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  • Sportswrath
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    Originally posted by BlueDamsel
    Ron Dayne has impressed me, so far...

    I was at the first day of training camp, and watched him not only run north & south, but actually spin off of players, and run east-west...Which, having spoken with a number of Giants fans, that was unheard of in NY.

    I also spoke with some other football fans in a chat room yesterday, about the game on Saturday (a 9ers fan was giving me crud about the guy dieing, blaming it on our team..) and mentioned Dayne looking good out there -- and had several fans from various other teams that were talking about how that's "impossible" and that I must be on crack or something...

    They doubt that he'll make it past week 5, if he "really is playing well" right now -- but we'll see. My stance is that we'll have enough RBs to switch up the rotation, to keep the Reuben-Droughns-Syndrome from happening (tired at the end of the season, not as fast, not as strong...) I think Shanny learned from that last year and plans on doing better about things like that this year.

    All that said, so far, Dayne has impressed me. Those of you who have known me over the years know that I key in on RBs, personally, and can get a pretty good feel of how they're going to do based on a few carries in the pre-season. (Remember all the doubt surrounding Q & the Colts 2 years ago (in the reg. season game) )when Portis went down? I was not one of the doubters...People were surprised by Reuben last year? Not I. 3 years ago, when Portis was a rookie - I had only seen him play in the last pre-season game (vs. the seahawks) and decided that he was going to be a breakout player & that he'd get the yardage & the starting position before the season was over...Infact, I had his jersey custom made for me that weekend, and was one of the first in the stands to wear the #26....So, if I say Dayne is doing surprisingly well, I look to see him getting the 1000+ yards this season too!
    I honestly hope you're right. Do you think there enought room for these RBs?

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  • rcsodak
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    Originally posted by BlueDamsel
    Ron Dayne has impressed me, so far...

    I was at the first day of training camp, and watched him not only run north & south, but actually spin off of players, and run east-west...Which, having spoken with a number of Giants fans, that was unheard of in NY.

    I also spoke with some other football fans in a chat room yesterday, about the game on Saturday (a 9ers fan was giving me crud about the guy dieing, blaming it on our team..) and mentioned Dayne looking good out there -- and had several fans from various other teams that were talking about how that's "impossible" and that I must be on crack or something...

    They doubt that he'll make it past week 5, if he "really is playing well" right now -- but we'll see. My stance is that we'll have enough RBs to switch up the rotation, to keep the Reuben-Droughns-Syndrome from happening (tired at the end of the season, not as fast, not as strong...) I think Shanny learned from that last year and plans on doing better about things like that this year.

    All that said, so far, Dayne has impressed me. Those of you who have known me over the years know that I key in on RBs, personally, and can get a pretty good feel of how they're going to do based on a few carries in the pre-season. (Remember all the doubt surrounding Q & the Colts 2 years ago (in the reg. season game) )when Portis went down? I was not one of the doubters...People were surprised by Reuben last year? Not I. 3 years ago, when Portis was a rookie - I had only seen him play in the last pre-season game (vs. the seahawks) and decided that he was going to be a breakout player & that he'd get the yardage & the starting position before the season was over...Infact, I had his jersey custom made for me that weekend, and was one of the first in the stands to wear the #26....So, if I say Dayne is doing surprisingly well, I look to see him getting the 1000+ yards this season too!
    Welcome back, Blue.....you have been missed.
    Now where's that CHICK?

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  • stpngout
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    Ron Dayne

    If you will remember Dayne did the same thing last pre-season in NY.

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  • BlueDamsel
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    Ron Dayne has impressed me, so far...

    I was at the first day of training camp, and watched him not only run north & south, but actually spin off of players, and run east-west...Which, having spoken with a number of Giants fans, that was unheard of in NY.

    I also spoke with some other football fans in a chat room yesterday, about the game on Saturday (a 9ers fan was giving me crud about the guy dieing, blaming it on our team..) and mentioned Dayne looking good out there -- and had several fans from various other teams that were talking about how that's "impossible" and that I must be on crack or something...

    They doubt that he'll make it past week 5, if he "really is playing well" right now -- but we'll see. My stance is that we'll have enough RBs to switch up the rotation, to keep the Reuben-Droughns-Syndrome from happening (tired at the end of the season, not as fast, not as strong...) I think Shanny learned from that last year and plans on doing better about things like that this year.

    All that said, so far, Dayne has impressed me. Those of you who have known me over the years know that I key in on RBs, personally, and can get a pretty good feel of how they're going to do based on a few carries in the pre-season. (Remember all the doubt surrounding Q & the Colts 2 years ago (in the reg. season game) )when Portis went down? I was not one of the doubters...People were surprised by Reuben last year? Not I. 3 years ago, when Portis was a rookie - I had only seen him play in the last pre-season game (vs. the seahawks) and decided that he was going to be a breakout player & that he'd get the yardage & the starting position before the season was over...Infact, I had his jersey custom made for me that weekend, and was one of the first in the stands to wear the #26....So, if I say Dayne is doing surprisingly well, I look to see him getting the 1000+ yards this season too!

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  • mrsolo
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    Originally posted by Hoss
    well, i just don't know what to say about our running backs. anderson looks pretty good...as he usually does. but i've been extremely impressed with ron dayne. i do think he was underused in NY. someone on this thread said he gained 600 yards with a 3.4 yard average while in NY and he called that getting a shot. hahahaa. his action in NY was very very limited and it's unfortunate for him that tiki thrived. but their loss is our gain and dayne is now in a system more like the one he ran in college. he looks good this preseason and i would love to see what he could do with 20+ carries a game! i truely believe that if he starts he would thrive more than any other back we have.

    from what i've seen of dayne he's got that ability to run people over like droughns did for us last year with a burst of speed to top it off. i like what i see.
    Not yards....CARRIES. He had 585 carries at NY for 2067 yards...with a 3.4 ypc average.

    Year Team G GS Att Yards Avg Lg TD 20+ FD
    2000 New York Giants 16 4 228 770 3.4 50 5 2 47
    2001 New York Giants 16 7 180 690 3.8 61 7 4 38
    2002 New York Giants 16 1 125 428 3.4 30 3 1 26
    2003 New York Giants 0 0 0 0 --- 0 0 0 0
    2004 New York Giants 14 2 52 179 3.4 15 1 0 10
    TOTAL 62 14 585 2067 3.5 61 16 7 121

    Tiki's stats during the same time period

    2000 New York Giants 16 12 213 1006 4.7 78 8 9 38
    2001 New York Giants 14 9 166 865 5.2 36 4 8 40
    2002 New York Giants 16 15 304 1387 4.6 70 11 12 67
    2003 New York Giants 16 16 278 1216 4.4 27 2 4 66
    2004 New York Giants 16 14 322 1518 4.7 72 13 11 77

    Looks like their carries were about the sames....with the edge going to Dayne the first couple of years....but Tiki just outplayed him, resulting in Tiki getting more carries.

    He never averaged more than 3.8 for a season, where Tiki averaged at least 4.4.

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  • Peerless
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    Originally posted by dayne for gain
    dayne, is the type of back that has to carry the load at least 15 to 20 times a game to be effective. if you give him just a few carrys per game i don't believe he will show that much. i seen many,many games at madison, where he just got better as the game rolled on.
    i think you will be very happy with his play at denver.
    Exactly, that's what I've said. You have to play him, the longer he's in, the better running.

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  • dayne for gain
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    Originally posted by Momentum
    Ron Dayne is the best back on our roster for this system.

    I am never repeating this, or admitting to it again either...

    dayne, is the type of back that has to carry the load at least 15 to 20 times a game to be effective. if you give him just a few carrys per game i don't believe he will show that much. i seen many,many games at madison, where he just got better as the game rolled on.
    i think you will be very happy with his play at denver.

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  • Momentum
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    Ron Dayne is the best back on our roster for this system.

    I am never repeating this, or admitting to it again either...

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  • Hoss
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    well, i just don't know what to say about our running backs. anderson looks pretty good...as he usually does. but i've been extremely impressed with ron dayne. i do think he was underused in NY. someone on this thread said he gained 600 yards with a 3.4 yard average while in NY and he called that getting a shot. hahahaa. his action in NY was very very limited and it's unfortunate for him that tiki thrived. but their loss is our gain and dayne is now in a system more like the one he ran in college. he looks good this preseason and i would love to see what he could do with 20+ carries a game! i truely believe that if he starts he would thrive more than any other back we have.

    from what i've seen of dayne he's got that ability to run people over like droughns did for us last year with a burst of speed to top it off. i like what i see.

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  • 24zone
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    Rd

    He was in a running scheme in NY that didn't fit him, and he probably was frustrated, which never really got him on track for that offense.
    The zone blocking running game, what he ran at Wisc, is what Denver runs, and runs very well. It allows him to eliminate alot of juking, and spinning, and other skills, and focuses on one cut and upfield. If you block it right, and the back makes the reads, and hits it hard, you will get 4,5yds a pop every play. He is just now getting the rythym and timing down, as you saw in the SF Game, he tip toed a little, which prevented the longer gains, but he still gained about 6yds a pop!
    Look for him to break some longer runs when he hits the hole hard....

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  • rcsodak
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    Originally posted by Adrenaline
    I've heard good things about Dayne this preseason. I'm more high on Mike Anderson this year, his hard work will pay off. If Dayne can keep up decent play in some regular season snaps then I will be impressed.

    Anyone know whats going on with Q? Why hasn't he played a preseason game. Or has he?
    They've been planning all along to play him in the last two preseason games, so as to give his knee some extra time to heal up.

    If he looks good this week in practice, we'll see alot of him this weekend.

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  • Sportswrath
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    Well he's on the right team to kick start he carrer. I just hope he doesn;t blow this second chance.

    Thanks for you input.

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  • towels
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    It also sounds like Dayne came into camp in better shape this year than he has in the past. I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt so far.

    That being said, I'd rather have a back get a 3.5 ypc average from alternating 3 and 4 yard carries than a back who has one 15 yard run and a bunch of 1 and 2 yarders. (Which is what it looked like Dayne was starting with in Houston- maybe he just needed to wear them down.)

    They've been holding Q back to give him more time to rehab from his knee surgery. Remember, he got hurt partway through the year. He should see some action this Saturday.
    Last edited by towels; 08-23-2005, 09:52 AM.

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  • Adrenaline
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    I've heard good things about Dayne this preseason. I'm more high on Mike Anderson this year, his hard work will pay off. If Dayne can keep up decent play in some regular season snaps then I will be impressed.

    Anyone know whats going on with Q? Why hasn't he played a preseason game. Or has he?

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  • NJBRONCOSFAN
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    Originally posted by DAYNETRAYNE
    of course we had a bad rep in ny. but ny messed that up they never gave him the carries he needed c'mon u really think tiki can wear down a defense. i dont know why they drafted him and didnt use him. he was never hurt, or overweight. he just never had a shot..i mean how do u draft a heisman trophy winner and dont play him, u must got a silly coach.(jim fassel)....dayne will put a lot of doubters to rest during his tenure in denver, all he needs to do is rush for 1000-1500, and they will love him like every other rb that has been in denver.....he's a bruiser, give him the carries and teams will get tired of tackling this guy. he 'll be like a drug.
    Dayne had about 600 carries as a giant for a 3.5 average...i'd say he had a shot.
    Meanwhile, Tiki Barber thrived.

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