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  • My Manny Lawson Thread

    Based on everything that has happened I had given up on a speed rusher but after this was posted today from Scouts inc I am now getting my hopes up again.

    According to a source, the Eagles would take Jackson if Justice is off the board. While Jackson is a better fit for the Eagles because of his size, speed and overall upside, the Broncos prefer Ohio State receiver Santonio Holmes over Jackson. The Broncos need to use their 15th pick on a player who can help right away, and Holmes is clearly the more polished route runner and more proven commodity at this point.

    There is concern among the Denver brass that Holmes could be gone by the 15th selection, but the Broncos don't like Holmes enough to package picks in order to move up for him. If Holmes is gone, the Broncos will first entertain trade-down offers, and then, if they can't find an appropriate suitor, will make a tough decision between Minnesota running back Laurence Maroney and NC State's Lawson. As a side note, one of the reasons the Broncos value Maroney over Memphis' DeAngelo Williams is because of Maroney's experience in a similar zone-blocking offensive scheme at Minnesota.


    I will go on record and say that I believe a good speed rusher would be the biggest impact on our team. We could then go TE in round 2 and trade for Walker.

  • #2
    Maroney...

    Anyways, yea, if we don't move up I'd like Lawson at 15. I am a bit concerned at how slim he is. Apparently he weighed in at a mere 130 pounds at his pro day. It'd be interesting to see how they would use him. Maybe as a standup guy?

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    • #3
      Lol

      130 pounds...I mean 230 pounds.

      Yea, if he's 130 pounds...don't draft him.

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      • #4
        I hear you on Lawson. For the last couple weeks now I've really still felt there was a good chance we'd look at Lawson at 15. Shanny wanted to get up for Freeney a few years ago, and tried again for Suggs, and I believe Lawson is the type of rusher Shanny is looking for.

        He's one of the guys I believe is on his list for the Shanny 5 this year that we've heard about after the draft the past two years.

        I would have no problem with Lawson. However, I wouldn't be surprised if Shanny still took a flier on LenDale White either. Trying to analyze the info I've heard and Shanny's opinion of players I tend to think his list of RB's goes something like L. White/L. Maroney, M. Drew, J. Addai, etc. as far as fits for him.

        I love DeAngelo as a player, I would love for him to be a Bronco because I believe he'll have a long productive career, but I don't see Shanny taking him.

        So for Lawson, if he was the pick at 15 I'd be all for it. If we don't take him there, pending what we do with trades, etc. I also wouldn't be surprised to see Shanny look at Hali or Tapp at 37. I think those 3, Lawson, Hali, Tapp are the 3 most likely edge rushers of the early round guys to possibly be a Bronco.

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        • #5
          I would love to see the broncos pick Lawson, but #15 would be too high, IMO. He has the frame to add weight, but I'd rather trade down and see if he is available later in the 1st rd. The only DL I'd strongly consider at #15 would be Bunkley.... if he falls that far. The 2nd round would have good value for a DE.
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          • #6
            I don't believe Lawson will be available much further down the board. I would be surprised if he lasted past the early 20s. I think we might be able to move down just a few slots and still get him.

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            • #7
              Good find. This all makes sense, and I would be thrilled if Lawson ended up as a Bronco. I think the Broncos like their DE's heavier, but Lawson has plenty of frame to beef up if necessary(as long as they don't slow him down.) The value at pick 15 is heavy on D, and I think Lawson would help us more this year than any of the others projected at 15.

              How about this?

              15 - Lawson DE
              37 - Maurice Drew or Joseph Addai - RB
              61 - Maurice Stovall or Demetruis Williams WR
              68 - Joe Klop or Anthony Fasano - TE
              4A - Dusty Dvoracek - DT
              4B -Jonathan Lewis - DT
              4C - Greg Eslinger - C
              5 - Reggie McNeal - QB
              6 - Dawan Landry - S

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              • #8
                I read somewhere that Lawson weighed in at a recent workout at 233 pounds, which is pretty damn small. I have wanted the Chiefs to take a look at him (they have since they brought him in for a visit) but at 233 pounds he really needs to bulk up before he can play at the NFL level.
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                • #9
                  While I love Manny Lawson and could see him as a John Abraham/ Jason Taylor-type, I also think that our early second round pick is right in the range of Mathias Kiwanuka, who is a roughly similar talent but will come at a cheaper price. I would not be dissapointed at all if we took a pass rusher on day one, I'm still unsure how it works out when you look at the roster and virtual guarantees given to the current ends.

                  Also, regarding Maroney, I liken his selection to this analogy: Say you are an oil company and you are looking to fill a top engineering position within the ranks. You have two candidates available, both are equally bright and should have solid futures in engineering. The difference is that one has a background in petroleum engineering, while the other received a general chemical engineering degree. Even though the one candidate does not have the degree in your specific field, you believe he has the knowledge to be at least competent in the field, it may just take time to learn the innerworkings of the field. The petroleum engineer, however, has the background in your field and you are 90% positive you know what you'll get out of him if hired, and he will require little, if any training time outside of conforming to company principles. Which of the candidates is a safer higher?

                  Simply put, Maroney has a college degree in cutback running in a zone system. He's as close to a proven commodity that you will find for the Broncos. It isn't that Williams isn't good, or unqualified, he just doesn't have the virtual guarantee Maroney holds.

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                  • #10
                    Lawson would be great.
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by OhNoKoolAid
                      While I love Manny Lawson and could see him as a John Abraham/ Jason Taylor-type, I also think that our early second round pick is right in the range of Mathias Kiwanuka, who is a roughly similar talent but will come at a cheaper price. I would not be dissapointed at all if we took a pass rusher on day one, I'm still unsure how it works out when you look at the roster and virtual guarantees given to the current ends.

                      Also, regarding Maroney, I liken his selection to this analogy: Say you are an oil company and you are looking to fill a top engineering position within the ranks. You have two candidates available, both are equally bright and should have solid futures in engineering. The difference is that one has a background in petroleum engineering, while the other received a general chemical engineering degree. Even though the one candidate does not have the degree in your specific field, you believe he has the knowledge to be at least competent in the field, it may just take time to learn the innerworkings of the field. The petroleum engineer, however, has the background in your field and you are 90% positive you know what you'll get out of him if hired, and he will require little, if any training time outside of conforming to company principles. Which of the candidates is a safer higher?

                      Simply put, Maroney has a college degree in cutback running in a zone system. He's as close to a proven commodity that you will find for the Broncos. It isn't that Williams isn't good, or unqualified, he just doesn't have the virtual guarantee Maroney holds.
                      I agree with you on the current roster. I had pretty much given up on the thought of a rush end when we missed out on Abraham and then signed Lang.

                      I do think Lawson is much faster than Kiwi but I would be ok with Kiwi in the second round. I do believe that Lawson will be an explosive edge rusher in this league. I am not so sure kiwi develops into that. I think he is a bit slower and tends to have poor fundamentals at the position.

                      after the season I felt the two biggest problems on our roster, were an explosive rush end and an explosive WR. I would like to see us address the rush end issue long term and draft a young fast stud. As far as the explosive WR I am not sure that is Jackson. The more tape I watch the less explosion and big play ability I see. He was also in a new system last year and some of that may have been natural tentativeness.

                      At this point I would rather go hard for Javon Walker and try to keep Lelie. I would be happy with that three WR set. Then take a guy later in the draft that could develop.

                      I like your analogy on Maroney. I think Williams is a better pure running back but Maroney knows our type of system.

                      as I said before I had given up on the thought of a rush end in this draft and this dang rumor has my mind going again. I hope it is not going to disappoint me.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by myoung
                        I agree with you on the current roster. I had pretty much given up on the thought of a rush end when we missed out on Abraham and then signed Lang.

                        I do think Lawson is much faster than Kiwi but I would be ok with Kiwi in the second round. I do believe that Lawson will be an explosive edge rusher in this league. I am not so sure kiwi develops into that. I think he is a bit slower and tends to have poor fundamentals at the position.

                        after the season I felt the two biggest problems on our roster, were an explosive rush end and an explosive WR. I would like to see us address the rush end issue long term and draft a young fast stud. As far as the explosive WR I am not sure that is Jackson. The more tape I watch the less explosion and big play ability I see. He was also in a new system last year and some of that may have been natural tentativeness.

                        At this point I would rather go hard for Javon Walker and try to keep Lelie. I would be happy with that three WR set. Then take a guy later in the draft that could develop.

                        I like your analogy on Maroney. I think Williams is a better pure running back but Maroney knows our type of system.

                        as I said before I had given up on the thought of a rush end in this draft and this dang rumor has my mind going again. I hope it is not going to disappoint me.
                        I've filed that rumor in the "pleasantly surprised if happens" file, and will do my best to ignore it until draft day.

                        As for Jackson, I still like him, but as far as overall value is concerned, I've passed him on my list with Demetrius Williams of Oregon, who would bring great value at the top of round two, and even more at the bottom of round two. My only concern with Williams is if we are set to take a wide receiver at the bottom of round two, half of the sources say he'll be there, and half say he won't.

                        I would think Shany would be high on Williams of Oregon too, being that he is similar in stature and elusiveness as Watts, but his hands and concentration are bigger stengths. I've seen him compared to everything from Chad Johnson to the reformed Darrell Jackson. Williams fits the west coast system to a T, with the only downside being blocking, which is a minor concern for a rookie wide receiver.

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                        • #13
                          We aren't drafting a DE.

                          I may want us to, you may want us to, the entire Bronco nation may want us to, but we simply do not have room.


                          Brown is obviously starting.

                          Ekuban, we just restructured, giving him nearly 2 million more in guaranteed money, he's obviously starting.

                          Lang was brought in to be the nickel rusher (thats quoted from Shanahan).

                          Engleberger resigned under the express promise he will be utilized in a more predominant role. "Mike and John sat down and discussed his role with the team, John came away satisfied that he would be a bigger part of the defense", that was from his agent upon resigning.



                          Ok, so that is 4 starters guaranteed to make the team. Guess what, we tend to only keep 4 DEs on the "dressed' list. The undressed DE? Corey Jackson. Who the team has been very high on all offseason.

                          So, if we draft Lawson or any other DE, not only early in the draft, but at ANY point in the draft, the only spot they have is the practice squad or perhaps they can beat out Jackson for the 5th DE spot, the undressed spot.

                          So, unless the team wants to be known as liars, which has occured before (See Ian Gold), they aren't drafting a DE. The reason I don't think we will lie this time and cut a player we promised will be involved in our defense is that most of these are Patterson's guys, and he is obviously a very loyal man.

                          Engleberger would be the obvious casualty, but that would be a nasty situation due to he resigning soley based on Mike's promise he will be more involved.

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                          • #14
                            Is there any possibility at all that they'd be looking at him as a stand up pass rusher, and therefore would play more linebacker than end?

                            According to Clayton, Denver is strongly considering a LB at the top of the second (as a pass rusher), so...

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by WABronco
                              Is there any possibility at all that they'd be looking at him as a stand up pass rusher, and therefore would play more linebacker than end?

                              According to Clayton, Denver is strongly considering a LB at the top of the second (as a pass rusher), so...
                              You know, I think this is an interesting thought. We could technically draft a pass rush specialist and use him as a situational pass rusher from the two-point stance, which would technically make him a LB. Kind of like how Chukwurah basically played a DE role, but was technically a LB. However, I don't think you'd draft this kind of player in the first or second rounds. McClover might be a good option, though.
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