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  • #46
    You want to know something? Some of the best defenses in the entire NFL have never been the top in YPG. The Pats in all their superbowl years were never higher than 8th.

    Yards

    2001 - 21st
    2003 - 8th
    2004 - 13th

    But guess what? The stats they did lead in those years was what made them a good defense, turnovers and Points scored.

    Interceptions

    2001 - 6th
    2003 - 1st
    2004 - 7th

    Passing TDs allowed

    2001 - 6th
    2003 - 1st
    2004 - 10th



    I dare you to find me a defense that won a superbowl and lead in yards, but did not lead in turnovers and points allowed.
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    • #47
      Originally posted by Archimedes Owl
      And I explained why that reasoning is bunk.

      They rank poorly in only one category for an obvious reason. In nearly every other category, they are clearly superior to the Steelers. And I have already explained why normalizing to the number of pass attempts is a much better way to analyze a defense than to consider simply the number of yards allowed in a game.
      i have never disagreed... but the thing you are trying to do is take away everything from pitts pass defense... yeah, you all were passed on more than anyone in the league... however, if you look at the two pass defenses... they are so close to each other it is amazing how you all are 29th...

      pitt / den
      57.4 / 56.1 comp %
      6.45 / 6.25 ypa
      15 / 20 td's allowed
      15 / 20 int (like you said skewed by the 60 more attempts but either way)
      47 / 28 sacks
      74 / 72.2 avg passer rating...

      pretty damn close to me... the only reason that you all are so far down is yards allowed on those completions which bumps up your yards allowed per game... but don't try to take everything from teh steelers saying that NE has a better pass d than us and all that... come on... our and yours are identical to the naked eye...
      Last edited by SteeLVeinS; 01-18-2006, 04:57 PM.

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      • #48
        DONT RUN UR MOUTH UNLESS U WIN

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        • #49
          Originally posted by SteeLVeinS
          i have never disagreed... but the thing you are trying to do is take away everything from pitts pass defense... yeah, you all were passed on more than anyone in the league... however, if you look at the two pass defenses... they are so close to each other it is amazing how you all are 29th...

          pitt den
          57.4 56.1 comp %
          6.45 6.25 ypa
          15 20 td's allowed
          15 20 int (like you said skewed by the 60 more attempts but either way)
          47 28 sacks
          74 72.2 avg passer rating...

          pretty damn close to me... the only reason that you all are so far down is yards allowed on those completions which bumps up your yards allowed per game... but don't try to take everything from teh steelers saying that NE has a better pass d than us and all that... come on... our and yours are identacle to the naked eye...
          If I said NE had a better pass defense than the Steelers, I appologize. That's blatantly incorrect. Denver has the slight edge in pass defense between the two teams, but New England was much worse. They ranked near the bottom of the league in yards allowed per attempt. They were also third in completion percentage allowed. Combine these two and you can see that they are a defense that has stopped a lot of drives, but has also given up a lot of the big play. This was so throughout the entire season. Their rushing defense was great towards the end of the year after they hadn't the injuries, but their pass defense was beat deep all year.
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          • #50
            Originally posted by thebigclock7
            big ben will carve that joke of a defense up like a thanksgiving turkey!
            Gus Frerotte
            Drew Brees (twice)
            Trent Green
            Mark Brunell
            Tom Brady (twice)
            Drew Bledsoe

            These are some of the QBs the Broncos have beaten this year.

            And you think Roethlisberger will do it now?



            Now, get your butt over into Smack, where it belongs!

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            • #51
              Seahawks are ranked 28th against the pass.

              They're pretty good too...

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              • #52
                If you are going to mention QBs that Denver has faced, please feel free to mention McNabb.

                Seahawks are ranked 28th against the pass.

                They're pretty good too...
                They might be.

                I'll have to check their statistics normalized according to how many attempts they've faced.

                I'll post the results in just a bit.
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                • #53
                  You guys notice, the work on us is always on short routes, we have rarely been beatin deep.

                  Usually the pass goes towards Foxworth and Williams becuase their rookies.

                  It rarely goes to Champ's side, but when that happens what do you get?

                  9 INTs 2 TDs and 239 yards(including playoffs).

                  I would love to see "big Ben Carve our secondary up" on the left side of the field.
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                  • #54
                    Originally posted by RBDynasty
                    Another naive, disillusioned fan.... Anybody who actually knows anything about football knows that passing yards mean exactly squat if they don't produce points. Which is exactly what the Broncos do... sure we'll let you get some meaningless yards but you won't score on us. 200 yards in the fourth quarter means even less.
                    The Steelers won't score on you? You seem to be the naive, disillusioned fan you refer to in your post. I have several thousand people who would like to take that bet. Be serious. The teams are evenly matched. Good defenses, offenses, good coaches. Remove the orange blinders and enjoy the game. I guarantee there will be points scored by both teams. Turnovers will probably decide the game.

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                    • #55
                      I can't wait to see lil ben tell us what the dirt tastes like.

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                      • #56
                        I wish Big Ben luck! Wait, no I don't, but I think he'll need it.

                        From everything I've heard, including Big Ben's interview today where he admitted that they like to come out throwing early against more aggressive defenses, like the Broncos, it seems to me that Denver will be expecting Big Ben to try and be efficient early.

                        I expect us to make Big Ben about as efficient as we made Donovan McNabb when he was in town. McNabb to that point had been efficient, still had T.O., and his very good o-line was still very much intact.

                        However, McNabb did not have the freedom to move around in the pocket to find his receivers, his reads were not clear, and the Broncos continued to mix thing up enough to keep McNabb guessing.

                        Big Ben reminds me a lot of McNabb, not quite as good yet, but he's a big, mobile QB with a strong arm, but can be vulnerable to big hits at times. Look for Big Ben to spend some time on the ground early, not because of our 8 man blitz that Brady saw and that the Steelers may even "max protect" for, but because of our 9 man blitz that we broke out consistently for one game this year against Philly.

                        Roethlisberger also isn't quite as quick yet on his reads, and may struggle when Denver goes from a 9 in the box blitz to a zone blitz within moments, creating quite a bit of confusion and a lack of expected throwing lanes.

                        Big Ben has a very strong arm and that is a great asset, but he doesn't have the quickest release IMO and that has gotten him in trouble in the past.

                        Denver's secondary may "technically" be ranked 29th, but it also faced far more pass attempts than most teams in the league and many of those yards given up were in garbage time due to big leads.

                        Big Ben better have some quick reads on smoke routes this week built in quite often and early in the game, and he better be ready to make those reads effectively, otherwise what Big Ben will face will be far from the 29th ranked pass defense. And even when those quick reads are there, he will have to be very careful with the Broncos' frequency of checking out of the blitz and falling into various zone schemes.

                        Denver changes things up a lot on defense and gives you a lot of different looks, it will be much different than what Ben is primarily watching on film. Ben will face a group of DB's far more opportunistic than what a 29 ranking shows, and his decisions and ability to make them quickly very well could be the x-factor in this game.

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                        • #57
                          Originally posted by thebigclock7
                          big ben will carve that joke of a defense up like a thanksgiving turkey!


                          even the pathetic bengals secondary is ranked higher in wich ben had a 147 passer rating and 3 td passes!
                          That's great!
                          But I thought the Steelers were a run oriented team.............


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                          • #58
                            We've only done a consistent full blitz attack against two teams:

                            The Eagles

                            The Patriots

                            What do these two teams have in common??

                            Neither can run the ball. It was because we could focus on the pass that Denver had much of their success against McNabb and Brady early in the game.

                            I wouldn't expect that type of blitz to be used against Pittsburgh. Sure, we'll blitz a lot and they'll have to figure it out, but we won't use it like we did against New England. We'll more likely have one of those game plans were we're dropping a ton of guys into coverage and expecting them to come up and make the tackle for very short gains against the dump off and to come up for the run. We'll likely use a read and react defense that will really utilize our speed.

                            Well, you can never really be sure of what the Broncos will do, but this is kind of what I expect.


                            EDIT:

                            Seahawks pass defense:

                            The Seahawks pass defense is ranked 25th in total yards allowed.

                            They are ranked 17th in yards per attempt, 12th in completion percentage yielded and 14th in interceptions.

                            Yes, they are better than their ranking would suggest. Though they are not in the same league of Denver or Pittsburgh.
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                            • #59
                              Originally posted by thebigclock7
                              pats passed for 341 yds , so it seems the broncos are holding up true to thier 29th ranking! if brady doesnt make over throws and was on all night we'd be heading to gillette sunday!
                              He didn't, and you're not. That's how the game goes. Don't forget the Pats also had FIVE turnovers. You don't have to a top-rated pass defense to win when the opposition can't hang on to the ball.

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                              • #60
                                Originally posted by Archimedes Owl
                                We've only done a consistent full blitz attack against two teams:

                                The Eagles

                                The Patriots

                                What do these two teams have in common??

                                Neither can run the ball. It was because we could focus on the pass that Denver had much of their success against McNabb and Brady early in the game.

                                I wouldn't expect that type of blitz to be used against Pittsburgh. Sure, we'll blitz a lot and they'll have to figure it out, but we won't use it like we did against New England. We'll more likely have one of those game plans were we're dropping a ton of guys into coverage and expecting them to come up and make the tackle for very short gains against the dump off and to come up for the run. We'll likely use a read and react defense that will really utilize our speed.

                                Well, you can never really be sure of what the Broncos will do, but this is kind of what I expect.


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                                Seahawks pass defense:

                                The Seahawks pass defense is ranked 25th in total yards allowed.

                                They are ranked 17th in yards per attempt, 12th in completion percentage yielded and 14th in interceptions.

                                Yes, they are better than their ranking would suggest. Though they are not in the same league of Denver or Pittsburgh.
                                I would agree completely that there is a big difference between Philly and Pitt as far as the running game, but NE and Corey Dillon are a run threat and Philly and NE present something similar to the run that Pitt does not as much and that is the screen. The screen takes adavantage of the blitz and must be accounted for when blitzing similar to the run.

                                A benefit an all out blitz has against Big Ben compared to Tom Brady is that we are more likely to get more sacks. Ben does not have nearly the quick release or quick decisions that Brady does. He's tough and will hang in the pocket, but his quick reads are not as precise.

                                Also, like you said, I also mentioned that I think there will be numerous times where we will drop back in the zone blitz to creat confusion, but I think this could be set up early by flustering Ben with an all out attack. It will create a lack surety at the line of scrimmage and give Ben one more thing to think about as he begins to read the defense.

                                Plus, Bettis, who will get a good bit of the carries is not an effecive runner against the blitz, and likely would more often than not get swallowed by it. However, Willie Parker is more dangerous to try that against.

                                In light of the differences, I expect to see the Broncos run a lot of BOTH schemes varied throughout the game with A LOT of the pressure on Al Wilson to make calls at the line of scrimmage and QB the defense in and out of certain calls more than usual.

                                IMO, we want Al Wilson to get into a chess match against Big Ben. I'll take Wilson 9 out of 10 times with his experience and leadership.

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