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  • A very uplifting Bronco draft review

    Amid all the negativity of the Bronco's recent draft, I ran across this evaluation. Here was someone who was a little bit impressed with Denver's selections.

    http://www.900footballlinks.net/broncosbottom.htm

    I aplogize if this has already been posted, but I had not seen it before, so I thought I would share it.

  • #2
    Very interesting take. I hope he's right in his assessments but we'll just have to wait until we see them on the field to find out. If popular opinion can be trusted, then this guy's thoughts are probably too optimistic. But at least not everything out there is doom and gloom about our draft.
    "You can't take the sky from me..."
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    "You can't shake the Devil's hand and say you're only kidding"

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    • #3
      Where can I sign up for the doom and gloom petition?

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      • #4
        "will start out as their nickel corner, but will show, in time, that he has the skills to be a top starting corner despite his lack of height. He reminds me of a young Aaron Glenn."
        That's all I had to read to know this guy doesn't have a clue.

        What's a mystery to him "The hard-to-figure-out news is that, while they selected three outstanding players from my "list", they were all cornerbacks!" is already public knowledge to anyone who bothers to listen to what Broncos executives are saying publicly.

        Ted Sundquist, Broncos GM has already stated in his latest interview that the team DOESN'T project Williams as a starting corner -- BECAUSE of his height. THAT's why the team drafted 2 other CBs in the 3rd round. Sundquist talks about all the players who will be competing to back up and eventually replace Lennie Walls, and Williams name isn't even in the mix.

        The "hard-to-figure-out" part becomes "simple-to-figure-out", when you accept that the coaches drafted Williams to be a return specialist, to help out on special teams, and eventually step in as a back-up CB in nickel and dime packages. Paymah and Foxworth are the guys the team is looking to eventually find a starting CB.

        Now you can argue that Williams will be the best thing since sliced bread and at this point who knows? But a starting CB he will never be, unless Sundquist is lying.

        Here's a more realistic assessment of the Broncos draft, from a guy who even likes Clarett, so he's not totally negative about the picks, NFL Draft - Pro Football Weekly :

        Broncos select three DBs in a row, then take Clarett


        I loved the Clarett pick only for the fact that his cutback ability and vision should make for a perfect fit with Denver’s vaunted blocking scheme. If there was any place in the league where Clarett would have had the best chance to succeed, this is the place.

        However, I have to wonder if the Broncos truly could afford to make a luxury pick like this with other pressing needs to address. They certainly took care of their need for cornerbacks, taking three of them in a row in the second and third rounds. But will the Broncos’ DB haul turn out to be as good as the Eagles’ in 2002 (when they selected current starters Lito Sheppard, Michael Lewis and Sheldon Brown as their top three picks) or as bad as the Packers’ in 1999 (taking disappointments Antuan Edwards and Fred Vinson and the traded Mike McKenzie with their top three picks)?

        Darrent Williams has injury issues and is undersized. Karl Paymah and Domonique Foxworth appear to be more athletes than cover corners a la Deltha O’Neal. We’ll see how these players progress in the Mile High City
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        • #5
          Actually, I think that Sundquist and the guy that wrote the article are on the same line: he just was repeating what Sundquist said, that Williams isn't projected as a starting corner. Based on what the writer believes about Williams he says that he could be a starter CB in the future. You may argue that the team is not projecting him as one, but probably they didn't project Lenny Walls, an undrafted free agent ahead of Willie Middlebrooks in the depth charts neither, or Roc Alexander ahead of Jeff Shoate, or Rod Smith ahead of tenths of WRs...

          As you said, time will tell.

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          • #6
            The author is very hot on Foxworth. Would you agree with his prediction that either Foxworth or Paymah could push Walls to the bench?

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Cugel
              That's all I had to read to know this guy doesn't have a clue.

              What's a mystery to him "The hard-to-figure-out news is that, while they selected three outstanding players from my "list", they were all cornerbacks!" is already public knowledge to anyone who bothers to listen to what Broncos executives are saying publicly.

              Ted Sundquist, Broncos GM has already stated in his latest interview that the team DOESN'T project Williams as a starting corner -- BECAUSE of his height. THAT's why the team drafted 2 other CBs in the 3rd round. Sundquist talks about all the players who will be competing to back up and eventually replace Lennie Walls, and Williams name isn't even in the mix.

              The "hard-to-figure-out" part becomes "simple-to-figure-out", when you accept that the coaches drafted Williams to be a return specialist, to help out on special teams, and eventually step in as a back-up CB in nickel and dime packages. Paymah and Foxworth are the guys the team is looking to eventually find a starting CB.

              Now you can argue that Williams will be the best thing since sliced bread and at this point who knows? But a starting CB he will never be, unless Sundquist is lying.

              Here's a more realistic assessment of the Broncos draft, from a guy who even likes Clarett, so he's not totally negative about the picks, NFL Draft - Pro Football Weekly :
              Cugel, I've tried to maintain that NOBODY has a clue, nor will they until the picks take the field for a year or two. Neither you, who are excessively negative IMO, nor others on this board, who are excessively positive, are right until this happens. But I guess it is natural to say someone doesn't have a clue by a person who doesn't agree with him.

              Edit: I've read your link before, and this guy doesn't have a clue, either--not because he is stupid or anything, but because these guys haven't even taken the field yet.
              Last edited by topscribe; 05-07-2005, 11:35 AM.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by welshbronco
                The author is very hot on Foxworth. Would you agree with his prediction that either Foxworth or Paymah could push Walls to the bench?
                Well, maybe eventually. We'll see. They are only rookies right now, remember. And don't forget Alexander is still in the mix. He was burned badly, true, but he was also a rookie.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by welshbronco
                  The author is very hot on Foxworth. Would you agree with his prediction that either Foxworth or Paymah could push Walls to the bench?

                  Foxworth is very very talented and was a steal. He was projected a year before the draft as one of the best cover CBs in the nation. He had an average Senior year, but he was a true steal at the end of the 3rd.

                  Paymah was an athletic reach, just like Routt by Oakland in the 2nd. He's a total boom or bust type.

                  However, none of these guys will push Walls to the bench. Lenny, if healthy, is as talented with more height and similar speed. They may have pushed Herndon to the bench, and I suppose their selections justify letting him go, and perhaps they could challenge Middlebrooks this season, though unlikely, but overall, I just see these guys as depth for a few years unless Walls leaves and someone is pushed in as an emergency player next season. In which case, my money would be on Foxworth.

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                  • #10
                    The thing that bothered me most about this write up was that he said we had a need for a young linebacker. Do we even have a linebacker (other than burns) over 30? That just annoyed me and showed me this guy didn't do his homework. However, it was defintiely nice to hear some good things said about the broncos.

                    I like my defensive tackles like I like my women: well over 300 lbs.
                    ABWRFRC

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by PRBronco
                      The thing that bothered me most about this write up was that he said we had a need for a young linebacker. Do we even have a linebacker (other than burns) over 30? That just annoyed me and showed me this guy didn't do his homework. However, it was defintiely nice to hear some good things said about the broncos.
                      Yes, that isn't good for one's credibilty, is it? Thanks for pointing that out.

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                      • #12
                        I just noticed that it has quite a bit of info on our 2003 and 2004 drafts as well if you scroll down, that's cool, a little look at how freakin bad our '03 draft was. It really shines some light on how mental nick eason was, they really dropped the ball on that one. Makes me wish terry pierce could get some playing time though, the dude sounds solid.

                        I like my defensive tackles like I like my women: well over 300 lbs.
                        ABWRFRC

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by PRBronco
                          I just noticed that it has quite a bit of info on our 2003 and 2004 drafts as well if you scroll down, that's cool, a little look at how freakin bad our '03 draft was. It really shines some light on how mental nick eason was, they really dropped the ball on that one. Makes me wish terry pierce could get some playing time though, the dude sounds solid.
                          Now, see, that's what I have been getting at. We don't yet know how good or bad the 2003 draft was. We will find out only this year when we put those young WRs onto the field. They could all be busts, or they could all be so good that we end up with trade bait. Or (most likely), a couple will prove their mettle, which will make for a pretty good draft.

                          If we still can't be sure about 2003's draft, how can we know about 2004?

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by topscribe
                            Now, see, that's what I have been getting at. We don't yet know how good or bad the 2003 draft was. We will find out only this year when we put those young WRs onto the field. They could all be busts, or they could all be so good that we end up with trade bait. Or (most likely), a couple will prove their mettle, which will make for a pretty good draft.

                            If we still can't be sure about 2003's draft, how can we know about 2004?
                            We can know about '03's draft cuz there's only 3 guys left from it!

                            I like my defensive tackles like I like my women: well over 300 lbs.
                            ABWRFRC

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by PRBronco
                              We can know about '03's draft cuz there's only 3 guys left from it!
                              For some reason, I had a major brain fart there! I was thinking of the 2004 draft when I said 2003, and this year's draft when I said 2004. Gotta take more gingko, I guess.

                              Nonetheless, we actually have four left from the 2003 draft: Foster, Pierce, Griffin, and Aaron Hunt. Rick Smith discussed Hunt, in fact, in his last interview. http://www.denverbroncos.com/page.ph...4&storyID=4133

                              So, sorry, I still don't consider the 2003 draft "so bad" (and I have the right one this time). Madise and Galloway were simply victims of the numbers, logjams in the respective positions. Pierce would start for a lot of teams; it isn't his fault we have Wilson, Gold, Williams, and Sykes. And Q isn't finished yet. Foster is a beast. Hunt is doing well enough that they are taking a "second look" at him.
                              Last edited by topscribe; 05-07-2005, 05:29 PM.

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