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  • 22cannon
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    you ever see the arms on Bradley VanPelt, OMG!

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  • jhns
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    He was taking a fat burner not a steroid. Just thought I would clear that up since people seem to not get it. The fat burner is also an over the counter drug. It just dehydrated players so they banned it from the NFL. It is not even close to steroids in any sense. It's not like him getting skinnier was making him kick better.

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  • SmithOverTO
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    Originally posted by flosstein
    Did anyone watching the AFC Champ see this guys arms. He looks like a frigin' monster. Maybe we shoulda kept him and put him on the DL somewhere

    Its good thing he didnt accidentally make the Patriots fumble. Oh wait...that happened already!

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  • gindaorshaman
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    Originally posted by flosstein
    Did anyone watching the AFC Champ see this guys arms. He looks like a frigin' monster. Maybe we shoulda kept him and put him on the DL somewhere
    That's what I was saying during that game in the game day thread here. His arms were like friggin Cannons! My god he is huge.

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  • BroncoSexyDaddy
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    Originally posted by twotone
    You must spread some Contributor Status around before giving it to cinnamunmun again.
    I will give him a CP for you as soon as i can

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  • BroncoSexyDaddy
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    Do he still count against our cap now

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  • DEN_BOWL_06
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    I don't want any steriod player's in DEN team..

    Let him stay in NE...

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  • twotone
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    Originally posted by cinnamunmun
    I suppose that is my cue. Next time, a simple announcing of my name will do.

    Todd Sauerbrun averaged 51.4 yards. Holy cow right? I mean, with a cannon leg like his, who wouldn't want him.

    Oops, forgot something. He outkicked his coverage by a little, as evident by the 13.3 yard average by the returner. Know what that is? Its when he kicks his kicks too long and not high enough for how deep he is booting it.

    So, tonight he had a net average of 38.1 yards a punt. About the same as he did here last year. 38 yards a punt isn't elite, but its pretty good. I won't post this years stats since it took him a while to get back into groove after his hiatus (thus significantly dropping it).

    Ernster had a net average of 36.6 yards a punt for the year. Thats average pretty much, far from great. So yea, Sauerbrun is the better punter.


    So here is the kicker, why we kept Ernster (which was not the blunder of the NFL at all, in fact, it was a darn solid move):

    1. Ernster is the better kickoff specialist. In fact, we led the league in kickoffs with 67.9 yards a kick. Sauerbrun did 65.4 yards a kick for us last year. Ernster also had 19 TB this year, while Todd had 14 (while kicking 5 more kicks too). I used Sauerbrun's Denver stats since the thin air is a factor and gave him a bigger boost.

    2. Ernster is more versatile. He can do punting, kickoffs, and place kicks. Handy just in case Elam decides to run a trick FG again.

    3. He's not on NFL banned substances. Sauerbrun was twice. Don't float real well with Shanny.

    4. Despite Ernster having a average at best punting avg. this year, one thing should be kept in mind: rookies NEVER (and I mean never never never) have a good first year. Yes, hes a rookie, he did not record a single stat last year.

    I could pull up the numbers of the top 5 kickers this year and you would be surprised they still had jobs after the woes they had in their rookie years. Ernster beat all of their numbers (some by long shots). So do I think he may develop into something better? Yes. Do I think he's HoF material? No, but if I'm dreaming I will say yes (since he is a Bronco )

    5. Cheaper. Plain and simple. And younger too. Sauerbrun (although punters/kickers can last a long time in the NFL) is no spring chicken at age 34 (his birthday was on the 4th, happy B day big guy, stay away from needles).

    So yes, some moron will come in here and say that Ernster was the better choice. But hey, if you don't want me to interrupt the country club meeting, I'll leave.



    See point numero uno above

    You must spread some Contributor Status around before giving it to cinnamunmun again.

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  • cinnamunmun
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    Originally posted by str8jacket
    Cinn, its easy to lead the league in kickoffs when you're home stadium is in Denver

    he (Ernster) should have MOPPED the floor with the other kickers on that fact alone

    Im not saying Sauerbrun is the best kicker in the league i just feel as though we could do MUCH better than Paul Ernster
    It might be a bit easier, but Sauerbrun was also kicking here remember?

    Both had an even playing field in the thin air category.

    Originally posted by // / yardo
    C'mon he averaged 2.5 more yards on kick off. Nit picking. I was pretty obvious Ernster wasn't exactly helping the special teams issues. You don't have to look up stats to realize this. Just watch the games.
    And Sauerbrun averaged a whole whopping 1.5 yards more on punts. Call it nitpicking, but those yards count. 4 yards on punts can either make an average kicker or an elite kicker.

    Oh, and its obviously not nitpicking since Ernster had more touchbacks that Sauerbrun, despite Todd having 5 more shots. Guess that 2.5 yards does amount to something.

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  • // / yardo
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    Originally posted by cinnamunmun
    1. Ernster is the better kickoff specialist. In fact, we led the league in kickoffs with 67.9 yards a kick. Sauerbrun did 65.4 yards a kick for us last year. Ernster also had 19 TB this year, while Todd had 14 (while kicking 5 more kicks too). I used Sauerbrun's Denver stats since the thin air is a factor and gave him a bigger boost.

    See point numero uno above
    C'mon he averaged 2.5 more yards on kick off. Nit picking. I was pretty obvious Ernster wasn't exactly helping the special teams issues. You don't have to look up stats to realize this. Just watch the games.

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  • str8jacket
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    Originally posted by cinnamunmun
    I suppose that is my cue. Next time, a simple announcing of my name will do.

    Todd Sauerbrun averaged 51.4 yards. Holy cow right? I mean, with a cannon leg like his, who wouldn't want him.

    Oops, forgot something. He outkicked his coverage by a little, as evident by the 13.3 yard average by the returner. Know what that is? Its when he kicks his kicks too long and not high enough for how deep he is booting it.

    So, tonight he had a net average of 38.1 yards a punt. About the same as he did here last year. 38 yards a punt isn't elite, but its pretty good. I won't post this years stats since it took him a while to get back into groove after his hiatus (thus significantly dropping it).

    Ernster had a net average of 36.6 yards a punt for the year. Thats average pretty much, far from great. So yea, Sauerbrun is the better punter.


    So here is the kicker, why we kept Ernster (which was not the blunder of the NFL at all, in fact, it was a darn solid move):

    1. Ernster is the better kickoff specialist. In fact, we led the league in kickoffs with 67.9 yards a kick. Sauerbrun did 65.4 yards a kick for us last year. Ernster also had 19 TB this year, while Todd had 14 (while kicking 5 more kicks too). I used Sauerbrun's Denver stats since the thin air is a factor and gave him a bigger boost.

    2. Ernster is more versatile. He can do punting, kickoffs, and place kicks. Handy just in case Elam decides to run a trick FG again.

    3. He's not on NFL banned substances. Sauerbrun was twice. Don't float real well with Shanny.

    4. Despite Ernster having a average at best punting avg. this year, one thing should be kept in mind: rookies NEVER (and I mean never never never) have a good first year. Yes, hes a rookie, he did not record a single stat last year.

    I could pull up the numbers of the top 5 kickers this year and you would be surprised they still had jobs after the woes they had in their rookie years. Ernster beat all of their numbers (some by long shots). So do I think he may develop into something better? Yes. Do I think he's HoF material? No, but if I'm dreaming I will say yes (since he is a Bronco )

    5. Cheaper. Plain and simple. And younger too. Sauerbrun (although punters/kickers can last a long time in the NFL) is no spring chicken at age 34 (his birthday was on the 4th, happy B day big guy, stay away from needles).

    So yes, some moron will come in here and say that Ernster was the better choice. But hey, if you don't want me to interrupt the country club meeting, I'll leave.



    See point numero uno above
    Cinn, its easy to lead the league in kickoffs when you're home stadium is in Denver

    he (Ernster) should have MOPPED the floor with the other kickers on that fact alone

    Im not saying Sauerbrun is the best kicker in the league i just feel as though we could do MUCH better than Paul Ernster

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  • CHARLIEADAMSFAN
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    i take sauerbraun anyday

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  • Hawgdriver
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    Originally posted by cinnamunmun
    I suppose that is my cue. Next time, a simple announcing of my name will do.

    Todd Sauerbrun averaged 51.4 yards. Holy cow right? I mean, with a cannon leg like his, who wouldn't want him.

    Oops, forgot something. He outkicked his coverage by a little, as evident by the 13.3 yard average by the returner. Know what that is? Its when he kicks his kicks too long and not high enough for how deep he is booting it.

    So, tonight he had a net average of 38.1 yards a punt. About the same as he did here last year. 38 yards a punt isn't elite, but its pretty good. I won't post this years stats since it took him a while to get back into groove after his hiatus (thus significantly dropping it).

    Ernster had a net average of 36.6 yards a punt for the year. Thats average pretty much, far from great. So yea, Sauerbrun is the better punter.


    So here is the kicker, why we kept Ernster (which was not the blunder of the NFL at all, in fact, it was a darn solid move):

    1. Ernster is the better kickoff specialist. In fact, we led the league in kickoffs with 67.9 yards a kick. Sauerbrun did 65.4 yards a kick for us last year. Ernster also had 19 TB this year, while Todd had 14 (while kicking 5 more kicks too). I used Sauerbrun's Denver stats since the thin air is a factor and gave him a bigger boost.

    2. Ernster is more versatile. He can do punting, kickoffs, and place kicks. Handy just in case Elam decides to run a trick FG again.

    3. He's not on NFL banned substances. Sauerbrun was twice. Don't float real well with Shanny.

    4. Despite Ernster having a average at best punting avg. this year, one thing should be kept in mind: rookies NEVER (and I mean never never never) have a good first year. Yes, hes a rookie, he did not record a single stat last year.

    I could pull up the numbers of the top 5 kickers this year and you would be surprised they still had jobs after the woes they had in their rookie years. Ernster beat all of their numbers (some by long shots). So do I think he may develop into something better? Yes. Do I think he's HoF material? No, but if I'm dreaming I will say yes (since he is a Bronco )

    5. Cheaper. Plain and simple. And younger too. Sauerbrun (although punters/kickers can last a long time in the NFL) is no spring chicken at age 34 (his birthday was on the 4th, happy B day big guy, stay away from needles).

    So yes, some moron will come in here and say that Ernster was the better choice. But hey, if you don't want me to interrupt the country club meeting, I'll leave.



    See point numero uno above
    I've felt the same way and I'm glad you took the time to explain it. Ernster has also has better success on punting inside the 20/10 yard line, but that is incorporated in net yardage.

    No question he has had some miscues, but he was a rookie. Now some goofball will come along and say that extra 1 yard net on punts is worth the $1 million extra to keep Todd Steroidpunt (lol I have nothing against Sauerbrun)

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  • 4th Amigo
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    Originally posted by cinnamunmun
    I suppose that is my cue. Next time, a simple announcing of my name will do.

    Todd Sauerbrun averaged 51.4 yards. Holy cow right? I mean, with a cannon leg like his, who wouldn't want him.

    Oops, forgot something. He outkicked his coverage by a little, as evident by the 13.3 yard average by the returner. Know what that is? Its when he kicks his kicks too long and not high enough for how deep he is booting it.

    So, tonight he had a net average of 38.1 yards a punt. About the same as he did here last year. 38 yards a punt isn't elite, but its pretty good. I won't post this years stats since it took him a while to get back into groove after his hiatus (thus significantly dropping it).

    Ernster had a net average of 36.6 yards a punt for the year. Thats average pretty much, far from great. So yea, Sauerbrun is the better punter.


    So here is the kicker, why we kept Ernster (which was not the blunder of the NFL at all, in fact, it was a darn solid move):

    1. Ernster is the better kickoff specialist. In fact, we led the league in kickoffs with 67.9 yards a kick. Sauerbrun did 65.4 yards a kick for us last year. Ernster also had 19 TB this year, while Todd had 14 (while kicking 5 more kicks too). I used Sauerbrun's Denver stats since the thin air is a factor and gave him a bigger boost.

    2. Ernster is more versatile. He can do punting, kickoffs, and place kicks. Handy just in case Elam decides to run a trick FG again.

    3. He's not on NFL banned substances. Sauerbrun was twice. Don't float real well with Shanny.

    4. Despite Ernster having a average at best punting avg. this year, one thing should be kept in mind: rookies NEVER (and I mean never never never) have a good first year. Yes, hes a rookie, he did not record a single stat last year.

    I could pull up the numbers of the top 5 kickers this year and you would be surprised they still had jobs after the woes they had in their rookie years. Ernster beat all of their numbers (some by long shots). So do I think he may develop into something better? Yes. Do I think he's HoF material? No, but if I'm dreaming I will say yes (since he is a Bronco )

    5. Cheaper. Plain and simple. And younger too. Sauerbrun (although punters/kickers can last a long time in the NFL) is no spring chicken at age 34 (his birthday was on the 4th, happy B day big guy, stay away from needles).

    So yes, some moron will come in here and say that Ernster was the better choice. But hey, if you don't want me to interrupt the country club meeting, I'll leave.



    See point numero uno above

    Great analysis!! that being said, I am still not sure getting rid of him was the best move. Yea Sauerbrun was more expensive, but in NFL wage terms, the amount he gets paid is a pittance. But in the long run, it is probably better to take a chance on a guy that can grow with the organization though. Everything is a gamble, keep this guy, he busts, let this bust go, he turns into a star on another team (see Deltha O'Neal). You just never know, and from a fan's perspective, we tend to always want what WE see as the best player NOW, not for the future, we as fans could care less about the future. All we have to really analyze a player (because none of us are experts, ya know like the coaches!) are statistics, and you did an excellent job proving your point using the tools avaliable to you, CP to you!!

    It is always good to have someone grounded and logical come into an "agrument" like this and PROVE people wrong.....

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  • Geandily
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    If you look at his stats

    http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/statis...on=3&year=2006

    He didn't do well enough to warrant much regret in getting rid of him.

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