sacks Int Yds Avg Lg TD Pass Def
2000 Buffalo Bills 16 65 40.0 25 10.5 0 0 0.0 0 0 1
AVG.
15.5 games
37.75 tackles
5.5 sacks
.9375 ints
1.49 passes defended
All this after following arguably his worst season since year 1.
And I wouldn't blame it on Dallas......don't good players excel regardless of their surroundings?
He had one good season in 2000. Good DEs should make around 75 tackles per season and record 8+ sacks. Wiley could rush the passer in this younger days, but now he looks completely used up and can't even do that anymore. Signing him would be like throwing money in a barrel and lighting it on fire.
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Originally posted by Black59RazorMarcellus Wiley is as good or better than any of the other players mentioned in this thread...
I agree with you about ~75% of the time, but you have GOT to explain this infatuation with Wiley. He has been bad the last two seasons even though he's been healthy.
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Originally posted by Black59RazorMarcellus Wiley is as good or better than any of the other players mentioned in this thread...
Position: DE
Height: 6-4
Weight: 278
Born: 11/30/1974
College: Columbia
NFL Experience: 9
DEFENSIVE STATS
Year Team G Total Tckl Ast Sacks Int Yds Avg Lg TD Pass Def
1997 Buffalo Bills 16 16 12.0 4 0 0 0 0.0 0 0 0
1998 Buffalo Bills 16 24 17.0 7 3.5 0 0 0.0 0 0 1
1999 Buffalo Bills 16 25 19.0 6 5 1 52 52.0 52 0 1
2000 Buffalo Bills 16 65 40.0 25 10.5 0 0 0.0 0 0 1
2001 San Diego Chargers 14 48 38.0 10 13 0 0 0.0 0 0 0
2002 San Diego Chargers 14 35 30.0 5 6 1 40 40.0 40 0 4
2003 San Diego Chargers 16 51 38.0 13 3 0 0 0.0 0 0 4
2004 Dallas Cowboys 16 38 31.0 7 3 0 0 0.0 0 0 0
TOTAL 124 302 225.0 77 44 2 92 46.0 52 0 11
AVG.
15.5 games
37.75 tackles
5.5 sacks
.9375 ints
1.49 passes defended
All this after following arguably his worst season since year 1.
And I wouldn't blame it on Dallas......don't good players excel regardless of their surroundings?
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The only Free Agent D-Linemen the Broncos need to be concerned about are Ellis Johnson, Tony Williams(if we can't sign E. Johnson), Marques Douglas, and Courtney Brown. After that it's best to find players in the Draft.
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Originally posted by Caliraiderhaterwith Plummer restructuring his contract for a second time i think we will be able to make a pretty strong push for courtney brown with the cap we have now! he would get to move to a winning team and still be on the d-line with a former team mate and coach! plus the extra money i dont see it as such a long shot anymore! i want him to be a bronco!!!
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Originally posted by Caliraiderhaterwith Plummer restructuring his contract for a second time i think we will be able to make a pretty strong push for courtney brown with the cap we have now! he would get to move to a winning team and still be on the d-line with a former team mate and coach! plus the extra money i dont see it as such a long shot anymore! i want him to be a bronco!!!
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with Plummer restructuring his contract for a second time i think we will be able to make a pretty strong push for courtney brown with the cap we have now! he would get to move to a winning team and still be on the d-line with a former team mate and coach! plus the extra money i dont see it as such a long shot anymore! i want him to be a bronco!!!
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Well, can't say I've seen any of them play, they all seem a little undersized (not even 300 lbs.) but darby might be alright, as a nose tackle or something. All in all not a very glamorous bunch though eh? You remember after getting his ankle busted when tony williams flexed for the crowd in cinci? Jesus those were big arms, he gets points for that at least.
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