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  • Originally posted by TXBRONC
    Come on Grid did I say anywhere that ANY qb could do what ML and VY did with their respective teams?

    You really think Leinart and Young would have put the same kind of numbers at Vandy with personell that Cutler had? And you call me crazy?
    Ya i mean Cutler is just a beast....


    You all call be me biased, but yet i didnt see one thread about how good Cutler was before you drafted him, and now all of a sudden to you all he is the next elway. Call it a crazy but i call that biased


    Tx, you well me this.....

    Which of the following is true


    1- Chad Jackson is the best WR out of the draft.

    2- Chad Jackson has the most potentiol for a WR out of the draft.

    Number 2 is the one that is correct isnt it.......

    Now, number two could also be stated, Chad Jackson is the top WR Prospect out of the draft.


    Do you understand what i am getting at yet?

    If not just say so, and if so then dont post, every post you have is just trying to start something so if you can actually understand me you will know that i ACTUALLY THINK CUTLER IS GOOD, but he doesnt have the stats to prove it....yet
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    • Originally posted by Pipes7
      How many Vandy players were invited to the combine?

      Answer: one...Jay Cutler


      Now, how many combined for USC and Texas?

      Answer: more than two


      Of course Jay isn't going to rack up gaudy numbers, for crying out loud he was playing for frieking Vanderbilt.

      Quick...name Vandy's coach...or a player from Vandy in the last oh one hundred yrs not named Jay Cutler.

      Of the top 3 selected QB's Jay was:

      arm strength: first
      accuracy: second
      speed: second

      If it wasn't for Jay Cutler, Vandy would've been lucky to win one or two games over the past four years.
      Of the top three QB's selected Cutler was-

      Last in wins
      Last in comp %
      Last in Yds
      Last in TDs
      Maybe second in smarts
      FIRST in big mistakes

      Those are more important stats for a QB. Now i do know he played for Vanderbilt but how many NFL QBs only win 11 games if four years?

      None because if they cant win more than 11 games in 4 years (except for a new team, AKA Texans) they get benched.
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      • Originally posted by broncos_mtnman
        I didn't want to go back and read all of these threads, so I don't know if this was mentioned here or not.

        But Elway had a losing record in college and never played in a Bowl game.

        I guess the NFL has some pretty lax rules on getting into the HOF.

        When evaluating a player for the pros, you look at the individual, and whether they PERSONALLY possess the BASIC skills to be successful in the NFL.

        What did Shanny have to say when he spoke to Jay on draft day?

        "Being a former coach in the SEC, I can appreciate your accomplishments playing for Vanderbilt." - Mike Shanahan

        When it comes to the draft, TEAM records are thrown out the window. INDIVIDUAL performance is what is evaluated.

        Any "normal" fan would know this.
        Ya you shoudl have gone back and read them because i responded to this already

        We established Elway had better stats than Cutler in actually less playing time.

        Any "Un-Biased" fan would relize Cutler is nothing but peoples opinions right now, so is every other player, but Cutler has no stats to rely on for.
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        • Originally posted by GridironChamp
          Ya you shoudl have gone back and read them because i responded to this already

          We established Elway had better stats than Cutler in actually less playing time.

          Any "Un-Biased" fan would relize Cutler is nothing but peoples opinions right now, so is every other player, but Cutler has no stats to rely on for.
          Someone has an interesting sig. I'm paraphrasing....

          "Never argue with an idiot. They only bring you down to their level."

          That said, I'm done responding to you on this one. I'll trust the numerous experts (former QBs, coaches, scouts, etc...) and their opinions, over yours.
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          • Originally posted by broncos_mtnman
            Someone has an interesting sig. I'm paraphrasing....

            "Never argue with an idiot. They only bring you down to their level."

            That said, I'm done responding to you on this one. I'll trust the numerous experts (former QBs, coaches, scouts, etc...) and their opinions, over yours.
            Well seeming my opinion is that Jay Cutler is good, and your agreeing with experts that say he is good, but arent agreeing with me (I'm saying he is good), and I'm the idiot?
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            • Originally posted by topscribe
              I thought that looked high, too. For instance, the career passing percentage (57.2%) looked a little low, as well as the avg. yards gained per attempt, and the TD:INT ratio was pretty low for that lofty of a rating. So I calculated it myself. I didn't go back and double-check it, but I was pretty careful. I came up with a passer rating for the total of the four years at 84.5. Now, if you take away Cutler's freshman year, the passer rating would increase dramatically, I'm sure. But it takes a while to figure a passer rating, so I'm not going to do it right now.

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              They're right, Top....

              plug them inhere

              Final rating was 125.86
              "It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate,
              tireless minority keen on setting brushfires of freedom in the minds of
              men."

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              • Originally posted by rcsodak
                They're right, Top....

                plug them inhere

                Final rating was 125.86
                Thanks for finding that one, rc!!

                CP coming your way.
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                • Originally posted by GridironChamp
                  Of the top three QB's selected Cutler was-

                  Last in wins
                  Last in comp %
                  Last in Yds
                  Last in TDs
                  Maybe second in smarts
                  FIRST in big mistakes

                  Those are more important stats for a QB. Now i do know he played for Vanderbilt but how many NFL QBs only win 11 games if four years?

                  None because if they cant win more than 11 games in 4 years (except for a new team, AKA Texans) they get benched.
                  We all know you pull stats from your backside, so I'll challenge you:

                  PROVE Cutler is "maybe second in smarts".

                  As for your other 'points'....

                  Cutler (59/36) had MORE TD's/LESS INT'S than Young (44/28)......(EVEN if you take away his FRESHMAN YEAR.)
                  ...subtracting his (10/9) in his first year, he STILL has better numbers than young.
                  That might even say something about his smarts, as well, having to jump right in from high school......not to mention Vanderbilt isn't considered to be a good school for 'dumb jocks'.

                  As for his completion %, his #1 wr was a FRESHMAN....and they were top 3 in the SEC.....WITHOUT a running game!

                  As for your "big mistakes", one can only guess to what you're referring.....
                  "It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate,
                  tireless minority keen on setting brushfires of freedom in the minds of
                  men."

                  -- Samuel Adams

                  sigpicJacks RULE!!!!!!

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                  • Originally posted by rcsodak
                    They're right, Top....

                    plug them inhere

                    Final rating was 125.86
                    Well, as I said, I never double-checked myself. The formula is so complex that if you miss on one step it can severely throw off the final result.

                    Thanks for the link.

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                    • Originally posted by topscribe
                      Well, as I said, I never double-checked myself. The formula is so complex that if you miss on one step it can severely throw off the final result.

                      Thanks for the link.

                      -----
                      ....well, that there's why us simple folk use these here web site places......



                      "It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate,
                      tireless minority keen on setting brushfires of freedom in the minds of
                      men."

                      -- Samuel Adams

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                      • Originally posted by rcsodak
                        We all know you pull stats from your backside, so I'll challenge you:

                        PROVE Cutler is "maybe second in smarts".

                        As for your other 'points'....

                        Cutler (59/36) had MORE TD's/LESS INT'S than Young (44/28)......(EVEN if you take away his FRESHMAN YEAR.)
                        ...subtracting his (10/9) in his first year, he STILL has better numbers than young.
                        That might even say something about his smarts, as well, having to jump right in from high school......not to mention Vanderbilt isn't considered to be a good school for 'dumb jocks'.

                        As for his completion %, his #1 wr was a FRESHMAN....and they were top 3 in the SEC.....WITHOUT a running game!

                        As for your "big mistakes", one can only guess to what you're referring.....
                        Well i was going by the Senior year with the stats, but college career stats my favor Cutler because he had no competition for playing time. Where as Young didnt play 4 years and niether did Lienert .
                        So maybe you should use the same amount of games before trying to prove a point, or you can just keep trying to make Cutler look better....

                        Are you going to try and tell me that you think Cutler can read more defenses, make better decisions, and knows where the blitz is coming from better than Lienert? I didnt watch Young very much so i dont know how he read things, but Lienert could tell you the play the defense was running over half the time, by just looking at how they lined up.
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                        • Rcs

                          I've been told this throughout this whole thread that the SEC is good, but if 5 games gets you in 3rd place in the SEC. Then how is that division good?


                          If you meant top 3 of something else then sorry for the post
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                          • Cutler's advantages.......

                            Cutler has several advantages over Leinart as a Bronco QB. He is more mobile and he has a stronger arm. His team has lost many more games, but he still has a winner's attitude. Since Leinart played on a championship calibre team all his years in college, we don't know how he will respond to losing alot of games. We know that Cutler will get up and continue to play hard. Of the three top QBs, Cutler fits the Broncos best.

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                            • Originally posted by Colorado69
                              Cutler has several advantages over Leinart as a Bronco QB. He is more mobile and he has a stronger arm. His team has lost many more games, but he still has a winner's attitude. Since Leinart played on a championship calibre team all his years in college, we don't know how he will respond to losing alot of games. We know that Cutler will get up and continue to play hard. Of the three top QBs, Cutler fits the Broncos best.


                              says here cutler's days of responding to a bunch of losses are over. . . . . . .



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                              • [QUOTE=GridironChamp]Ya i mean Cutler is just a beast....


                                You all call be me biased, but yet i didnt see one thread about how good Cutler was before you drafted him, and now all of a sudden to you all he is the next elway. Call it a crazy but i call that biased
                                Who said Cutler is the next Elway? Grid I guess you haven't been reading the threads that were started before the draft. None of my fellow fans were even thinking qb so obviously there was much said about him.


                                [QUOTE]
                                Tx, you well me this.....

                                Which of the following is true


                                1- Chad Jackson is the best WR out of the draft.

                                2- Chad Jackson has the most potentiol for a WR out of the draft.

                                Number 2 is the one that is correct isnt it.......

                                Now, number two could also be stated, Chad Jackson is the top WR Prospect out of the draft.
                                Ok I'll say it again the two statements are synonomous. They mean the same thing in the context of what is being talked about.

                                Do you understand what i am getting at yet?
                                If not just say so, and if so then dont post, every post you have is just trying to start something so if you can actually understand me you will know that i ACTUALLY THINK CUTLER IS GOOD, but he doesnt have the stats to prove it....yet
                                I haven't attempted to start anything with you. I understand what you are saying, but I don't agree with you.
                                John 11: 25-27

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                                Thanks Snk16

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