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  • TD Machine
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    Originally posted by jletourneau

    15. traded to Tampa for #23 & #59
    23. LenDale White, RB, USC
    37. traded to Green Bay for Javon Walker
    59. Joe Klopfenstein, TE, Colorado
    61. D. Bing/K. Simpson/A. Smith at Safety---- whoever is still available of the 3
    68. Omar Jacobs, QB, Bowling Green
    Man... White is not as great as advertised. That line was absolutely incredible along with the fact he had a man named Reggie Bush carry the ball the whole field, and in the red zone be taken out so LenDale can run his 15 yards in 3 or 4 carries for a TD a game. Easy for a D-1 running back in that situation.

    I'll take Javon for that pick.

    Can Klopf hang? I haven't seen any videos yet.

    I'll take any of those safeties, along with Donte Whitner from OSU would be awesome. Omar Jacobs pick would be nothing less than awesome, he's a great QB.

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  • cinnamunmun
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    Originally posted by WABronco
    But there's nothing we can do about it! Our DE depth chart is full of guys who just got brand spankin' new deals...guys like Ekuban, Brown, Engelberger, Lang. Then you add on Shanny's little pet project Corey Jackson, and there's really no room for one...
    I'm just pulling for Corey Jackson to have a Rod Smith kind of career....DE style.

    *sigh* maybe Brown too. I wish I still had my foam brick to throw at the TV...

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  • Archimedes Owl
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    Originally posted by WABronco
    But there's nothing we can do about it! Our DE depth chart is full of guys who just got brand spankin' new deals...guys like Ekuban, Brown, Engelberger, Lang. Then you add on Shanny's little pet project Corey Jackson, and there's really no room for one...
    There are lots of defensive tackle prospects in the second round. Just a thought, but we could use an upgrade there.

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  • WABronco
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    Originally posted by DiehardinAlaska
    Sure we can trade up, down, sideways, and six ways from Sunday but if we don't address our defensive line we're just pursuing the same foolhardy path of the last 6 years!
    But there's nothing we can do about it! Our DE depth chart is full of guys who just got brand spankin' new deals...guys like Ekuban, Brown, Engelberger, Lang. Then you add on Shanny's little pet project Corey Jackson, and there's really no room for one...

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  • DiehardinAlaska
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    yay still no D

    Sure we can trade up, down, sideways, and six ways from Sunday but if we don't address our defensive line we're just pursuing the same foolhardy path of the last 6 years!

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  • HORSEPOWER 56
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    Originally posted by jletourneau
    This is simply speculation on my part, but I get the feeling that if someone unexpected does not slip in the draft that Denver will wait until they're on the clock at 15, and trade the pick. If no one they want slips.

    The key is, I'd look for Denver to deal with Tampa Bay at 23. I think there's a good chance that without someone slipping, Denver will decide they like the 2nd round WR prospects better than the 1st and will decide on RB in round 1. But, hopefully Shanny will realize that LenDale, who I believe is his back of choice, will still be there a number of picks beyond 15.

    In a deal with Tampa, we would acquire their 2nd round pick, #59, which very nearly matches up points wise. We get an extra 30 points, but that is very often what occurs when the deals are done on draft day, you have to overpay.

    Tampa is looking for help at DB and WR most notably, and has been rumored to be very interested in Chad Jackson though there is virtually no chance he'll last to 23. I would not be at all surprised to see Tampa make this move with us that would be a great benefit.

    Not only would we walk out of the first round with a guy who Shanny might be prone to take earlier at 15, but we'd have a 3rd second round pick, thus easily allowing us to deal one for Javon Walker and make 2 picks of our own.

    This to me is a great draft day scenario IMO:

    15. traded to Tampa for #23 & #59
    23. LenDale White, RB, USC
    37. traded to Green Bay for Javon Walker
    59. Joe Klopfenstein, TE, Colorado
    61. D. Bing/K. Simpson/A. Smith at Safety---- whoever is still available of the 3
    68. Omar Jacobs, QB, Bowling Green


    I would be downright giddy over that scenario. Even though I would love to see a pure pass rusher like Kiwi, I just don't see us going in that direction when looking at the roster right now. Perhaps if Lelie is dealt he could net a late 3rd round pick to use on someone like Victor Adeyanju, DE, Indiana.

    I would cry tears of joy if this were to come to fruition!

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  • pipes
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    Originally posted by ElwaystillKing
    Finally...something we can all agree on.

    If Williams or Maroney are avaiable at 23-26...PICK Maroney up.

    I'm still not sold on William's injury history, but at least we wouldn't be wasting a high pick. We'd get another pick in the process.

    I still think that it is funny how White and Maroney supporters are always speaking of Williams's injuries. And yet since the end of the season, the only one that has had no limp-is Williams.

    White never even ran a 40 time, I know I know, hamstring tear. OK, but his bench and other stuff he actually did participate in, was not up to Williams.

    Maroney got off one good 40 time, then came up lame when running another.

    Look, I watched the National Championship game and I thought that White was the second best player on the field-next to Young. I came away very impressed, as I was during the year when I saw him play.

    I also like Maroney. He is a very good back and as some have pimped on these boards-he ran in a zone blocking scheme. Living in Northern Iowa, I get a lot of Minnesota news and have actually watched him in person at the Metrodome. But during the year, it seemed like there was always something tweeked on him...usually his ankle or hamstring. And this was his only year as top dog in the backfield.

    Williams is the only one that I have not seen play, other than highlights of course. He is obviously very talented and has shown the ability to be a feature back.

    Any of these backs could be an upgrade to the backfield, I have to doubt that any of them will don the orange and blue however.

    Shanny knows how to mix and match his runningbacks for his system. If he can turn turds into diamonds, then why spend the extra money that a first rounder would command.

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  • bcbronc
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    another team i'll throw in the mix as a possible trade partner is new england. their defense revolves around their linebackers. their is a lot of value at LB at 15, and i could see new england trying to move ahead of miami, dallas and san diego if they fall in love with somebody specific.

    im not sure what the value chart says, but i wouldnt be surprised if any trade back involves picks for next season. for NE as an example, the 21, a 4th or 5th, and a 2nd for next season. having 4 first day picks already, im not sure how many more we can add. you can only give so many roster spots to rookies, and not many first day picks are going to last on the practise squad.

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  • ElwaystillKing
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    Finally...something we can all agree on.

    If Williams or Maroney are available at 23-26...PICK Maroney up.

    I'm still not sold on William's injury history, but at least we wouldn't be wasting a high pick. We'd get another pick in the process.
    Last edited by ElwaystillKing; 04-23-2006, 10:24 PM.

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  • Adrenaline
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    Originally posted by jletourneau
    This to me is a great draft day scenario IMO:

    15. traded to Tampa for #23 & #59
    23. LenDale White, RB, USC
    37. traded to Green Bay for Javon Walker
    59. Joe Klopfenstein, TE, Colorado
    61. D. Bing/K. Simpson/A. Smith at Safety---- whoever is still available of the 3
    68. Omar Jacobs, QB, Bowling Green


    I would be downright giddy over that scenario.
    Downright giddy is right!

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  • jletourneau
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    Originally posted by WABronco
    Really? I hadn't heard that one.

    Even after they re-signed Hilliard?
    It was real brief mention I'd heard before buzz started going nuts lately, and it makes sense. They flirted with the T.O thing, and Jackson is compared to that mold. They have recently had questions about Clayton, even though he'll probably re-emerge this year. Galloway is getting older, and Hilliard is a #3 AT BEST, and Jackson would need to be groomed anyway as he plays a role of a 3/4.

    In proximity, it's likely that Gruden has had plenty of looks at Jackson, and probably has some good inside local sources if he were to try and find out more.

    Plus, Tampa flirted with the idea of a big WR last year in Mike Williams who took the backseat to Cadillac. So if you put the pieces together, even without national mention recently, it does make sense that they might be interested. And, Gruden is an offensive guy by trade and always likes to keep an eye out for that true playmaker type, hence his mini flirtation with the idea of T.O. even though it never got past stage one.

    Tampa and Jackson could really make sense, but the question would lie as to whether they like him enough to give up a 2nd to get him, or if they just hope he drops. Remember, the year they drafted M. Clayton at 15 was when Denver was at 17 and wanted Clayton too. Gruden said he'd make the trade for those TWO spots in the draft for the price of a 2nd round pick, Shanny thought it was too much for Clayton and went with D.J. instead.

    The other possibility is if TB wants a S/CB like Jimmy Williams or Jason Allen, another position of need for them. Jumping to 15 would get them in front of DB happy teams like Dallas, KC, NE, SD, Miami, etc. That would be another strong reason for Tampa to be considered a favorite target if we were to try and move down into the early to mid twenties.
    Last edited by jletourneau; 04-23-2006, 04:22 PM.

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  • WABronco
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    Originally posted by jletourneau
    Yeah, his thread is very similar in premise. I think 26 is the VERY FURTHEST we could move back, I think we need to stay in front of Carolina, Jacksonvile and Indianapolis because any of the 3 could look to snag White or Maroney presuming Williams is gone by then. And, any of them could muster enough ammunition to move up a couple spaces if need be to get the guy in front of us if we move too far back.

    It will definitely have to be done carefully. I could see a trade with NY, etc, but I think I'd prefer Tampa if possible because it keeps us just high enough to prevent much leapfrogging by other teams.
    Anyone from 23-26 works for me. Each of those teams has a legit need in order to trade up, so...

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  • WABronco
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    Originally posted by jletourneau
    one of the reasons with Tampa is that they have a need at WR, and they are said to really like Chad Jackson. So 15 is the optimum place they need to move up to get him.
    Really? I hadn't heard that one.

    Even after they re-signed Hilliard?

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  • jletourneau
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    Originally posted by Archimedes Owl
    Check out this thread made by WABronco.

    In it, we talk about potentially trading back with the Giants, but Tampa Bay, Chicago, Carolina and Cincy have picks in the first and second round that approximate our points value.

    The Giants, Bears, and Panthers have some need at reciever. Toomer is aging, Chicago is Chicago, and Keyshawn is only a temporary solution, so it's feasible that any of them would be willing trading partners.

    We're in a spot to snag prospects that fall out of the top ten, but if one of those picks is at a position that we don't need, we could probably work with one of these teams to move back and still pick up a good prospect at a position of need at around 25 and a second rounder to boot.

    Heck, with a team like Carolina, we could probably also snag a fourth rounder in moving back.

    We already have two fourth rounders to potentially move up in the second if we see a prospect we like.

    Moving back and having 5 picks in the top 68 picks.

    *DROOL*

    I REALLY like this idea.

    One pitfall to consider is that most of these teams may be hesitant to move forward. After all, consider what it took for the Atlanta falcons to move back from 15 to 29 was only a late third round pick. Why was this??

    Was this because teams were unwilling to trade forward??

    If this is so, it would be worrisome. Our best hope would be for somebody that has high value that we don't need to drop. Then our pick might look more enticing.
    Yeah, his thread is very similar in premise. I think 26 is the VERY FURTHEST we could move back, I think we need to stay in front of Carolina, Jacksonvile and Indianapolis because any of the 3 could look to snag White or Maroney presuming Williams is gone by then. And, any of them could muster enough ammunition to move up a couple spaces if need be to get the guy in front of us if we move too far back.

    It will definitely have to be done carefully. I could see a trade with NY, etc, but I think I'd prefer Tampa if possible because it keeps us just high enough to prevent much leapfrogging by other teams.

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  • jletourneau
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    one of the reasons with Tampa is that they have a need at WR, and they are said to really like Chad Jackson. So 15 is the optimum place they need to move up to get him.

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