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  • #16
    Originally posted by myoung
    I love our draft but most importantly I think that the other teams in our division tanked theirs.

    While I love Huff's talent I think it is great that the Raiders again passed on a potential set of franchise QBs. I had hoped they didn't learn their lesson from the Robert Gallery disaster, and it appears they didn't. Huff will be a good matchup for the TEs in the division but their D is still horrible. I love that we had a much more productive draft.

    The Chiefs and Chargers also had sub par drafts.

    What do you guys think? Am I wrong on this one?

    I love it. We went forward and I think they all did little to improve their teams.......
    Total agreement concerning Huff and passing up either Leinert or Cutler.

    I live in So. Cal, so you can understand that many of my friends are faider fans. I talked to many of them after the draft and said that I thought Huff would be a very good player for them (but hopefully not great).

    However, I also said that if I was a faider fan (God forbid!), I would be totally pissed off that greasy Al passed on a franchise QB on Sunday! He has been looking for a QB to lead them to the SB since Plunkitt, and when he has one in his grasp, he whiffs and takes a DB.

    Well, I expected the usual ribbing, like Leinert & Cutler are overrated ,or go back to Denver, or something like that. No, what I got everytime is...silence. Since you don't know- that is my freinds way of agreeing with me.
    "I've always thought that Raider fans in Oakland were not so much fans as they were 50,000 people out on a work-release program." - John Elway.

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    • #17
      KC

      I really like their 1st 3 picks.

      Hali - productive player with tons of heart. The kind of guy you love to have on your team. Sr. Bowl standout.

      Pollard - This safety can lay some wood !

      Croyle - I think he will become an NFL starter, and maybe a star.

      SD

      Cromartie - FSU players don't appeal to me.

      McNeil - Ok not great.

      Whitehurst - good pick

      OAK

      Huff - Should be a decent pro

      Howard - Like this guy a lot. Good speed and high character

      Denver deifinitely had the best draft in the AFC West.

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      • #18
        The only thing that makes me nervous is it seems like when you feel like you had a really good draft and expect all the players to kick ass, they don't, and vice versa. So, based on Murphy's Law, this is the worst draft in Denver history.


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        • #19
          Originally posted by DURANGO BRONCO
          KC

          I really like their 1st 3 picks.

          Hali - productive player with tons of heart. The kind of guy you love to have on your team. Sr. Bowl standout.

          Pollard - This safety can lay some wood !

          Croyle - I think he will become an NFL starter, and maybe a star.

          SD

          Cromartie - FSU players don't appeal to me.

          McNeil - Ok not great.

          Whitehurst - good pick

          OAK

          Huff - Should be a decent pro

          Howard - Like this guy a lot. Good speed and high character

          Denver deifinitely had the best draft in the AFC West.



          You do know that Javon Walker is an FSU alum, don't you? Some of the best defensive players are from there. Deion Sanders, Derrick Brooks, Peter and Michael Boulware just to name a few not to mention the 4 first rounders this year. FSU is an NFL rookie machine, just like Miami or Ohio State.

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          • #20
            Originally posted by Perry1977
            The only thing that makes me nervous is it seems like when you feel like you had a really good draft and expect all the players to kick ass, they don't, and vice versa. So, based on Murphy's Law, this is the worst draft in Denver history.


            That was what I was thinking... last year, without a 1st round pick, and the Chargers having two 1st rounds, the Chiefes drafting 15th.... at this point, things didn't look flattering.

            But, even though Chiefs and Chargers had good drafts, Denver draft was outstanding (OK, an overstatement... well above expectations); so who knows... following draft (lack of) logic, Hixon could be the big star of this draft...

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            • #21
              I hope FSU has worn off on Walker. I know there have been some great players come out of there, I just have very little respect for the FSU program.

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              • #22
                The Chargers picked UVA's backup kicker (the starter went undrafted). I don't care what else they did, that made my day.

                As for the Chiefs, I have the sneaking suspicion that Tamba Hali was picked because Peterson, and more importantly Herm Edwards, really liked his intangibles. He certainly wasn't worth a first rounder based on ability. Maxey and Webb were good picks, though.

                Oakland had a pretty good draft. I really like (in a way that makes me feel like a traitor) their first five picks: Huff, Howard, Paul McQuistan, Bing, and Boothe. That's two really good DBs, two solid small-school OLs, and one top LB. However, their draft still doesn't come close to ours, so I'm able to sleep at night.
                A proponent of Denver drafting Cutler since 10/05.

                So naturally, my Adopt-A-Bronco is Jay Cutler!

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by DURANGO BRONCO
                  KC

                  I really like their 1st 3 picks.

                  Hali - productive player with tons of heart. The kind of guy you love to have on your team. Sr. Bowl standout.

                  Pollard - This safety can lay some wood !

                  Croyle - I think he will become an NFL starter, and maybe a star.

                  SD

                  Cromartie - FSU players don't appeal to me.

                  McNeil - Ok not great.

                  Whitehurst - good pick

                  OAK

                  Huff - Should be a decent pro

                  Howard - Like this guy a lot. Good speed and high character

                  Denver deifinitely had the best draft in the AFC West.
                  I like KC's first two picks. Croyle...not so much. He needs to add a lot more weight. Maybe I don't like it as much because we got...JAY CUTLER BABY!

                  Anyways, I was really hoping that Pollard would be one of Denver's picks. He does hit like a truck, and he's built like one to boot.

                  Cromartie is a solid potential pick. I'm not sure if McNeil has the feet to play on the left side, and seeing how they've already got Shane Olivea on the right side...I dunno.

                  Whitehurst was appealing to me based on long term potential, and he's a bit of a project.

                  I still don't like taking Huff over Leinart (or Cutler). Howard was supposedly falling, but didn't on draft day. Solid choice there...

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by str8jacket
                    no, you need to get a grip, your complaining about our draft when we had a good one, i thought you were going to go be a SF fan

                    haha is it just me or are we the only 2 who know about him and the 49ers thing
                    "If you fumble the ball, I will break off my foot in your John Brown hind parts; and then you will run a mile."My Adopted bronc is Duke Ihenacho

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by PsychoChicken
                      The Chargers picked UVA's backup kicker (the starter went undrafted). I don't care what else they did, that made my day.

                      As for the Chiefs, I have the sneaking suspicion that Tamba Hali was picked because Peterson, and more importantly Herm Edwards, really liked his intangibles. He certainly wasn't worth a first rounder based on ability. Maxey and Webb were good picks, though.

                      Oakland had a pretty good draft. I really like (in a way that makes me feel like a traitor) their first five picks: Huff, Howard, Paul McQuistan, Bing, and Boothe. That's two really good DBs, two solid small-school OLs, and one top LB. However, their draft still doesn't come close to ours, so I'm able to sleep at night.
                      Lol. I thought you were joking about that backup kicker selection. Funny stuff! How does that even happen? Perhaps they misread the roster on draft day? "Say Marty, who's that kicker from Virginia?" "Oh gee, I dunno. He's number...ahh heck, he's the only kicker on the team. Just take him..." He must have a big leg or something, because Nate Kaeding is their kicker for the long run, right?

                      I also agree on Hali. He was taken solely on intangibles IMO. I don't think he'll suck or anything, but no. 20 overall? However, Pollard was rumored to be a bit of a mouth in the locker-room, so maybe they're seeing something in Hali that we don't.

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                      • #26
                        I have a slightly different take than some.

                        As far as the Raiders, their safeties can very likely be the strength of their team now with Huff and Bing. That being said, their draft still left a lot of holes, especially on their defense. So while I think Huff and Bing can be good, possibly even great players for the Raiders, they simply didn't answer enough questions to make much of a difference. And Aaron Brooks will make some plays, but then he will give some away as well, so they really missed the boat on Leinart and Cutler. You know Randy Moss probably threw something at his TV when he saw that they didn't take a new QB when they had the chance.

                        The Chargers took a major risk, it could have a good reward if Cromartie pans out. And McNeil is someone who I actually wanted Denver to draft. They still don't have any wide receivers to speak of though, and with an untested QB, that is crucial.

                        Lastly.. The Chiefs. I like the pick of Hali, great motor, great heart. That will really help them. But again, they have no receivers, and they still don't have a secondary. Now you can hide the fact that they don't have a receiver behind their running game, but even with Hali, they still won't be able to stop anyone, they will just have to outscore them.

                        So our division rivals got some decent players, but they didn't address enough issues.

                        As for Denver... Well I absolutely love the pick of Cutler and Eslinger, but those picks have nothing to do with this coming season. So for this season we add Walker, Marshall, and Scheffler. That will be HUGE for our passing game, which will in turn help out our running game because they won't be able to stack the line. Then we add Mike Bell after the draft, and he might be a hidden gem. Now some people might not think that Dumervil and Lang will do much... But they are both pass rushing specialists, so at worst I think our D-line will be no worse off than last year. (And last year's line was good enough for 13-3.)

                        So Denver by far had the best off season, with the most upgrades, and addressed the wide receiver problem perfectly. A great job by Denver of keeping one step ahead of the division.
                        God Bless D. Williams and D. Nash. May their family and friends find peace in knowing that they were both truly loved by all. And they shall never be forgotten.

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by BroncsOwnU
                          I have a slightly different take than some.

                          As far as the Raiders, their safeties can very likely be the strength of their team now with Huff and Bing. That being said, their draft still left a lot of holes, especially on their defense. So while I think Huff and Bing can be good, possibly even great players for the Raiders, they simply didn't answer enough questions to make much of a difference. And Aaron Brooks will make some plays, but then he will give some away as well, so they really missed the boat on Leinart and Cutler. You know Randy Moss probably threw something at his TV when he saw that they didn't take a new QB when they had the chance.

                          The Chargers took a major risk, it could have a good reward if Cromartie pans out. And McNeil is someone who I actually wanted Denver to draft. They still don't have any wide receivers to speak of though, and with an untested QB, that is crucial.

                          Lastly.. The Chiefs. I like the pick of Hali, great motor, great heart. That will really help them. But again, they have no receivers, and they still don't have a secondary. Now you can hide the fact that they don't have a receiver behind their running game, but even with Hali, they still won't be able to stop anyone, they will just have to outscore them.

                          So our division rivals got some decent players, but they didn't address enough issues.

                          As for Denver... Well I absolutely love the pick of Cutler and Eslinger, but those picks have nothing to do with this coming season. So for this season we add Walker, Marshall, and Scheffler. That will be HUGE for our passing game, which will in turn help out our running game because they won't be able to stack the line. Then we add Mike Bell after the draft, and he might be a hidden gem. Now some people might not think that Dumervil and Lang will do much... But they are both pass rushing specialists, so at worst I think our D-line will be no worse off than last year. (And last year's line was good enough for 13-3.)

                          So Denver by far had the best off season, with the most upgrades, and addressed the wide receiver problem perfectly. A great job by Denver of keeping one step ahead of the division.
                          I believe that Bing is moving to OLB, So I am not sure he will be the answer at safety.

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by myoung
                            I believe that Bing is moving to OLB, So I am not sure he will be the answer at safety.
                            They're somewhat set with Schweigert and Huff IMO.

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by myoung
                              I think you make some decent points, I just don't happen to agree. I see the Raiders continually picking secondary players and it not working out. I don't know how this year will be much different. I really like Huff's talent but I dont believe he is a difference maker like Ed Reed or Sean Taylor. I think he will be a good cover guy. But I am not sure how he fits unless they are already sure that some of the other guys are not going to be starters. It just seems to me that at some time you have to look to go somewhere else. I still don't see how they keep passing on QBs especially with the disaster they have had. You would think they would at least attempt to make Randy happy.

                              howard is fast but they lack physicality and toughness on D and Howard and Bing will not bring that as LBs. If they wanted to go D I think they should have gotten Bunckley and then somebody like Hodge or the Jackson kid (MLB). They need to add toughness not just more speed. They have speed on their D and it is doing nothing for them right now.

                              Cromartie will not contribute for the Chargers for a while. he has never really played college ball and his fundamentals are horrible. that being said he the athleticism to be coached up. I think we will burn him for a few years though.

                              I still don't have a clue what the chiefs are doing. I thought they turned the corner last year when they drafted Johnson but this year was a real step back. I don't think Hali will be the difference maker they need on D. He and Allen will combine to be a less than average set of DEs.

                              Just my opinion........Of course the careers of these players will determine if I am right or not. But it is fun to be critical of the other teams in our division..... Just for kicks and giggles of course.
                              Sorry, but what are you talking about. Jared Allen is easily better than any DE on the Broncos roster.
                              "And we all know that stats don't mean anything if you don't have the wins to back them up"-ChampWJ

                              It's a good thing Jay Cutler was a proven winner in college. Oh wait, nevermind.

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                              • #30
                                I know you all don't think Tamba Hali is all that talented, but I think you are basing that solely on his workout numbers at his pro day. He ran about a 4.85. However, he weighed in at 275 which is above his ideal playing weight which slowed him down. He said his ideal playing weight is a lean 260-265 pounds, at which he is much faster and has been timed in the 4.7 range. Carl Peterson was on the radio today and said he expects Hali to stay at a lighter weight and play as a speed rusher. Also, some people say that 18 reps of the 225 bench press is not very much. Yeah, it probably isn't but think of this. Chiefs DE Jared Allen has been a very productive player in his first two years, collecting 20 sacks over that period and 7 forced fumbles last season. The thing is, Jared Allen did a measly 13 reps of the 225 bench press at the time he was drafted. If he did that little yet was still as productive as he is, I don't think Hali will have a problem. Not to mention, leg strength is alot more important than upper body strength for a defensive lineman.
                                "And we all know that stats don't mean anything if you don't have the wins to back them up"-ChampWJ

                                It's a good thing Jay Cutler was a proven winner in college. Oh wait, nevermind.

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