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  • #61
    Originally posted by BroncoFanCam
    I don't know who Elvis' D-Line teammates are/were, but I'll tell you that they WERE NOT Manny lawson and John McCargo. Sure Mario Williams is a beast (physically), but he had a ton of help on his D-Line.

    Elvis led the nation in sacks last season, and he didn't have the asistance of two other 1st rounders on his line.

    This isn't to say mano-e-mano he can do the same things as Mario, but the man can play, and I'll take that.
    Right, good point. What some people forget is that if there is some guy available in the 4th round and he has all the "measurables", then something else is wrong with him and you have to pass.

    Elvis is a football player first. He may be too this or not enough of that, but bottom line is in the 4th round we got a player. Period.
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    • #62
      Originally posted by GridironChamp
      Did you not read my NFL.com link? It mentions him having small arms twice in it, one under summary and one under weaknesses
      It doesn't say a single thing about measureables... I have already refuted that, he can press 425 and has 6-8 wingspan... they are not small, whatever some lousy NFL scouting report says, they seem to be the only ones that feel that way.


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      • #63
        Originally posted by GridironChamp
        And last thing befoe i hit the hay, If this guy is soooo great why did he fall to the fourth round?

        NOT saying good players cant fall to the fourth,. but you all have been saying that Pope must have had something wrong since he kept falling, same with Dumerville right?
        He fell because of the perception about his height.. Just like you found a story that said he had short arms, and you looked at his height and made the logical assumption that he would get eaten alive, many others thought that way too... But considering this is the offseason, and he has yet to prove anything, no one knows for sure whether or not he will translate to the NFL, but the point I was making in my post was that he definitely has the credentials to back up what a lot of people have been saying about him.

        Only time will tell if his height will hold him down, but he definitely has the motor, the skills, and the strength to get around the end.
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        • #64
          Originally posted by GridironChamp
          And last thing befoe i hit the hay, If this guy is soooo great why did he fall to the fourth round?

          NOT saying good players cant fall to the fourth,. but you all have been saying that Pope must have had something wrong since he kept falling, same with Dumerville right?
          He fell to the 4th because he is 5-11 3/8. I have been saying all along that with that size it would be very unlikely he is going to be a starter any time soon, if ever. However, there is no reason he can't be part of the regular rotation we use and get action on passing downs.

          Brown and Eukaban are our starters; that is not going to change this year except for injury. But a short stature shouldn't be a handicap if all he does is pash rush. It certainly wasn't in college when he was a full-time starter.
          "I've always thought that Raider fans in Oakland were not so much fans as they were 50,000 people out on a work-release program." - John Elway.

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          • #65
            Elvis - pass rusher
            Marshall - 6ft 4 230 pounds red zone threat 5 tds this year

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            • #66
              Originally posted by GridironChamp
              And last thing befoe i hit the hay, If this guy is soooo great why did he fall to the fourth round?

              NOT saying good players cant fall to the fourth,. but you all have been saying that Pope must have had something wrong since he kept falling, same with Dumerville right?
              Because he was out of shape, injured, and owned at the Senior Bowl. His size is a huge knock...

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              • #67
                Originally posted by jcrobins
                I don't know much about Bell, but I'll buy your arguement. RB rookies have great success in our system. By the way, I did read that he may have a fumbling problem. You know that he won't play if he doesn't fix that. What's your take on that perception?

                As far as Dixon goes, tell me why, did you follow him in college? Remember, ST's doesn't count.

                Mike Shannahan is the best coach in the league on fixing a fumbling problem. Clinton Portis fell to pick 51 in 02 because of his fumbling problem. He didn't fumble much when he played. I am fully confident in Mike Bell to let go of this habit. I expect big things from this kid.


                As far as Dixon goes, I caught a cuple of games in which he was preforming amazingly(NIU and Memphis). I love the way this kid plays the game. Against Memphis, he came off the bench to catch the winning TD pass in the closing minutes with an injury. If thatis not heart and determination, I do not what is. This kid is the sleeper of the draft.


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                • #68
                  Read the whole thing!

                  Originally posted by GridironChamp


                  From NFL.com

                  SUMMARY
                  Dumervil has been one of the harder players in the 2006 NFL Draft to get a good feel for due to his inconsistent play. Was very consistent getting off the ball at the snap and was consistently right in the middle of the play, pressuring the quarterback and making plays against the run However, he was very inconsistent getting off the ball and did not make the plays There is no doubt that if Dumervil can learn to burst off the ball on every snap and rush the quarterback aggressively every time, he has the natural athleticism to be a disruptive starting defensive end in the NFL. Overall, although Dumervil has the athleticism, smarts and instincts to be a starter, his lack of size, short arms and inconsistent get-off will limit him to being a pass-rush specialist. Has the physical attributes of a good middle linebacker conversion candidate. Athleticism and competitiveness should make him a very good special teams player in the NFL. Late in the draft there are few defensive ends with his athleticism and pass-rush skills, so that is where he could be taken. May never develop into a good starter in the NFL.




                  So umm would you like to rethink your statements yet


                  BTW here is the link so you know im not making stuff up like some people....

                  NFL.com Link
                  Obviously, Dumervil's lack of height is a major issue because it usually means shorter arms, which are a real hinderence. When Dumervil is exploding off the ball he can overcome his lack of height to be a very productive pass rusher, but the trouble is that on at least 50 percent of the snaps he is a beat late moving at the snap. While he has good natural strength, Dumervil usually gets tied up and sealed inside on outside runs to his side.

                  http://www.nfl.com/draft/profiles/2006/dumervil_elvis

                  I got that from your source. "Usually have short arms...," sounds like they really did their homework. This guy has Kevin McHale arms. He can scratch the back of his knees without bending over. Maybe you should try reading all of your source before using to CYA! The use of the word "usually" means they are assuming (In this case proving the old adage). If they knew for sure that he had short arms they would have said "He is short and HAS short arms!"
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                  • #69
                    I see Dumervil as being one of the early contributors and possibly being a surprise story in camp.

                    Greg Eslinger should get on the field and contribute far before most 6th rounders do, very saavy and experienced. Fits the scheme and a tremendous leader.

                    Hixon I believe is more special teams and developmental.

                    Brandon Marshall will face a slight learning curve, but has loads of potential.

                    And I think Scheffler will be much better than many are giving him credit for. If he dedicates himself to learning the blocking scheme through camps, he will free himself up with the coaching staff to catch a lot of balls as a rookie.

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                    • #70
                      Originally posted by West
                      Mike Shannahan is the best coach in the league on fixing a fumbling problem. Clinton Portis fell to pick 51 in 02 because of his fumbling problem. He didn't fumble much when he played. I am fully confident in Mike Bell to let go of this habit. I expect big things from this kid.


                      As far as Dixon goes, I caught a cuple of games in which he was preforming amazingly(NIU and Memphis). I love the way this kid plays the game. Against Memphis, he came off the bench to catch the winning TD pass in the closing minutes with an injury. If thatis not heart and determination, I do not what is. This kid is the sleeper of the draft.


                      Good points on both guys. I really hope your right about Hixon, because I really think Marshall will be a player, I am just not sure on when. If Marshall & Hixon come anywhere close to fulfilling thier potential, we'll have solved our WR problems for many years.
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                      • #71
                        Originally posted by jletourneau
                        I see Dumervil as being one of the early contributors and possibly being a surprise story in camp.

                        Greg Eslinger should get on the field and contribute far before most 6th rounders do, very saavy and experienced. Fits the scheme and a tremendous leader.

                        Hixon I believe is more special teams and developmental.

                        Brandon Marshall will face a slight learning curve, but has loads of potential.

                        And I think Scheffler will be much better than many are giving him credit for. If he dedicates himself to learning the blocking scheme through camps, he will free himself up with the coaching staff to catch a lot of balls as a rookie.
                        I agree with you on Dumervil. I think he can certainly be the surprise of camp, because he is not going to be asked to start. He can learn the pash rush specialist role and nickel defense role quickly in his rookie year. That should not be a big adjustment for him.
                        "I've always thought that Raider fans in Oakland were not so much fans as they were 50,000 people out on a work-release program." - John Elway.

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                        • #72
                          Originally posted by SM19
                          Scheffler will be the first to make a contribution. He comes into camp already bigger and faster than Wesley Duke, and probably a better pass-catcher as well.
                          And don't forget that Duke had to re-learn the game of football in his first year. Even with all of that, he managed to contribute a little bit at the end of the year.
                          That's another reason I have high hopes that Scheffler could contribute early, because he doesn't have to learn the game, he doesn't have baseball anymore and he can focus on football.

                          I'm really begining to like this pick.
                          "I've always thought that Raider fans in Oakland were not so much fans as they were 50,000 people out on a work-release program." - John Elway.

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