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    With a foundation of Gerard Warren and John Abraham suit you guys?


    He took a different path, but in just two offseasons, if Abraham is brought in, Shanahan will have secured the D-linemen we all have been clamoring for...

  • #2
    Abraham should be marked fragile.
    http://216.58.161.132/forums/showthread.php?p=497087#post497087

    Above I will list all my predictions for the 2005 season.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by rugbythug
      Abraham should be marked fragile.
      Fragile, perhaps, but pretty damn good. He played all 16 games last year. I really want him here in Denver. He's an elite pass rusher, and he's still a few years away from 30. Isn't that exactly the kind of player we need?

      If Warren stays for the right price, I'd guess I'd be content with that, but I still don't really like him as a 3-technique tackle. With him and Myers on the field, it's like having two NTs rather than one NT and one UT (think Trevor Pryce in his prime as an ideal UT). There are so many other available players who could do a better job than Warren at the 3-technique position at a better price.
      A proponent of Denver drafting Cutler since 10/05.

      So naturally, my Adopt-A-Bronco is Jay Cutler!

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      • #4
        I think abraham will be to xpensive
        the space that is mine



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        • #5
          Originally posted by PsychoChicken
          Fragile, perhaps, but pretty damn good. He played all 16 games last year. I really want him here in Denver. He's an elite pass rusher, and he's still a few years away from 30. Isn't that exactly the kind of player we need?

          If Warren stays for the right price, I'd guess I'd be content with that, but I still don't really like him as a 3-technique tackle. With him and Myers on the field, it's like having two NTs rather than one NT and one UT (think Trevor Pryce in his prime as an ideal UT). There are so many other available players who could do a better job than Warren at the 3-technique position at a better price.
          Myers is consistent but mediocre. Warren is playing one-and-a-half positions on the line right now. I would really like to have seen Pryce consent to restructure, gain back some weight, and go back to DT. However, that is not now an opportunity, of course. But Warren is a 4-3 tackle. That is what he wants to be, and that is what he does best. In fact, I don't know what it is that some people don't like in him. He did a very good job this year . . . . better than anyone else on the squad would have done.

          Nonetheless, having Warren, Brown, and Abraham on the same line would go a long way toward solving our DL problems. IMHO.

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          • #6
            not sure if it'll happen or not, but i would LOVE to see abraham in blue and orange! he's exactly what we need-- a premier pass rusher. he's still in his prime, and he's a proven commodity-- he would instantly upgrade our defense!

            as i've stated in previous posts, i'm only lukewarm on warren-- i'm not opposed to retaining him, but i do have reservations about his effort once he locks up a contract. . . i thought he played pretty well this year, but i certainly wasn't blown away. . . if it came right down to a choice between spending the money to re-sign warren or bring in abraham, i would be all for abraham. if we can afford them both, fine-- sounds good to me. if it's one or the other, i'll take the elite pass rusher and take my chances that other guys can replace warren. . .
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            rest in peace, darrent williams and damien nash-- you will be missed!!

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            • #7
              Where is the money coming from?

              How can the Broncos afford a high-priced Veteran DE? This years draft gives the team the chance to build a great defensive line. Remember that rookies are usually much cheaper than veterans. Trade up and grab Mario Williams and there are still three or four picks on day one. It is a deep draft in many places, so take advantage of it and sign some long-term contracts that won't kill the cap every year.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by tpryce93
                I think abraham will be to xpensive
                Exactly check this out:

                Article Launched: 03/02/2006 1:00 AM MST

                nfl
                Broncos looking to fill holes
                To replace three veterans who were cut, Denver can turn to its depth or make moves elsewhere for help.
                By Mike Klis
                Denver Post Staff Writer





                With Trevor Pryce, left, cut from the Broncos onWednesday, defensive end Ebenezer Ekuban, right, likely will get even more playing time in 2006. (Post / Steve Dykes)

                In their quest to take that final step toward the Super Bowl, the Broncos apparently felt they first had to take three steps back.

                Gone are defensive end Trevor Pryce, running back Mike Anderson and tight end Jeb Putzier. All were released Wednesday, victims of the salary cap.

                The Broncos probably would not have secured home-field advantage for the AFC championship game last season without them. How are the Broncos supposed to win the Super Bowl now that they're gone?

                The Broncos will have to replace them with better
                WHAT NOW?
                With the free-agent signing period opening Friday, the Broncos can quickly address the departures of Trevor Pryce, Mike Anderson and Jeb Putzier. A look at how the Broncos can replace those players:
                TREVOR PRYCE, DE
                In-house: More playing time for Ebenezer Ekuban, Courtney Brown and John Engelberger. Watch out for scout-squad player Corey Jackson. Outside: Could use 22nd or 29th overall draft pick on a defensive end. Will explore trade for Jets DE John Abraham.

                MIKE ANDERSON, RB
                In-house: Ron Dayne becomes the power back, but Tatum Bell could move from 1-B to 1-A. Outside: With potentially five draft picks in the first three rounds, the Broncos will likely use one on a running back.

                JEB PUTZIER, TE
                In-house: Stephen Alexander is the starter. Candidates for the TE pass-catching specialist are Wesley Duke, Nate Jackson and newcomers Landon Trusty and Chad Mustard. Outside: The draft has a deep tight end class with the likes of Mercedes Lewis, Anthony Fasano, Domonique Byrd and Joe Klopfenstein available.

                - MIKE KLIS




                players.

                "I feel good about the depth on our football team, and the plan we've talked about will still go forward," Broncos general manager Ted Sundquist said.

                Pryce had 64 sacks in nine years with Broncos, but only four in the 2005 season and none in 2004, when he underwent major back surgery.

                The Broncos' first choice to replace him may be to swing a trade with the New York Jets for defensive end John Abraham, who has had at least 10 sacks in his past four full seasons.

                However, Abraham is scheduled to make $8.33 million next season, and the Broncos are expected to be less than $5 million under the salary cap by today's deadline.

                Most likely, the Broncos will move Corey Jackson from the practice squad into their defensive line rotation, which will include Courtney Brown, Ebenezer Ekuban, Gerard Warren, Michael Myers, Demetrin Veal and John Engelberger.

                The Broncos could use one of their two first-round draft picks on a defensive end. Among the top prospects who could be available when the Broncos select at the 22nd and 29th overall spots are




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                Penn State's Tamba Hali, Florida State's Kamerion Wimbley and Boston College's Mathias Kiwanuka.
                As for replacing Anderson, the Broncos had planned to use Ron Dayne as their power back. The question is whether speed back Tatum Bell will get more carries. During the 2005 season, Anderson averaged roughly 16 carries a game to 11.5 carries for Bell.

                There's also a chance the Broncos' No. 1 running back isn't on the team yet. Denver could select an elite rushing prospect within the first three rounds of the April 29-30 draft.

                Among the backs expect to go in the second or third round are LSU's Joseph Addai, Mississippi State's Jerious Norwood, Wisconsin's Brian Calhoun and UCLA's Maurice Drew. And if Southern California's LenDale White slips to No. 22?

                "I'm not worried about that," Bell said. "Me, Dayne and whoever they draft."


                Footnotes
                Sundquist said Wednesday the plan was still to retain tackle Matt Lepsis and Warren. Today is the last chance to secure the players before they hit the open market. Sundquist remains optimistic the deals will get done. ... Among the teams that could be interested in Putzier are Houston and Washington. Anderson could attract interest from Houston and Miami.

                He would be expensive, but it would still be nice to have him nonetheless imho.
                John 11: 25-27

                My Adopt-A-Bronco is D.J. Williams



                Thanks Snk16

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                • #9
                  That article only tells half of the story. While it is true he currently is worth 8.5 million, if he was to come to Denver, it would not be at that price. A franchise player is traded by working out a deal with his previous club that suits his potential club. Once a new deal is worked, it must include relatively close roster bonuses, so that once traded, the new team bears the entire contract, rather than the old team taking on a substantial cap hit. In this way, a team can aquire a tagged player without paying tag money. If Denver was to in fact aquire Abraham, this is how it would be done.

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                  • #10
                    But why are we giving up a first round pick like has been rumored? SOunds like we are bidding against ourselves.
                    http://216.58.161.132/forums/showthread.php?p=497087#post497087

                    Above I will list all my predictions for the 2005 season.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by dogfish
                      not sure if it'll happen or not, but i would LOVE to see abraham in blue and orange! he's exactly what we need-- a premier pass rusher. he's still in his prime, and he's a proven commodity-- he would instantly upgrade our defense!

                      as i've stated in previous posts, i'm only lukewarm on warren-- i'm not opposed to retaining him, but i do have reservations about his effort once he locks up a contract. . . i thought he played pretty well this year, but i certainly wasn't blown away. . . if it came right down to a choice between spending the money to re-sign warren or bring in abraham, i would be all for abraham. if we can afford them both, fine-- sounds good to me. if it's one or the other, i'll take the elite pass rusher and take my chances that other guys can replace warren. . .

                      would you rather have a rookie dtackle lining up with myers and veal but abe on the end, or warren in the middle with kiwi/lawson or whomever playing end? personally i go with warren, but both scenarios have merit.

                      another possibility: trading for abe, signing warren, cutting brown and doing whats necessary to draft tambi hall. brown and the #22 might be enough to move up 6-7 places. if not brown, a #3 this year and next perhaps.
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                      • #12
                        i think if denver goes with abraham or a ookie DE it would help force the QB up in the pocket and with that i think warren gets more sacks..provideing he is re-signed and plays like he did in 2005
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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by bcbronc
                          would you rather have a rookie dtackle lining up with myers and veal but abe on the end, or warren in the middle with kiwi/lawson or whomever playing end? personally i go with warren, but both scenarios have merit.

                          another possibility: trading for abe, signing warren, cutting brown and doing whats necessary to draft tambi hall. brown and the #22 might be enough to move up 6-7 places. if not brown, a #3 this year and next perhaps.
                          i would prefer the former scenario, although i think the latter is more likely-- i'm still not entirely sold on warren. i DO think it's a little easier for a rookie to be productive at DE than DT, but that's certainly not a rule. . . abraham has been very productive throughout his career-- the same can't be said of warren. . .

                          i personally would take kiwi or lawson over hali because i have read projections that hali won't be a top pass rusher at the next level-- doesn't mean that it's true, and i expect him to be a good player, but he's shorter and maybe not as athletic as the other two. . . he's definitely got a great motor, and may be better against the run than either of the others-- but i'm not sure he has quite as much potential as a pass rusher. . .

                          i'm not a huge courtney brown fan, but since we let pryce go we'll probably want to keep him so that we have a true LDE power end type on the roster who can seal the edge against the run. . . ultimately, i would love to see us spend multiple picks on the DL, even multiple high picks-- i would see NOTHING wrong with adding a DE and a DT on the 1st day, even in the 1st round. . . it is far past time that we invest some picks in our DL and quit bringing in retreads from other teams. . . obviously, a pro bowl, double-digit sack guy like abraham doesn't fit this category-- top talent in his prime would be awesome, but i've had enough "browncos" and that lot to last forever. . .
                          Officially Objectified by the GPA

                          rest in peace, darrent williams and damien nash-- you will be missed!!

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                          • #14
                            I would love to get abraham, but I also love draft picks. Like dogfish just said I really think our d-line needs some youth injected into it.
                            So i am really still up in the air about Abraham

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Dub-DeuceKnight
                              I would love to get abraham, but I also love draft picks. Like dogfish just said I really think our d-line needs some youth injected into it.
                              So i am really still up in the air about Abraham
                              the problem with abraham is he is older then a draft pick and has proven himself ...with a draft pick its hit or miss.. i think if denver is close as they think they are they have to go with abraham just becuase he i a proven commodity..but if you want to inject some youth in your system that is the way we should go
                              The fool who fancies he is full of wisdom
                              While he sits by his hearth at home.
                              Quickly finds when questioned by others .
                              That he knows nothing at all.

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