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  • #31
    Originally posted by Black59Razor
    Boy, Shaun Cody better check out medically if yer gonna make him your pick......***cough, cough...Willie Middlebrooks....cough, cough....Paul Toviessi...***
    Can you explain this a bit more please. I understand you are saying he is going to choke due to your Middlebrook and Toviessi comment. But don't know why.

    I have looked all over the place for medical problems and this was all I could find:

    INJURY REPORT ON SHAUN CODY

    2002 -- Suffered torn ligaments in his right knee vs. California (10/12), missing the final seven games of the season. He also sat out 2003 spring drills while continuing to recover from his injury.

    He has proven to be past these injuries the last two years so I'm not sure what you're referring to that he better check out medically. Can you explain? Thanks!

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    • #32
      Originally posted by eabort
      This is extremely tough at this point but with the recent DL signings and reading up on Brown (see below) iwould have to go with Jammal Brown.

      OVERVIEW of J. Brown:
      Brown has exceptional athletic ability, blending speed with power. He has led the team in blocking consistency the last two years, grading highest among the down linemen in 20 of 26 contests. He is smooth and sudden coming out of his stance and has developed that aggressive nature that is a trait you will find in most standout tackles.

      Regarded as one of the top ten defensive tackles in the nation coming out of McArthur High School, Brown was a first-team all-state choice that played both sides of the ball and ended his senior season with 70 unassisted tackles, nine sacks and 15 quarterback hurries. He was a partial qualifier when he reported to Oklahoma in 2000, then suffered a knee injury and was granted a medial redshirt in 2000. He played sparingly in 2001, but took over the right tackle slot as a junior, registering 80 knockdown blocks while being penalized just once in 2002.

      He posted 127 knockdowns and earned first-team All-America honors in 2003 while allowing only one sack. Blessed with tremendous speed for a lineman, he brought the Oklahoma fans to their feet in the UCLA game when he ran down Bruins linebacker Spencer Havner to make the tackle at the end of a 72-yard interception return.

      He continued his dominance in 2004, as he did not allow a sack, pressure or tackle in three games (Texas, Houston, Oklahoma State) and no sacks in any contest, as he collected 130 knockdowns for the season. He showed marked improvement in picking up stunts and the edge rush. He also has improved greatly in his ability to chip and land when working in the second level. On sheer athletic ability alone, he's worth a first-round pick.
      If Brown drops to us, I agree with you that Shanahan should pick him, unless somebody amazing falls to us like Pac-Man.

      Brown could start at guard this season, or move Foster to left tackle, Lepsis to right guard and stick Brown in the right tackle spot. It is always good to invest in your offensive line, if we got Brown this year, him and Foster would give us 2 great anchors for years to come.

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      • #33
        Originally posted by Black59Razor
        He is said to have a back problem, and is currently falling in the Draft if you believe
        reports....this is all I know.....but you don't want a DT or a DE with a serious back problem......


        So the question is, how severe is it? What do your doctors think about his prognosis....

        The Middlebrooks/Toviessi take was simply that we drafted those players knowing they were damaged goods when we took them....if Shanahan were to do the same (again) with Cody, and he medically could not hack it in a year or two, the natives (me) would get REAL restless with that pick...

        I like Cody...if he checks out, I would be OK with his selection....BUT, that is the
        unknown at this point...
        He's checked out. It was some sort of muscle strain that was overlooked, he has a weak back and needs to build it up in the weight room. He has concentrated too much on other parts of his body and this has made him unproportional which is putting a strain on his back.

        Its not spinal related though, so Shaun Cody should be right back in the mix to be picked in the 20-32 range. He fits well with our team with his versatility ala a young Trevor Pryce, so I'm fine if we pick him, infact I think it would be smart. I think Patterson is clearly a better pass rushing DT, but he's limited to that role while Cody provides depth at LDE. This is key if we retain Courtney Brown longterm as his durability will always be a concern, and i doubt we keep Pryce much longer then this season unless he restructures every offseason.

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        • #34
          Originally posted by Black59Razor
          He is said to have a back problem, and is currently falling in the Draft if you believe
          reports....this is all I know.....but you don't want a DT or a DE with a serious back problem......


          So the question is, how severe is it? What do your doctors think about his prognosis....

          The Middlebrooks/Toviessi take was simply that we drafted those players knowing they were damaged goods when we took them....if Shanahan were to do the same (again) with Cody, and he medically could not hack it in a year or two, the natives (me) would get REAL restless with that pick...

          I like Cody...if he checks out, I would be OK with his selection....BUT, that is the
          unknown at this point...
          Thanks Razor!! You are right, if he has a back problem this would not make sense because we are already having to hope Pryce is able to recover.

          I'm sure the medical staff either has or will spend a good amount of time with him or any first rounder we are interested in. At least I hope.

          Thanks for indicating you would be a restless native in this case. Made me laugh.

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          • #35
            Originally posted by Mat'hir Uth Gan
            He's checked out. It was some sort of muscle strain that was overlooked, he has a weak back and needs to build it up in the weight room. He has concentrated too much on other parts of his body and this has made him unproportional which is putting a strain on his back.

            Its not spinal related though, so Shaun Cody should be right back in the mix to be picked in the 20-32 range. He fits well with our team with his versatility ala a young Trevor Pryce, so I'm fine if we pick him, infact I think it would be smart. I think Patterson is clearly a better pass rushing DT, but he's limited to that role while Cody provides depth at LDE. This is key if we retain Courtney Brown longterm as his durability will always be a concern, and i doubt we keep Pryce much longer then this season unless he restructures every offseason.
            Shoot! I was in the process of responding when you posted this.
            That is good news that he has checked out. I hope he hits the weight room so he can avoid injury.

            I agree! He would make a lot of sense for us.

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            • #36
              Originally posted by Mat'hir Uth Gan
              He's checked out. It was some sort of muscle strain that was overlooked, he has a weak back and needs to build it up in the weight room. He has concentrated too much on other parts of his body and this has made him unproportional which is putting a strain on his back.

              Its not spinal related though, so Shaun Cody should be right back in the mix to be picked in the 20-32 range. He fits well with our team with his versatility ala a young Trevor Pryce, so I'm fine if we pick him, infact I think it would be smart. I think Patterson is clearly a better pass rushing DT, but he's limited to that role while Cody provides depth at LDE. This is key if we retain Courtney Brown longterm as his durability will always be a concern, and i doubt we keep Pryce much longer then this season unless he restructures every offseason.
              Knowing Shanahan (not literally) he wont pick a defensive lineman this year because of all the trades and signings he has made this offseason.

              I suspect we will draft an offensive tackle if one of the top 2/3 are available at #25.

              If they are all off the board I would think Shanahan would go with the best player available...which might open up the D-Line possibility.

              It could also mean a WR, CB or waterboy

              Our round 2 and 3 picks will be spent getting whatever we missed out on in round 1.

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              • #37
                Matt Jones??
                I'd love to get him, funny if the Titans picked him up, they'd have the two tallest WRs in the NFL, both white, and both former QBs.

                Fabian Washington?? Not no, but HELL NO...
                Why? I like his speed for the nickle, but do you think he is too small and not physical enough to start?


                It all comes back to Roddy White
                Shoddy Roddy as a pick would make me sick. (Hey, that rhymes)
                He can get over powered by pretty much any marginal CB, he will bust.

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by Black59Razor
                  Let's examine this a bit....

                  OT's Jamal Brown and K Barnes are NOT likely to be there...

                  WR? This is why I am saying O'Shanny will select Roddy White....
                  Mike Williams, B Edwards, Williamson and Clayton are all going to be gone....so who does that leave at WR?? Roddy White.....Chris Henry would be a better pick, but with his character concerns will likley fall down into the second...who else is there? Vincent Jackson? Matt Jones?? Well, I would prefer either of those two to Shoddy Roddy, but I doubt they would go as high as 25....but White is projected to go in this general area, so....


                  D-line still has the best value, especially if Shaun Cody is there and has a clean bill of health....add D Ware, J Tuck, etc and the best value player may still be a D-lineman...

                  CB: I never would criticize the selection of a productive Corner.....so Justin Miller makes sense (especially with the added punt return specialist benefit).....Fabian Washington?? Not no, but HELL NO!.....Marlin Jackson?? I suppose, but I would still be disappointed even though he has some upside and versatility...


                  There are no Guards to consider at 25....we don't need a RB or LB.....Safety?
                  Brodney Pool makes me nervous....I would not mind Thomas Davis simply because he is a baller, but is he a true SS? Prolly not....no other Safeties make sense...

                  It all comes back to Roddy White
                  OL
                  You are correct that the top 3 tackles will most likely be gone. I wouldn't be surprised to see us reach on a guy like Johnson that can play Guard or tackle. I know he is currently projected at early to mid second round but we could jump on him and it would not surprise me one bit.

                  WR
                  I hope we don't take White; I think this would be a wasted pick. More and more I think Clayton may be available. I also think that Vincent Jackson will not go as high as I though he would a couple weeks ago. He will not go first round and more likely mid to late 2nd. Many scouts have him as a solid third rounder.

                  CB
                  When have we ever drafted a solid CB? Middlebrooks is just starting to payoff as a nickel corner. Any corner we draft in the first would make me nervous. Plus if we wouldn't pay Herndon a first round tender how can we afford another first round corner?

                  S
                  I don't think Davis will be on the board he will go higher to a team that wants a playmaking OLB. I agree he is a baller and would be a great replacement for Lynch.

                  On the D Line front. I think Cody has a clean bill of health but his speed or lack thereof will probably push him down to us at 25. We could take him. In my mind there is no way that Ware is available anymore at 25 he is shooting up the draft board and should come off the board in the teens. Tuck is a reach for the first round. If we want D Line we will have someone available but I think the list now will be a choice of Shaun Cody, Mike Patterson, Castillo, and the DE that is falling there are alot of them and alot of teams have them in different order. I hope we don't take Roth.

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by Black59Razor
                    I love the way Mark Clayton plays, and would love his selection...
                    I would actually be ok with it also; I like his savvy. I am not impressed with alot of the guys we will have to choose from at 25. I think most will be about the same grade as the second rounders. I wish we could move down a few slots and pick up another pick.

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by Black59Razor
                      I love the way Mark Clayton plays, and would love his selection...
                      I wouldn't be able to complain with Clayton. I think he will be a solid player for years. WR isn't the biggest need but he would be welcomed by me!

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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by Black59Razor
                        This may be possible with Philly at #31 and #35...

                        I just think we have to take a player at 25 and hit on it, and, to me, the D-line still has the best value...
                        Yeah that has been my thought also. They also have a late second rounder and an early third rounder. I think they could package the picks and move higher than us though so I think somebody else will get it.

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                        • #42
                          Razor, I agree with you from a previous post that Shanny has kept Pope and Elliss and brought in Myers so that he doesn't have to select a DT in round 1. I don't necessarily agree with him that this will be good enough, but like you said Shanahan seems to.

                          In the last few weeks Mike has brought in Warren, Ekuban, Brown, Myers, and re-signed Elliss, Davis and Pope and re-structured Pryce. To me, that means he was going to do everything possible to not address the d-line in the first round. I believe he has another position or couple of players in mind.

                          The only two players other than d-line who I believe there is a SOMEWHAT reasonable shot at with 25 who would be worth a 1st is Clayton and Barnes. We might have to move up to between 16-20 to get one, but I believe it would be worth it.

                          I sure hope Shanahan is blind to Roddy White, I just can't imagine that working out. I even hope Shanahan would take a reach and a risk on Matt Jones before he'd go after White.

                          Myoung, part of me is scared that you might be right about Marcus Johnson. I hope Shanahan would not make that kind of reach at 25 , but I guess you never know with him and one or two teams always make a big reach in the 1st. When I read that I thought that sounded a little too much like Mike.

                          If we stay at 25, I think Barnes will definitely go no later than Jacksonville. Leftwhich is just too immobile and after an injury riddled season they must protect him. I think one of two players might fall to Denver that could be interesting, Mark Clayton and Erasmus James. But this hinges IMO on two things. Kansas City and Baltimore.

                          If KC drafts anything other than a DE, I believe Baltimore will have a decision between Clayton and James, both of which I hear they are very high on. I think the one they don't select will fall to Denver. At that point, either of those players, especially M. Clayton would be the best value.

                          Looking at the first round, I really believe our scenario's look like this as far as a VALUE player dropping.
                          Best case: Khalif Barnes, Mark Clayton, Erasmus James

                          Worst case: Roddy White, Fabian Washington, (even husker fans hate him) Marcus Johnson (not bad, but big reach)

                          Somewhere in the middle: Mike Patterson, Shaun Cody, Dan Cody, Justin Miller, Marlin Jackson

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                          • #43
                            Hope so!

                            Originally posted by BroncoStampede
                            If Brown drops to us, I agree with you that Shanahan should pick him, unless somebody amazing falls to us like Pac-Man.

                            Brown could start at guard this season, or move Foster to left tackle, Lepsis to right guard and stick Brown in the right tackle spot. It is always good to invest in your offensive line, if we got Brown this year, him and Foster would give us 2 great anchors for years to come.
                            This would be greatand it would help our OL a ton. Possibility of it happening is slim to none. I like the thought though!

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                            • #44
                              I wouldnt mind us taking Shaun Cody, but I would rather see us get Justin Miller (CB - Clemson) in the first round. He's a good return specialist too. He's fast. So yeah, thats who I think we should go with 1st round, but I highly doubt it will happen.

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                              • #45
                                Originally posted by Go_Broncos
                                I wouldnt mind us taking Shaun Cody, but I would rather see us get Justin Miller (CB - Clemson) in the first round. He's a good return specialist too. He's fast. So yeah, thats who I think we should go with 1st round, but I highly doubt it will happen.
                                Justin Miller is the 4th best Cb in the draft. I would take him over Washington. I wouldn't draft him with our #1 unless the top DL are gone and there are a number of top DL this year.

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