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  • Originally posted by TD Machine
    Looks like it's settled!

    According to the statistics, awards, and performance, your statement is false. Hali was a REACH in the first round, we STOLE Elvis. But KC does tend to REACH for things.
    Hali wasn't considered a reach until his pro day. Before that most mock drafts had him going to the Falcons with the 15th pick.
    "And we all know that stats don't mean anything if you don't have the wins to back them up"-ChampWJ

    It's a good thing Jay Cutler was a proven winner in college. Oh wait, nevermind.

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    • Originally posted by GridironChamp
      Hey top, read what i wrote, i said you didnt say Dumbervile was better. But you said i said Hali was better so i just accused you of the same

      ANd why can you say Jake the snake here without a problem but you gettin bent outta shape by this?
      Hey GC, read what I wrote. I told you how to spell "Dumervil," and if you insist on nicknaming him, I told you all about the Smack forum.

      Hey GC, read what I wrote. I DID NOT SAY YOU SAID HALI WAS BETTER!! I only reminded you that where a player is drafted does not necessarily indicate his level of success in the NFL. I said if you were saying that it does, THEN you are trying to establish that Hali is better than Dumervil (see how it's spelled?). Why not try to get my point, rather than inferring that I'm trying to start a debate with you?

      Hey GC, read what I wrote. I don't say "Jake the Snake." I say "Jake" or "Plummer." Nonetheless, "Jake the Snake" is a compliment. "Dumbervile" is an insult.

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      Last edited by topscribe; 06-11-2006, 11:19 AM.

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      • Originally posted by topscribe
        Hey GC, read what I wrote. I told you how to spell "Dumervil," and if you insist on nicknaming him, I told you all about the Smack forum.

        Hey GC, read what I wrote. I DID NOT SAY YOU SAID HALI WAS BETTER!! I only reminded you that where a player is drafted does not necessarily indicate his level of success in the NFL. I said if you were saying that it does, THEN you are trying to establish that Hali is better than Dumervil (see how it's spelled?). Why not try to get my point, rather than inferring that I'm trying to start a debate with you?

        Hey GC, read what I wrote. I don't say "Jake the Snake." I say "Jake" or "Plummer." Nonetheless, "Jake the Snake" is a compliment. "Dumbervile" is an insult.

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        Nicknames are nicknames for numbe 1, you cant allow some nicknames but not allow others.

        Second i know what your saying top, and i simply was trying to tell you more often than not players that go in the first round are better than the players going in the fourth round.
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        • Originally posted by GridironChamp
          Nicknames are nicknames for numbe 1, you cant allow some nicknames but not allow others.

          Second i know what your saying top, and i simply was trying to tell you more often than not players that go in the first round are better than the players going in the fourth round.

          Really? How about these guys?

          Trev Alberts, OLB, Nebraska (6th overall, Colts, 1994)
          Anthony Bell, LB, Michigan State (5th overall, Cardinals, 1986)
          Todd Blackledge, QB, Penn State (7th overall, Chiefs, 1983)
          Bob Buczkowski, DE, Pittsburgh (24th overall, Raiders, 1986)
          Rich Campbell, QB, California (6th overall, Packers, 1981)
          Tom Cousineau, MLB, Ohio State (1st overall, Bills, 1979)
          Mike Croel, LB, Nebraska (4th overall, Broncos, 1991)
          Eric Curry, DE, Alabama (6th overall, Buccaneers, 1993)
          Jim Druckenmiller, QB, Virginia Tech (26th overall, 49ers, 1997)
          Clyde Duncan, WR, Tennessee (17th overall, Cardinals, 1984)
          Steve Emtman, DT, Washington (1st overall, Colts, 1992)
          Desmond Howard, WR, Michigan (4th overall, Redskins, 1992)
          Mike Junkin, LB, Duke (5th overall, Browns, 1987)
          Shawn Knight, DT, BYU (11th overall, Saints, 1987)
          David Klingler, QB, Houston (6th overall, Bengals, 1992)
          Eric Kumerow, OLB, Ohio State (16th overall, Dolphins, 1988)
          Ryan Leaf, QB, Washington State (2nd overall, Chargers, 1998)
          Tommy Maddox, QB, UCLA (25th overall, Broncos, 1992)
          Todd Marinovich, QB, USC (24th overall, Raiders, 1991)
          Keith McCants, DE, Alabama (4th overall, Buccaneers, 1990)
          Dan McGwire, QB, San Diego State (16th overall, Seahawks, 1991)
          Rick Mirer, QB, Notre Dame (2nd overall, Seahawks, 1993)
          Bruce Pickens, DB, Nebraska (3rd overall, Falcons, 1991)
          Jack Thompson, QB, Washington State (3rd overall, Bengals, 1979)
          David Verser, WR, Kansas (10th overall, Bengals, 1981)
          Dan Wilkinson, DT, Ohio State (1st overall, Bengals, 1994)

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          • Originally posted by MTRaiderHater
            Really? How about these guys?

            Trev Alberts, OLB, Nebraska (6th overall, Colts, 1994)
            Anthony Bell, LB, Michigan State (5th overall, Cardinals, 1986)
            Todd Blackledge, QB, Penn State (7th overall, Chiefs, 1983)
            Bob Buczkowski, DE, Pittsburgh (24th overall, Raiders, 1986)
            Rich Campbell, QB, California (6th overall, Packers, 1981)
            Tom Cousineau, MLB, Ohio State (1st overall, Bills, 1979)
            Mike Croel, LB, Nebraska (4th overall, Broncos, 1991)
            Eric Curry, DE, Alabama (6th overall, Buccaneers, 1993)
            Jim Druckenmiller, QB, Virginia Tech (26th overall, 49ers, 1997)
            Clyde Duncan, WR, Tennessee (17th overall, Cardinals, 1984)
            Steve Emtman, DT, Washington (1st overall, Colts, 1992)
            Desmond Howard, WR, Michigan (4th overall, Redskins, 1992)
            Mike Junkin, LB, Duke (5th overall, Browns, 1987)
            Shawn Knight, DT, BYU (11th overall, Saints, 1987)
            David Klingler, QB, Houston (6th overall, Bengals, 1992)
            Eric Kumerow, OLB, Ohio State (16th overall, Dolphins, 1988)
            Ryan Leaf, QB, Washington State (2nd overall, Chargers, 1998)
            Tommy Maddox, QB, UCLA (25th overall, Broncos, 1992)
            Todd Marinovich, QB, USC (24th overall, Raiders, 1991)
            Keith McCants, DE, Alabama (4th overall, Buccaneers, 1990)
            Dan McGwire, QB, San Diego State (16th overall, Seahawks, 1991)
            Rick Mirer, QB, Notre Dame (2nd overall, Seahawks, 1993)
            Bruce Pickens, DB, Nebraska (3rd overall, Falcons, 1991)
            Jack Thompson, QB, Washington State (3rd overall, Bengals, 1979)
            David Verser, WR, Kansas (10th overall, Bengals, 1981)
            Dan Wilkinson, DT, Ohio State (1st overall, Bengals, 1994)

            How about these guys ROUND 4

            1 95 Cleveland Browns Lewis Sanders CB Maryland
            2 96 New Orleans Saints Terrelle Smith FB Arizona St.
            3 97 Cincinnati Bengals Curtis Keaton HB James Madison
            4 98 Green Bay Packers
            (from San Francisco) Na'il Diggs OLB Ohio St.
            5 99 Philadelphia Eagles Gari Scott WR Michigan St.
            6 100 Atlanta Falcons Michael Thompson OT Tennessee St.
            7 101 Denver Broncos Jerry Johnson DT Florida St.
            8 102 Arizona Cardinals David Barrett CB Arkansas
            9 103 Pittsburgh Steelers Danny Farmer WR UCLA
            10 104 St. Louis Rams
            (from Chicago) Kaulana Noa OG Hawaii
            11 105 New York Giants Brandon Short ILB Penn St.
            12 106 Minnesota Vikings
            (from Baltimore) Antonio Wilson OLB TX A&M Commerce
            13 107 Oakland Raiders Junior Ioane DT Arizona St.
            14 108 San Francisco 49ers
            (from Green Bay) John Keith S Furman
            15 109 Dallas Cowboys Kareem Larrimore CB West Texas A&M
            16 110 Cleveland Browns # Aaron Shea FB Michigan
            17 111 San Diego Chargers
            (from Philadelphia) Trevor Gaylor WR Miami (OH)
            18 112 Denver Broncos
            (from Carolina) Cooper Carlisle OG Florida
            19 113 San Diego Chargers Leonardo Carson DE Auburn
            20 114 Green Bay Packers Anthony Lucas WR Arkansas
            21 115 Kansas City Chiefs Frank Moreau HB Louisville
            22 116 Seattle Seahawks Marcus Bell OLB Arizona
            23 117 Miami Dolphins Deon Dyer FB North Carolina
            24 118 Minnesota Vikings Tyrone Carter S Minnesota
            25 119 Seattle Seahawks
            (from San Francisco) Isaiah Kacyvenski ILB Harvard
            26 120 Carolina Panthers
            (from Tampa Bay) Alvin McKinley DT Mississippi St.
            27 121 Buffalo Bills Avion Black WR Tennessee St.
            28 122 Indianapolis Colts Josh Williams DT Michigan
            29 123 Jacksonville Jaguars Joey Chustz OT Louisiana Tech
            30 124 Tennessee Titans Bobby Myers S Wisconsin
            31 125 Chicago Bears
            (from St. Louis) Reggie Austin CB Wake Forest
            32 126 Green Bay Packers * Gary Berry S Ohio St.
            33 127 New England Patriots * Greg Robinson-Randall OT Michigan St.
            34 128 Tennessee Titans * Peter Sirmon ILB Oregon
            35 129 Washington Redskins * Michael Moore OG Troy St.

            ONE GOOD PLAYER IN THE WHOLE 4th ROUND, Na'ill Diggs


            round 1 of the same draft...
            1 1 Cleveland Browns Courtney Brown DE Penn St. OK
            2 2 Washington Redskins
            (from New Orleans) LaVar Arrington OLB Penn St. GREAT
            3 3 Washington Redskins
            (from San Francisco) Chris Samuels OT Alabama GOOD
            4 4 Cincinnati Bengals Peter Warrick WR Florida St. OK
            5 5 Baltimore Ravens
            (from Atlanta) Jamal Lewis HB Tennessee GOOD
            6 6 Philadelphia Eagles Corey Simon DT Florida St. GOOD
            7 7 Arizona Cardinals Thomas Jones HB Virginia GOOD
            8 8 Pittsburgh Steelers Plaxico Burress WR Michigan St. GOOD
            9 9 Chicago Bears Brian Urlacher OLB New Mexico GREAT
            10 10 Baltimore Ravens
            (from Denver) Travis Taylor WR Florida GOOD
            11 11 New York Giants Ron Dayne HB Wisconsin OK
            12 12 New York Jets
            (from San Francisco) Shaun Ellis DE Tennessee OK
            13 13 New York Jets
            (from Tampa Bay) John Abraham OLB South Carolina GREAT
            14 14 Green Bay Packers Daniel Franks TE Miami (FL)
            15 15 Denver Broncos
            (from Baltimore) Deltha O'Neal CB California GOOD
            16 16 San Francisco 49ers
            (from New York Jets) Julian Peterson OLB Michigan St. GREAT
            17 17 Oakland Raiders Sebastian Janikowski PK Florida St. GOOD
            18 18 New York Jets Chad Pennington QB Marshall OK
            19 19 Seattle Seahawks GREAT
            (from Dallas) Shaun Alexander HB Alabama
            20 20 Detroit Lions Stockar McDougle OT Oklahoma
            21 21 Kansas City Chiefs Sylvester Morris WR Jackson St.
            22 22 Seattle Seahawks Chris McIntosh OT Wisconsin
            23 23 Carolina Panthers
            (from Miami) Rashard Anderson CB Jackson St.
            24 24 San Francisco 49ers
            (from Washington) Ahmed Plummer CB Ohio St. GOOD
            25 25 Minnesota Vikings Chris Hovan DT Boston College GOOD
            26 26 Buffalo Bills Erik Flowers DE Arizona St.
            27 27 New York Jets
            (from Tampa Bay) Anthony Becht TE West Virginia GOOD
            28 28 Indianapolis Colts Rob Morris ILB Brigham Young
            29 29 Jacksonville Jaguars R. Jay Soward WR USC
            30 30 Tennessee Titans Keith Bulluck OLB Syracuse GOOD
            31 31 St. Louis Rams Trung Canidate HB Arizona
            Last edited by GridironChamp; 06-11-2006, 12:58 PM.
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            • Seriously, there are a lot more good players chosen in the last six rounds and undrafted than the 1st simply because of the number of players there. There are also a lot more "busts" taken in the first round than all the others combined because the expectations are so high for those players. Rounds 2-6 are the heart and soul for every team in the league. Look at your own team's current roster & the places the 45 gamers were taken.

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              • Originally posted by MTRaiderHater
                Seriously, there are a lot more good players chosen in the last six rounds and undrafted than the 1st simply because of the number of players there. There are also a lot more "busts" taken in the first round than all the others combined because the expectations are so high for those players. Rounds 2-6 are the heart and soul for every team in the league. Look at your own team's current roster & the places the 45 gamers were taken.
                The best two players on our team....LJ and TG both first rounders

                Best two players on your team Champ and Probably Wilson both first rounders

                Im not saying good players dont come out of the 4th round im just saying more good players come out of the first round than any other round. And thats the way it should be, if you spend a high draft pick you should be getting better players
                Club Leader: Robert Griffin III > Andrew Luck

                ^^^Get used to it.^^^

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                • Originally posted by MTRaiderHater
                  Seriously, there are a lot more good players chosen in the last six rounds and undrafted than the 1st simply because of the number of players there. There are also a lot more "busts" taken in the first round than all the others combined because the expectations are so high for those players. Rounds 2-6 are the heart and soul for every team in the league. Look at your own team's current roster & the places the 45 gamers were taken.
                  Really, his point still stands. A given player drafted in the first round is much more likely to succeed in this league than a player drafted in the fourth.

                  Likely from this draft, a good portion of the first rounders will likely start and will remain in the league for years to come. Chances are that only a couple of fourth rounders will be starters in this league.
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                  • Originally posted by Archimedes Owl
                    Really, his point still stands. A given player drafted in the first round is much more likely to succeed in this league than a player drafted in the fourth.

                    Likely from this draft, a good portion of the first rounders will likely start and will remain in the league for years to come. Chances are that only a couple of fourth rounders will be starters in this league.
                    Yep, but that doesnt mean those couple of fourth rounders wont be good, just history wise they have less of a chance to
                    Club Leader: Robert Griffin III > Andrew Luck

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                    • Originally posted by GridironChamp
                      What are you talking about? Duke sucked in NFLE...

                      If you cant cut it there how could you do good in the NFL?
                      Dude you sound extremely stupid now, you did good with the injury part, that has seemed to be a bigger impact than it was in the firs couple articles...
                      BUT that doesnt change the fact that he cant play like some peopl hoped. He was a project that never got finished, because of A- an injury and B more importantly a bad, very bad performence...9 catches 1 TD 89 yards for the next Gates in NFLE...That sounds like stats of a player that needs to be cut, o wait he already was
                      I and the rest of the crew can now see why you know nothing about the NFLE....


                      ...it's purpose isn't entirely to make starts.

                      It's also considered by many to be an instructional league, where rooks get a chance to get live playing time....and to work on areas that their NFL HC's want them to improve on.
                      Duke's was simply put, to get familiar with the game, learn the ins/outs of the position, and build some confidence.

                      He was NOT sent their to win any MVP award by catching 13 TD's......

                      Case in point: Lepsis was signed as a TE. He was sent to NFLE to learn the Tackle position.

                      And keep your calling people "stupid" to chef boards.....where they make more sense.
                      "It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate,
                      tireless minority keen on setting brushfires of freedom in the minds of
                      men."

                      -- Samuel Adams

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                      • Originally posted by GridironChamp
                        See now that you lost for about the third time in this thread your just gonna attack me and not the situation.

                        A true HOMER that cant talk smack <-- My Props to you for sticking to your style
                        You've been owned so much in this thread alone, you should have your very own license plate......


                        ...and since you can't seem to read, this is NOT the smack forum.
                        "It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate,
                        tireless minority keen on setting brushfires of freedom in the minds of
                        men."

                        -- Samuel Adams

                        sigpicJacks RULE!!!!!!

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                        • Originally posted by rcsodak
                          I and the rest of the crew can now see why you know nothing about the NFLE....


                          ...it's purpose isn't entirely to make starts.

                          It's also considered by many to be an instructional league, where rooks get a chance to get live playing time....and to work on areas that their NFL HC's want them to improve on.
                          Duke's was simply put, to get familiar with the game, learn the ins/outs of the position, and build some confidence.

                          He was NOT sent their to win any MVP award by catching 13 TD's......

                          Case in point: Lepsis was signed as a TE. He was sent to NFLE to learn the Tackle position.

                          And keep your calling people "stupid" to chef boards.....where they make more sense.
                          Hey look another HOMER, skipping everyone elses smack and coming straight to me for responding to it....I admire your ummmm whatever you wanna call it

                          9 catchs 89 yds and 1 TD, thats not getting familar with anything but SUCKING....
                          Club Leader: Robert Griffin III > Andrew Luck

                          ^^^Get used to it.^^^

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                          • Originally posted by rcsodak
                            You've been owned so much in this thread alone, you should have your very own license plate......


                            ...and since you can't seem to read, this is NOT the smack forum.
                            He's not the only one doing some smack talking. Some of your fellow Broncos fans have done the exact same thing.
                            "And we all know that stats don't mean anything if you don't have the wins to back them up"-ChampWJ

                            It's a good thing Jay Cutler was a proven winner in college. Oh wait, nevermind.

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                            • Originally posted by GridironChamp
                              Well according to just about every anylisis Hali is better....every anylist had him going higher than Dumbervile so obvisiouly most people believe he will be better
                              Believe what you want Grid. I simply said according to a few items of proof, I have my own beliefs as well. The expectation level is so disparaging that you comparing them is a stretch. Just saying we got a far better player for the pick than you did. His awards speak for themselves.
                              Last edited by TD Machine; 06-12-2006, 01:23 AM.

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                              • Originally posted by TD Machine
                                Believe what you want Grid. I simply said according to a few items of proof, I have my own beliefs as well. The expectation level is so disparaging that you comparing them is a stretch. Just saying we got a far better player for the pick than you did. His awards speak for themselves.
                                Well if Hali turns out to a star DE like a first rounder does over 50% of the time, then i would like that much better than just a Pass rushing DE used on passing downs.
                                Club Leader: Robert Griffin III > Andrew Luck

                                ^^^Get used to it.^^^

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