The draft we could have had

[lancane]

You really want to face the draft truth?

This years draft is so questionable, but I am still waiting for results.

Darrent Williams - Could be another Dante Hall, could be better or worse. A short corner who will likely never start other then special teams and was slated to go in the 3rd round. (I like this pick but he was a reach, there was several better athletes on the board and we would have likely grabbed him in the top of the 3rd round) Athlete Rating: C / Draft Rating: D

Karl Paymah - Fast corner with adjustment issues and questionable overall ability. Paymah is a speed corner project that could maybe go safety. Was slated to be a 5th to 6th rounder. (This was a major reach, though we got Browner via FA, this was almost certainly a descent pick, but as of now is a project) Athlete Rating:C / Draft Rating: F

Dominique Foxworth - 'Da Fox' is the most on target pick, a possible breakout corner in the future with lightning speed. Though he could have been nabbed later in the 3rd, he was slated as a late 3rd and therefore Shanahan did better. With Foxworth and Williams, Paymah seems to be a wasted pick. (I like this pick more then the first two, he seems to have the ability to eventually be a starter.) Athlete Rating: C+ / Draft Rating: B+

Maurice Clarett - The most contreversal athlete in the draft, but maybe the best overall running back in it as well. The young back led Ohio to the National Championship and then the crap hit the fan. Though he has made mistakes, he has truly so far proved that he has learned the error of his ways. (My second favorite pick, but maybe the top of all the prospects. He was a reach, but if he would have remained in football he might have been in Chicago instead of Denver this year.) Athlete Rating: C+ / Draft Rating: C-

just rating from the first day of the draft:

Athlete Overall Rating: C+ 6/10
Draft Overall Rating: D 3/10

Final First Day Rating: D+ 4/10 - This is so far a poor draft, the reaches killed the rating and to many questions remained. in the end Shanahan with his two picks in the second day was able to hit on target and overall walks out with 5/10 mark and overall rating of C-. If Denver can turn at least three of these picks into starters a B- will be the grade, but I think eventually 4 will be starters, one will contribute but in the end 2 will be busts.

[Dub-DeuceKnight]

Pick #14 - Thomas Davis - FS??? are you kidding me? his listed position was SS/OLB! he played SS in college there were no FS selected until Brodney Pool. Thomas Davis weighs 230 lbs and is in no way a free safety maybe not even a safety at all.

[JRWIZ]

Again this is where you are very much mistaken. picks 16-32 do not necessarily make an impact right away. I understand you want to believe they do but its simply not true all you have to do is look at draft history to understand this. Btw with you constant use of sexual verbage maybe you need to talk to sex therapist.

Thanks for the response.

Your correct that they necssarily do not make an impact, but if your team needs help in an area they should be impact players.

I looked at ALL FIRST DAY DAFTEES.

In DENs case with the exception of DJ we have taken as a general rule 2-3 years for our top choice to make an impact. IF at all.

1996
1 15 John Mobley OLB Kutztown, Pa. starter
2 44 Tory James CB Louisiana State minimal
3 65 Detron Smith FB Texas A&M minimal
3 78 Mark Campbell DT Florida WHO?

1997
1 28 Trevor Pryce DE Clemson
3 67 Dan Neil G Texas
GREAT draft

1998
1 30 Marcus Nash WR Tennessee BUST
2 61 Eric Brown SS Mississippi State BUST
3 91 Brian Griese QB Michigan Starter head case

1999
Rd Sel# Player Pos. School
1 31 Al Wilson MLB Tennessee great
2 58 Montae Reagor DT Texas Tech ok starter in IND
2 61 Lennie Friedman C Duke who?
3 67 Chris Watson CB Eastern Illinois Who?
3 93 Travis McGriff WR Florida JOKER

2000
1 15 Deltha O'Neal CB California major head case
2 40 Ian Gold OLB Michigan great
2 45 Kenoy Kennedy SS Arkansas starter that can't cover
3 70 Chris Cole WR Texas A&M JOKE

2001
Rd Sel# Player Pos. School
1 24 Willie Middlebrooks CB Minnesota Triple JOKE
2 51 Paul Toviessi DE Marshall Quad JOke
3 87 Reggie Hayward DE Iowa State took 3 years to become a player

2002
1 19 Ashley Lelie WR Hawaii took 3years to develope
2 51 Clinton Portis RB Miami pro bowl head case
3 96 Dorsett Davis DT Mississippi State who knows if he will ever play

2003
1 20 George Foster T Georgia starter 2nd year
2 51 Terry Pierce OLB Kansas State Who knows was insurance

2004
1 17 D.J. Williams OLB Miami yes
2 41 Tatum Bell RB Oklahoma State minimal
2 54 Darius Watts WR Marshall minimal
3 85 Jeremy LeSueur DB Michigan NONE

14 players out of 30 players that contributed before being cut, traded or remain on the team.

3 that had an immediate impact. AW, DJ, CP

3 that played somewhat in their rookie year. TB DW AL

4-5 that played more in their second year. GF, KK, DO, TP, DN

11 real impact starters in that group of first day picks. about 30% starter material. Not sure what the NFL average is but one would hope more thatn 40%. All should have been top ONE hundred players.

BTW, I am a sexual therapist.

[Colorado69]

Whiners at work

Sounds like alot of previous posts by anti-Shanahan and pro-Shanahan fans. What would the team be like if they had kept all the draft picks? Why is New England thought of so highly, when over the last decade they have usually sucked. They have an excellent coaching staff, but the Broncos have a winning record against them over the last decade. To give this draft a grade is ludicrous (sp). What if Williams breaks all the return records in the NFL during his career? Is he still a bust? Remember Rick Upchurch? He couldn't break into the starting lineup as a receiver, but he was no bust. Those of you who hate Shanahan, go to New England or Philly and start cheering for them. Since NONE of you know more than the Bronco staff, you can be laughed at for your egotistical statements and whining. Wait and see what happens. After all, the Broncos were seven points away from a 13-3 season last year. Shanny stated that he thought the team had the talent, but needed tweaking. He has attempted to improve the weakest part of the team - Special Teams. If the new kicker, returner, and fast special teamers work out as hoped, then the draft will have been an intelligent response to improving the team where it needed it most. Go ahead and get mad, but NONE of you is as skilled as Coach Shanahan and NONE of you have all the facts to work with to make the decisions. Whine! Whine!

[Sam_Z]

I too have had it with shanny, BTW I did not like the browns trade either.

Well fellas we have to put up with him for one more season but I truly feel if things dont go well this time around and after this draft and the trades as of late, then he'll be the friggin door. Hes a great football coach but he needs to let the talent scouts and GM do their jobs. Hes kinda like a bad owner always sticking his nose in where it dont belong! And I'll tell you one thing, if he dont clean up his act, I wouldnt be surprised to see half the coaching staff including Sundiquist working else where in the next two years.

[JRWIZ]

You really want to face the draft truth?

This years draft is so questionable, but I am still waiting for results.

Darrent Williams - Could be another Dante Hall, could be better or worse. A short corner who will likely never start other then special teams and was slated to go in the 3rd round. (I like this pick but he was a reach, there was several better athletes on the board and we would have likely grabbed him in the top of the 3rd round) Athlete Rating: C / Draft Rating: D

Karl Paymah - Fast corner with adjustment issues and questionable overall ability. Paymah is a speed corner project that could maybe go safety. Was slated to be a 5th to 6th rounder. (This was a major reach, though we got Browner via FA, this was almost certainly a descent pick, but as of now is a project) Athlete Rating:C / Draft Rating: F

Dominique Foxworth - 'Da Fox' is the most on target pick, a possible breakout corner in the future with lightning speed. Though he could have been nabbed later in the 3rd, he was slated as a late 3rd and therefore Shanahan did better. With Foxworth and Williams, Paymah seems to be a wasted pick. (I like this pick more then the first two, he seems to have the ability to eventually be a starter.) Athlete Rating: C+ / Draft Rating: B+

Maurice Clarett - The most contreversal athlete in the draft, but maybe the best overall running back in it as well. The young back led Ohio to the National Championship and then the crap hit the fan. Though he has made mistakes, he has truly so far proved that he has learned the error of his ways. (My second favorite pick, but maybe the top of all the prospects. He was a reach, but if he would have remained in football he might have been in Chicago instead of Denver this year.) Athlete Rating: C+ / Draft Rating: C-

just rating from the first day of the draft:

Athlete Overall Rating: C+ 6/10
Draft Overall Rating: D 3/10

Final First Day Rating: D+ 4/10 - This is so far a poor draft, the reaches killed the rating and to many questions remained. in the end Shanahan with his two picks in the second day was able to hit on target and overall walks out with 5/10 mark and overall rating of C-. If Denver can turn at least three of these picks into starters a B- will be the grade, but I think eventually 4 will be starters, one will contribute but in the end 2 will be busts.

Looks to be pretty much on the mark.

regardless of who they picked for Special teams both this year and last they still don't have the COACH to utilize the talent they already had.

Mikey has to do more than just DAFT a few players, He needs to really pay attention to the ST area and go out a get a top notch ST coach.