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  • #76
    Originally posted by TXBRONC
    If not mistaken we wont get a compensatory pick for Herndon, Shanahan had a choice of putting a tag on him or Walls and he chose put a tag on Walls. Kelly was let go with no strings attached.
    Dont we also have another 3rd round pick, which was included in trade last year with washington, or is that it and we traded away ours?
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    • #77
      OrangePeel you better be around in April. You are like the king of the draft history. It's so weird to see which players slipped like Shaun Alexander caught my eye.

      This upcoming draft is the first one I will have ever really looked forward to. (I was born April 19th 1983 so I missed one of our more important drafts)

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      • #78
        3rd Round

        63 Cleveland Travis Prentice RB Miami, O.
        64 Washington Lloyd Harrison CB North Carolina State
        65 San Francisco Giovanni Carmazzi QB Hofstra
        66 Cincinnati Ron Dugans WR Florida State
        67 Atlanta Mark Simoneau MLB Kansas State
        68 Tennessee Erron Kinney TE Florida
        69 Chicago Dez White WR Georgia Tech
        70 Denver Chris Cole WR Texas A&M
        71 Arizona Darwin Walker DT Tennessee
        72 Pittsburgh Kendrick Clancy NT Mississippi
        73 N.Y. Giants Ron Dixon WR Lambuth
        74 Green Bay Steve Warren NT Nebraska
        75 Baltimore Chris Redman QB Louisville
        76 New England J.R. Redmond FB Arizona State
        77 Pittsburgh Hank Poteat CB Pittsburgh
        78 N.Y. Jets Laveranues Coles WR Florida State
        79 Cleveland JaJuan Dawson WR Tulane
        80 Seattle Darrell Jackson WR Florida
        81 Detroit Reuben Droughns FB Oregon
        82 Carolina Leander Jordan T Indiana, Pa.
        83 San Diego Damion McIntosh T Kansas State
        84 Miami Ben Kelly CB Colorado
        85 Kansas City Greg Wesley SS Arkansas-Pine Bluff
        86 San Francisco Jeff Ulbrich ILB Hawaii
        87 Chicago Dustin Lyman TE Wake Forest
        88 Minnesota Doug Chapman RB Marshall
        89 Buffalo Corey Moore OLB Virginia Tech
        90 Tampa Bay Nate Webster MLB Miami
        91 Indianapolis David Macklin CB Penn State
        92 Jacksonville T.J. Slaughter ILB Southern Mississippi
        93 Tennessee Byron Frisch DE Brigham Young
        94 St. Louis John St. Clair T Virginia

        4th Round

        5 Cleveland Lewis Sanders CB Maryland
        96 New Orleans Terrelle Smith FB Arizona State
        97 Cincinnati Curtis Keaton RB James Madison
        98 Green Bay Na'il Diggs OLB Ohio State
        99 Philadelphia Gari Scott WR Michigan State
        100 Atlanta Michael Thompson T Tennessee State
        101 Denver Jerry Johnson DT Florida State
        102 Arizona David Barrett CB Arkansas
        103 Pittsburgh Danny Farmer WR UCLA
        104 St. Louis Kaulana Noa G Hawaii
        105 N.Y. Giants Brandon Short OLB Penn State
        106 Minnesota Antonio Wilson OLB Texas A&M-Commerce
        107 Oakland Junior Ioane DE Arizona State
        108 San Francisco John Keith SS Furman
        109 Dallas Kareem Larrimore CB West Texas A&M
        110 Cleveland Aaron Shea TE Michigan
        111 San Diego Trevor Gaylor WR Miami, O.
        112 Denver Cooper Carlisle G Florida
        113 San Diego Leonardo Carson DT Auburn
        114 Green Bay Anthony Lucas WR Arkansas
        115 Kansas City Frank Moreau RB Louisville
        116 Seattle Marcus Bell OLB Arizona
        117 Miami Deon Dyer FB North Carolina
        118 Minnesota Tyrone Carter SS Minnesota
        119 Seattle Isaiah Kacyvenski OLB Harvard
        120 Carolina Alvin McKinley DT Mississippi State
        121 Buffalo Avion Black WR Tennessee State
        122 Indianapolis Josh Williams DT Michigan
        123 Jacksonville Joe Chustz T Louisiana Tech
        124 Tennessee Bobby Myers FS Wisconsin
        125 Chicago Reggie Austin CB Wake Forest
        126 Green Bay Gary Berry FS Ohio State
        127 New England Greg Randall T Michigan State
        128 Tennessee Peter Sirmon OLB Oregon
        129 Washington Michael Moore G Troy State

        Round 5

        130 Cleveland Anthony Malbrough CB Texas Tech
        131 New Orleans Tutan Reyes G Mississippi
        132 San Francisco Paul Smith FB Texas-El Paso
        133 Cincinnati Robert Bean CB Mississippi State
        134 Atlanta Anthony Midget CB Virginia Tech
        135 Tennessee Aric Morris SS Michigan State
        136 Arizona Mao Tosi DT Idaho
        137 Pittsburgh Clark Haggans OLB Colorado State
        138 Indianapolis Matt Johnson C Brigham Young
        139 St. Louis Brian Young DT Texas-El Paso
        140 N.Y. Giants Ralph Brown CB Nebraska
        141 New England Dave Stachelski TE Boise State
        142 Oakland Shane Lechler P Texas A&M
        143 N.Y. Jets Windrell Hayes WR Southern California
        144 Dallas Michael Wiley RB Ohio State
        145 Detroit Todd Franz SS Tulsa
        146 Cleveland Lamar Chapman CB Kansas State
        147 Carolina Gillis Wilson DE Southern U.
        148 Baltimore Richard Mercier G Miami
        149 Green Bay Kabeer Gbaja-Biamila OLB San Diego State
        150 San Francisco John Milem DE Lenoir-Rhyne
        151 Green Bay Joey Jamison WR Texas Southern
        152 Miami Arturo Freeman FS South Carolina
        153 Kansas City Dante' Hall WR Texas A&M
        154 Denver Muneer Moore WR Richmond
        155 Washington Quincy Sanders DB Nevada-Las Vegas
        156 Buffalo Sammy Morris RB Texas Tech
        157 Tampa Bay James Whalen TE Kentucky
        158 New Orleans Austin Wheatley TE Iowa
        159 Jacksonville Kiwaukee Thomas CB Georgia Southern
        160 Tennessee Frank Chamberlin MLB Boston College
        161 New England Jeff Marriott G Missouri
        162 Kansas City Pat Dennis CB Louisiana-Monroe
        163 Pittsburgh Tee Martin QB Tennessee
        164 Arizona Jay Tant TE Northwestern
        165 Minnesota Troy Walters WR Stanford
        166 New Orleans Chad Morton RB Southern California

        Round 6

        167 Miami Ernest Grant DT Arkansas-Pine Bluff
        168 New Orleans Marc Bulger QB West Virginia
        169 Cincinnati Neil Rackers K Illinois
        170 Chicago Frank Murphy WR Kansas State
        171 Philadelphia Thomas Hamner RB Minnesota
        172 Atlanta Mareno Philyaw WR Troy State
        173 Pittsburgh Chris Combs DE Duke
        174 Chicago Paul Edinger K Michigan State
        175 Seattle James Williams WR Marshall
        176 Arizona Jabari Issa DE Washington
        177 N.Y. Giants Dhani Jones OLB Michigan
        178 Philadelphia John Frank DE Utah
        179 N.Y. Jets Tony Scott CB North Carolina State
        180 Dallas Mario Edwards CB Florida State
        181 Detroit Quinton Reese DE Auburn
        182 Carolina Jeno James G Auburn
        183 Cleveland Spergon Wynn QB S.W. Texas State
        184 San Diego Shannon Taylor OLB Virginia
        185 Seattle Tim Watson DT Rowan
        186 Baltimore Adalius Thomas OLB Southern Mississippi
        187 New England Antwan Harris FS Virginia
        188 Kansas City Darnell Alford G Boston College
        189 Denver Mike Anderson FB Utah
        190 Seattle John Hilliard DT Mississippi State
        191 Baltimore Cedric Woodard DT Texas
        192 Philadelphia John Romero C California
        193 Tampa Bay David Gibson SS Southern California
        194 Buffalo Leif Larsen DT Texas-El Paso
        195 New Orleans Michael Hawthorne CB Purdue
        196 Jacksonville Emanuel Smith WR Arkansas
        197 Tennessee Robaire Smith DE Michigan State
        198 St. Louis Matt Bowen SS Iowa
        199 New England Tom Brady QB Michigan
        200 New Orleans Sherrod Gideon WR Southern Mississippi
        201 New England David Nugent DE Purdue
        202 Washington Todd Husak QB Stanford
        203 San Diego Damen Wheeler DB Colorado
        204 Pittsburgh Jason Gavadza TE Kent State
        205 San Diego JaJuan Seider QB Florida A&M
        206 Cleveland Brad Bedell T Colorado

        the Broncos 2002 draft sheet:

        1st: Deltha O'neal
        2nd: Ian Gold
        3rd: Chris Cole
        4th: Cooper Carlisle
        5th: Muneer Moore
        6th: Mike Anderson

        4 of these 6 currenlly hold a starting spot on an NFL team.

        RB's in the 00' Draft

        1.Jamal Lewis (5th Overall)
        2.Thomas Jones (7th Overall)
        3.Ron Dayne (11th Overall)
        4.Shaun Alexander (19th overall)
        5.Trung Canidate (31st Overall)

        6.Travis Prentice (63rd Overall)
        7.Doug Chapman (88th Overall)
        8.Curtis Keaton (97 Overall)
        9.Frank moreau (115th Overall)
        10.Michael Wiley 144 Overall)
        11.Sammy Morris (156 Overall)
        12.Chad Morton (New Orleans)

        Mike Anderson (189 Overall)

        only 3 of the 12 selected before MA have gone on to have fruitful NFL careers, and one of those 3 (Jones) has not put up a 1000 yard season to date (although 942 season)

        For my money, i trust Shannahan as the best judge of RB talent in Draft's in the NFL, and I'd like him to continue picking whatever is necessary at the time before choosing an RB, unless he sees the next TD (which even if Bell or MA go off on a 1000 yard season, and he doesnt see a better player on the board, he will grab him)
        Blet

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        • #79
          Originally posted by Broncos04Champs
          OrangePeel you better be around in April. You are like the king of the draft history. It's so weird to see which players slipped like Shaun Alexander caught my eye.

          This upcoming draft is the first one I will have ever really looked forward to. (I was born April 19th 1983 so I missed one of our more important drafts)
          why thank you, but i am in no way near "king" status , but i appreciate the compliment.

          All of this can be found on NFl.com's draft resource, all i am doing is reseraching the individual player i am making a judgement on, etc.

          I have been watching my fairshare of college football this year though (4 games a week+3 Tivo'd) and then looking at Mock Drafts and Draft Resources, so hopefully i can lend a wise ear in the 2006 Draft. Until then, lets go broncs!
          Blet

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          • #80
            Originally posted by rcsodak
            Here's an idea that I haven't seen mentioned....

            How 'bout keeping Washington's pick, and I'm assuming it's an earlier pick, and trading denver's for more picks and/or another 1st rounder next year, like they did this year.

            We'd still have a #1 pick, with a chance for an early to mid-rounder, plus additionals.........

            Could be the best of both worlds, what with the CBA fiasco and all........
            This is something I've kind of thought about...Just keep trading a 1st for some extra picks and a first next year.

            If this was done for a few years, it could really add up to a lot of extra picks.

            There's always some coach/GM that needs to win NOW that will trade next year for this one, which is a benefit of having a stable front office with Shanny, in that he can wait.

            You keep trading until the "next year's" pick really pays off with a frachise type player (Elway, Bo Jackson).

            I doubt this will happen, but it's a fun for conversation...Why not just keep trading the extra #1 for more picks every year?

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            • #81
              Originally posted by lvbronx

              I doubt this will happen, but it's a fun for conversation...Why not just keep trading the extra #1 for more picks every year?

              ..
              To make a long answer short,
              The Value Chart
              Teams use it to determine whether a trade involving draft picks is balanced. It is tough to find a team that can make a fair trade for a #1 on a yearly basis.

              Unless that team is owned by Dan Snyder.
              A proponent of Denver drafting Cutler since 10/05.

              So naturally, my Adopt-A-Bronco is Jay Cutler!

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              • #82
                Originally posted by PsychoChicken
                To make a long answer short,
                The Value Chart
                Teams use it to determine whether a trade involving draft picks is balanced. It is tough to find a team that can make a fair trade for a #1 on a yearly basis.

                Unless that team is owned by Dan Snyder.

                This chart is for trading down in the same draft....The chart needs to show the "value" for trading a #1 this year, for a number one NEXT year, not for trading down in the same year. Another problem with these charts is that not all drafts are the same so not all slots can have the same relative numbers.

                The truth is, we traded a #25 to the Skins...We can keep trading it (just theory) until it's a Top 5, collecting interest in the form of extra 3s and 4s along the way, until it the pick is a "jack pot".

                Again, I said it will never happen, however the THEORY is worth discussing and my point is that I feel coaches that have to win NOW are at a disadvantage over coaches with stability.

                And because of this, I theorize that coaches over-pay to move up a year. If Shanny felt his job was in any jeopardy, he wouldn't have traded a #1 this year for next, he would have used it to help NOW.

                Also consider there's a 24/32 chance or 75% chance we will have a higher draft pick this year than last, based on us having traded the 25th pick in the draft and 32 teams in the NFL, based on pure math. If you feel the Skins are better/worse than average, adjust this number accordingly to suit your guesstimate.

                Factor in that next year is presumed to be "better", and those projections are usually accurate, and that we got an extra #3 (Foxworth??? Who???) and number 4.

                All we lost is a "year", but we'll even make up that year at the end of the players' careers...

                Every year there seems to be one of these trades...And I always feel the team with the patience got the better of the trades...And if there are any more of these type of trades, I hope we're the one with patience making the trade.

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                • #83
                  Honestly, I would rather see us take more later picks rather then a top 5, unless theres the next Steve Atwater or Shannon Sharpe in the top 5. Then maybe. Or the next Randy Moss, but those guys dont come along often, so yea, like I said, move down.

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                  • #84
                    Originally posted by Fat Joe
                    Honestly, I would rather see us take more later picks rather then a top 5, unless theres the next Steve Atwater or Shannon Sharpe in the top 5. Then maybe. Or the next Randy Moss, but those guys dont come along often, so yea, like I said, move down.
                    I don't want the Broncos to trade picks to move down. Denver is a good football team and has been for years. Good football teams already have quality players with a minimum number of positions to fill. Since you can only keep 53, obtaining a multitude of draft picks just means that more often than not you will just have to cut rookies. Few will be able to make the team.

                    I would prefer that Denver use extra picks to trade up a few spots to get a player at a need position that warrants being picked at that slot rather than taking another player at that position too early. If that is not a possibility, then use them as trade bait. I have been happy with our recent trades. Sometimes a long shot in the draft pays off but the chances are you will just have to cut them at the end of camp and thereby losing the value of the pick.

                    I am not recomending moving up into the top 5 picks. They are just priced too high unless your team is extremely desperate.
                    Last edited by Dean; 10-09-2005, 07:50 AM.

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                    • #85
                      Originally posted by Dean
                      I don't want the Broncos to trade picks to move down. Denver is a good football team and has been for years. Good football teams already have quality players with a minimum number of positions to fill. Since you can only keep 53, obtaining a multitude of draft picks just means that more often than not you will just have to cut rookies. Few will be able to make the team.

                      I would prefer that Denver use extra picks to trade up a few spots to get a player at a need position that warrants being picked at that slot rather than taking another player at that position too early. If that is not a possibility, then use them as trade bait. I have been happy with our recent trades. Sometimes a long shot in the draft pays off but the chances are you will just have to cut them at the end of camp and thereby losing the value of the pick.

                      I am not recomending moving up into the top 5 picks. They are just priced too high unless your team is extremely desperate.
                      Good reasoning. Let me add I hope that the Broncos hire a real GM with player personnel exprience that can help in teh area of teh draft to improve on the chances of the draft choice being taken will stick and contribute.

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