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  • #31
    I would like to see us sign Kerney, but we still need to draft D-line early in the first day. If Carriker is there at 21 I want us to snag him so long as Lynch is off the board. He can help inside and outside, but being a rookie it should take him some time to be a regular starter. Thats why I like the Kerney signing idea, it helps us out right now while some younger guys develop. Then use another first day pick on a DT. Ideally for me, We sign Kerney draft Carriker, draft Weddle, and then draft Mebane/Thomas/Herrell to fit into the DT rotation. We need to get younger, but we also need capable vets that can contribute immediately. Lang, Ekuban, Engleberger... all of those guys are expendable role players. Build the line around Warren and Dumervil with the draft and an impact Free Agent

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    • #32
      Originally posted by Mat'hir Uth Gan
      I don't understand the commotion...

      Kerney was going to void his final two years all along, that was HOW he was going to have to be franchised this season. If he didn't void his final two years, he wouldn't need to be franchised, now would he?

      As Clayton said, along with Freeney and Grant, who have already been franchised, Atlanta is expected to franchise Kerney still.

      As for him coming here? It would be a short term fix. We need a starting LDE. It's very simple, we just need one. So, in that sense, as long as we get one, I'm happy about it. I think we're going to have to re-sign Courtney Brown.
      As much as I've wanted to get a long-term solution for this problem via the draft, I think you're right.

      IF Courtney Brown were completely healthy he would be a better option than any FA out there. I believe his cap figure for this year is around $900,000. That's dirt cheap compared with what Kerney would command. Of course he can't rush the passer worth a damn, but the Broncos need a LDE to play strong against the run. Brown's absence was felt all season long and I belive it was a big contributing factor in why the LBs did not play as well as in 2006. The DL just wore down and Lang/ Engleberger is NOT the answer.

      But, the problem is whether Brown can even come back at all given after his second micro-fracture surgery on the same knee. That's the key question.

      Even if he does come back, how long will he last? He's had 5 or 6 knee operations including the arthroscopic removal of bone-chips. It doesn't sound like he has much cartilage left and might have to retire, just like Terrell Davis did.

      I think Shanahan will keep Courtney on the roster at least through training camp to see if he can recover enough to play on his knee.
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      • #33
        Originally posted by lord_helmet
        Here's what I could find, seems tagging him is indeed an option afterall

        (KFFL) Steve Wyche, of the Atlanta Journal-Constitution, reports the Atlanta Falcons could designate DE Patrick Kerney as their franchise player this year after Kerney recently voided the final two years of his contract so he could become an unrestricted free agent. The franchise tag would give Kerney a one-year, $8.6 million tender and give the club right to match any outside offer he receives or be compensated with two first-round draft choices. The deadline to designate franchise players is Thursday, Feb. 22.
        Sweet mother of God! $8.6 million? This is for a guy who had 6.5 sacks his last full season in 2005.

        Kerney is NOT worth top 5 DE money. That's for sure. He's a good player, but not one of the top 5 DEs in football. I especially don't understand it because Atlanta is NOT one of the teams with lots of $ under the cap! The are little better off than the Broncos right now according to
        LINK

        On the other hand, the Falcons could conclude that they couldn't replace him for less with a player of equal value and that they might as well spend the money.

        I don't see it though, because they could probably find someone else or promote either Chauncey Davis or something.
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        • #34
          Originally posted by GoBroncos84
          I would like to see us sign Kerney, but we still need to draft D-line early in the first day. If Carriker is there at 21 I want us to snag him so long as Lynch is off the board. He can help inside and outside, but being a rookie it should take him some time to be a regular starter. Thats why I like the Kerney signing idea, it helps us out right now while some younger guys develop. Then use another first day pick on a DT. Ideally for me, We sign Kerney draft Carriker, draft Weddle, and then draft Mebane/Thomas/Herrell to fit into the DT rotation. We need to get younger, but we also need capable vets that can contribute immediately. Lang, Ekuban, Engleberger... all of those guys are expendable role players. Build the line around Warren and Dumervil with the draft and an impact Free Agent

          Build the line around Warren??!

          Warren sucks. Or, more accurately, he sucks for his hype and his draft position. He's a slightly above average player, roughly the same calibur as Mike Myers. However, he's a major loafer, which is why despite all his physical talent, he's been a 1st round bust and he can't outproduce Mike Myers. He's lazy, always has been, always will be. You don't build your team around a guy like that. Hell, I don't even want him on the team. I'll take Mike Myers, pay him considerably less, and get more production.

          Dumervil has ability, but I'm not sure we can even build around him. Some players overcome their size limitations to dominate, most do not. Dumervil needs another year or two before we can decide if he can ever be more then a specialist player. But he is certainly the only player on our D-line we could even consider building around.

          And with the salary cap situation for probably the next few years, a team is either going to have to develop its own elite D-line players, or they'll have to pursue a franchise player and surrender 2 1st round draft picks in the process (and pay the big bucks).

          If you choose to build through the draft, which is the only intelligent choice, then you either have to make moves to get the elite players, take calculated risks on slipping talent due to injuries/other concerns, or get very lucky and find a late round gem.

          Denver is going to have to draft the D-line en masse here soon with early picks and hope they nail them or unearth a gem.

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          • #35
            Originally posted by Cugel
            Sweet mother of God! $8.6 million? This is for a guy who had 6.5 sacks his last full season in 2005.

            Kerney is NOT worth top 5 DE money. That's for sure. He's a good player, but not one of the top 5 DEs in football. I especially don't understand it because Atlanta is NOT one of the teams with lots of $ under the cap! The are little better off than the Broncos right now according to
            LINK

            On the other hand, the Falcons could conclude that they couldn't replace him for less with a player of equal value and that they might as well spend the money.

            I don't see it though, because they could probably find someone else or promote either Chauncey Davis or something.
            I agree, I don't see it happening either. But I'm not gonna pretend to know more about the Falcons than a local writer either. I like Kerney, but FA or not I think he will end up being to expensive esp if Grant also gets the tag slapped on him.
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            • #36
              Originally posted by Mat'hir Uth Gan
              Build the line around Warren??!

              Warren sucks. Or, more accurately, he sucks for his hype and his draft position. He's a slightly above average player, roughly the same calibur as Mike Myers. However, he's a major loafer, which is why despite all his physical talent, he's been a 1st round bust and he can't outproduce Mike Myers. He's lazy, always has been, always will be. You don't build your team around a guy like that. Hell, I don't even want him on the team. I'll take Mike Myers, pay him considerably less, and get more production.

              Dumervil has ability, but I'm not sure we can even build around him. Some players overcome their size limitations to dominate, most do not. Dumervil needs another year or two before we can decide if he can ever be more then a specialist player. But he is certainly the only player on our D-line we could even consider building around.

              And with the salary cap situation for probably the next few years, a team is either going to have to develop its own elite D-line players, or they'll have to pursue a franchise player and surrender 2 1st round draft picks in the process (and pay the big bucks).

              If you choose to build through the draft, which is the only intelligent choice, then you either have to make moves to get the elite players, take calculated risks on slipping talent due to injuries/other concerns, or get very lucky and find a late round gem.

              Denver is going to have to draft the D-line en masse here soon with early picks and hope they nail them or unearth a gem.
              He certainly has not lived up to his draft position and hype, but he is the best d-lineman on the team in my opinion. When healthy, and I know he takes some plays off which I hate, he can be very disruptive. Especially if he gets some help on the line and isn't always drawing double and triple team blocks. Warren can be a pro bowler if he gets help and decides he wants to play at that level

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