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  • #91
    Originally posted by rcsodak
    That's all well and good, but he was drafted in '91 by denver, and played two years before going to KC....
    ....which means he played 4 years before he was properly utilized????

    Still don't see what this has to do with Dumervill.....
    it was a point that it has happneed before.. and that useing dummervill at tackle is not out of this world..BTW what does your post have anything to do withwhat i had said. now let me be cool and ride around on my throne a tad bit longer
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    • #92
      Originally posted by kmartin575
      Did I make an argument about speed earlier? I may have, but I don't remember doing so. All I remember was saying 4.75 was Dumervil's 40 time. I was not arguing that it was fast or slow, but was being precise when somebody else said he ran in the 4.7 range at the combine.
      -------------------------------------------------------

      that was my direct quote.. notice the primary word of being 4.7 something i never said anything but around 4.7
      "dummervill ran a 4.7 something at the combine.. so i dont think we have to worry about his speed.. or his fat %"
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      • #93
        Originally posted by Cugel
        You got THAT right! A short DT is better than none.

        And Dummerville at least has done something in college. Admittedly, it was against inferior teams, but he's actually sacked the QB a few times.

        I'm keeping my fingers crossed and hoping he turns out to be underrated. He could emerge in a few years as a pass-rushing force, just like Reggie Hayward did (before Shanahan let him get away that is).
        Yeah, it will be fun to see what he can do in our system. We rotate linemen pretty often so he'll get ample playing time, lets hope he makes the most of it by sacking the QB a couple times. Whats your opinion on him Cugel?
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        • #94
          Originally posted by Broncos86
          not to change the subject but have you ever seen hali's picture.....he looks like hes 50 years old!!!! lol
          He looks like an old preacher.
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          • #95
            Originally posted by vicious2500
            He looks like an old preacher.
            He may look old and like a Preacher, but does all that matter when he is standing over Jake Plummer, Phillip Rivers, Aaron Brooks, and any other QBs they play
            Club Leader: Robert Griffin III > Andrew Luck

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            • #96
              Originally posted by kmartin575
              Hali had a motivation problem? No, not at all. He has said that his playing weight could vary by weak. If he was playing a team with a good run game who would pound the ball at the defense he would increase his weight to as high as 280. If he was playing a team that might run to the outside more or a team with a running quarterback he would drop his weight back down to around 265. The Chiefs have said they want him to stay down around 265 where he will be much more effective for us.
              Oh, please....I MUST see where he says he plays +/- 15+ lbs on a WEEKLY basis!!!!!


              link?????????? :wave:
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              • #97
                Originally posted by kmartin575
                No I am not saying that. However, if a player like is like Hali and gives his 100% on every play then the speed and other measurables do not matter all that much. People who have watched entire Penn State games and paid attention to Tamba Hali have said that if you look at his play in the 1st quarter and his play in the 4th quarter you could really not tell a difference because he played non-stop the entire game.
                Are you sure he just didn't play in qtr's 3&4
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                • #98
                  Originally posted by Broncosinindy
                  it was a point that it has happneed before.. and that useing dummervill at tackle is not out of this world..BTW what does your post have anything to do withwhat i had said. now let me be cool and ride around on my throne a tad bit longer
                  I would reply, but.......HUH?
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                  • #99
                    Originally posted by rcsodak
                    Oh, please....I MUST see where he says he plays +/- 15+ lbs on a WEEKLY basis!!!!!


                    link?????????? :wave:
                    Q: What was strangest question head coach Herm Edwards asked you during this process?

                    HALI: “He thought my weight dropped drastically. I told him I could lose weight fast and I have a fast metabolism. He asked if I was fatigued during the workout when he came to watch because two weeks before that I was 275 pounds. Then during my pro day I was only 263 pounds and he wanted to know if I was tired because I lost so much weight. I said to him that I’m just used to that.”

                    Q: What is your optimal playing weight?

                    HALI: “About 265 pounds. Between 260 and 265.”


                    http://www.kcchiefs.com/news/2006/04...de_tamba_hali/
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                    • Originally posted by GridironChamp
                      He may look old and like a Preacher, but does all that matter when he is standing over Jake Plummer, Phillip Rivers, Aaron Brooks, and any other QBs they play
                      Guess it depends on what he's doing while he's standing over them........





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                      • Originally posted by rcsodak
                        Are you sure he just didn't play in qtr's 3&4
                        Yes, I'm sure.
                        "And we all know that stats don't mean anything if you don't have the wins to back them up"-ChampWJ

                        It's a good thing Jay Cutler was a proven winner in college. Oh wait, nevermind.

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                        • Originally posted by kmartin575
                          Q: What was strangest question head coach Herm Edwards asked you during this process?

                          HALI: “He thought my weight dropped drastically. I told him I could lose weight fast and I have a fast metabolism. He asked if I was fatigued during the workout when he came to watch because two weeks before that I was 275 pounds. Then during my pro day I was only 263 pounds and he wanted to know if I was tired because I lost so much weight. I said to him that I’m just used to that.”

                          Q: What is your optimal playing weight?

                          HALI: “About 265 pounds. Between 260 and 265.”
                          http://www.kcchiefs.com/news/2006/04...de_tamba_hali/
                          Is that it? Is that where you got your "info" from....the little snippet?

                          Over a two week period, IN BETWEEN the combine and his pro-day, losing 12 lbs means he does it on a WEEKLY basis, depending on the type of team he's going to be going up against?

                          I repeat, is this it?
                          "It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate,
                          tireless minority keen on setting brushfires of freedom in the minds of
                          men."

                          -- Samuel Adams

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                          • Originally posted by rcsodak
                            Is that it? Is that where you got your "info" from....the little snippet?

                            Over a two week period, IN BETWEEN the combine and his pro-day, losing 12 lbs means he does it on a WEEKLY basis, depending on the type of team he's going to be going up against?

                            I repeat, is this it?
                            That is not it. I cannot find the exact source, but oh well. Whatever I find you are going to try and disprove it. I do not make stuff up just to prove a point. If I am trying to prove something I want to be able to believe it myself as well, therefore I gain nothing from lieing. If you don't believe me that's fine but I did read this somewhere from a good source.
                            "And we all know that stats don't mean anything if you don't have the wins to back them up"-ChampWJ

                            It's a good thing Jay Cutler was a proven winner in college. Oh wait, nevermind.

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                            • Here's a little interesting bit of information posted by a Penn. State fan on a Chiefs messageboard:



                              I've been a Penn State fan for over 25 years. In addition, I'm lucky enough to have some contacts inside the PSU program. Let me give you the REAL skinny on Hali:

                              1) Tamba was the #1 ranked DE at the Sr. Bowl and named the North's Defensive MVP. The general concensus among OLmen at the Sr. Bowl was that Hali was the toughest DE to block. While most collegiate DEs try and beat you with their athleticism (ala Lawson and Mario) on outside speed rushers, Hali truley mixes it up. He has a VERY low center of gravity and immense leverage. He plays much bigger than his 6'2" frame. In addition, he plays both the pass and run very well. He is a total football player, not just a sack specialist.

                              2) As for a poor showing at the NFL combine, that is total nonsense considering that he DID NOT even perform at the combine! Instead, he performed at PSU's proday. This is where it gets interesting. Tamba's stock fell because of his "smallish" size and "poor" performance. #1) His size is his size for better or worse. At PSU, he played at 265. As I said earlier, he does play big for his size (big hands, large wingspan, great lower body leverage). #2) His "poor" performance was really a product of Mike Mayock's report on NFL Network. Mayock reported that Hali ran a 4.84 40 and this is the number that other media outlets picked up. For the life of me, I can't confirm which scout he got this number from. FWIW, the coaching staff at PSU was quite miffed about that number. The concensus among GMs and scouts had Tamba clocked in the low 4.70s and his low time was actually a 4.63.

                              3) Tamba is really a hybrid DE. He's not a speed rusher nor a bull rusher. He can do both. In addition, he plays both the run and pass well. His best attribute is his conditioning and desire. He seems to get better as the game goes on. He will give you guys 100% on every play. I can honestly say that he's my favorite DE in PSU history. You guys got a gem.
                              "And we all know that stats don't mean anything if you don't have the wins to back them up"-ChampWJ

                              It's a good thing Jay Cutler was a proven winner in college. Oh wait, nevermind.

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                              • Originally posted by kmartin575
                                Here's a little interesting bit of information posted by a Penn. State fan on a Chiefs messageboard:



                                I've been a Penn State fan for over 25 years. In addition, I'm lucky enough to have some contacts inside the PSU program. Let me give you the REAL skinny on Hali:

                                1) Tamba was the #1 ranked DE at the Sr. Bowl and named the North's Defensive MVP. The general concensus among OLmen at the Sr. Bowl was that Hali was the toughest DE to block. While most collegiate DEs try and beat you with their athleticism (ala Lawson and Mario) on outside speed rushers, Hali truley mixes it up. He has a VERY low center of gravity and immense leverage. He plays much bigger than his 6'2" frame. In addition, he plays both the pass and run very well. He is a total football player, not just a sack specialist.

                                2) As for a poor showing at the NFL combine, that is total nonsense considering that he DID NOT even perform at the combine! Instead, he performed at PSU's proday. This is where it gets interesting. Tamba's stock fell because of his "smallish" size and "poor" performance. #1) His size is his size for better or worse. At PSU, he played at 265. As I said earlier, he does play big for his size (big hands, large wingspan, great lower body leverage). #2) His "poor" performance was really a product of Mike Mayock's report on NFL Network. Mayock reported that Hali ran a 4.84 40 and this is the number that other media outlets picked up. For the life of me, I can't confirm which scout he got this number from. FWIW, the coaching staff at PSU was quite miffed about that number. The concensus among GMs and scouts had Tamba clocked in the low 4.70s and his low time was actually a 4.63.

                                3) Tamba is really a hybrid DE. He's not a speed rusher nor a bull rusher. He can do both. In addition, he plays both the run and pass well. His best attribute is his conditioning and desire. He seems to get better as the game goes on. He will give you guys 100% on every play. I can honestly say that he's my favorite DE in PSU history. You guys got a gem.

                                ya i like tamba. i think he's a good pick for you guys. he's a good bookend with your other end (drawing a blank).

                                i dont know if hali will ever be a double digit sack guy, and i think thats what most of his detractors focus on. but he should be a 5-8 guy consitantly, and he should be strong against the run. in the afc west, thats as important as getting to the qb.

                                i think he is a pretty safe pick. at worst he'll end up being a strong rotational guy. he might not do too much as a rookie as he will have to find his game agaisnt nfl tackles, but he should be a solid piece in your defense for the next few years.
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