Kiper's Latest Mock

[Alps2315]

Kiper's latest draft had us taking Carriker and the Cowboys, who draft right after us, taking Reggie Nelson. If Nelson does fall to us at #21, would we really pass him up considering he has Top 15 talent? This draft is pretty deep on the d-line and it is hard to get a playmaking safety with the talent of Nelson. Thoughts?

[D.J.55]

Kiper's latest draft had us taking Carriker and the Cowboys, who draft right after us, taking Reggie Nelson. If Nelson does fall to us at #21, would we really pass him up considering he has Top 15 talent? This draft is pretty deep on the d-line and it is hard to get a playmaking safety with the talent of Nelson. Thoughts?

if we pass on the next ed reed of this league im going write a letter personaly to shanny. theres no way we can pass on him. this class is to deep with dline and not many playmaking safetys. we have to take him or trade up for him.

[stepurgameup101]

if we pass on the next ed reed of this league im going write a letter personaly to shanny. theres no way we can pass on him. this class is to deep with dline and not many playmaking safetys. we have to take him or trade up for him.

Agreed (Except I think we should trade up for Landry if possible). Why waste a 1st rounder on a postion with most depth? I'm saying if we can get a steal with Marcus Thomas or Quentin Moses in the 3rd, I would feel we did enough for DL (Considering we make a move in FA)

[jhns]

Considering safety isn't a major need, that is a smart pick. For one, Carriker is also a top 15 talent, so if he falls to us we are getting great value. Second, we have great safety play and the only "need" we have there is to get a player that can take over in a season or two. That means it isn't at all worth a first round pick.

We have major concerns on the d-line. Just because there are going to be good d-lineman in later rounds doesn't mean you should pass at taking the best one you can. We can get a great d-lineman at 21, we can get several average ones later. I think the great one would help our biggest concern a lot more than a few more average ones.

[tommy1986]

Considering safety isn't a major need, that is a smart pick. For one, Carriker is also a top 15 talent, so if he falls to us we are getting great value. Second, we have great safety play and the only "need" we have there is to get a player that can take over in a season or two. That means it isn't at all worth a first round pick.

We have major concerns on the d-line. Just because there are going to be good d-lineman in later rounds doesn't mean you should pass at taking the best one you can. We can get a great d-lineman at 21, we can get several average ones later. I think the great one would help our biggest concern a lot more than a few more average ones.

Safety is a major need. Just ask John Lynch.

[Alps2315]

Considering safety isn't a major need, that is a smart pick. For one, Carriker is also a top 15 talent, so if he falls to us we are getting great value. Second, we have great safety play and the only "need" we have there is to get a player that can take over in a season or two. That means it isn't at all worth a first round pick.

We have major concerns on the d-line. Just because there are going to be good d-lineman in later rounds doesn't mean you should pass at taking the best one you can. We can get a great d-lineman at 21, we can get several average ones later. I think the great one would help our biggest concern a lot more than a few more average ones.

You don't think that we need a playmaking safety to put next to Lynch? not take his place.

[jhns]

Why waste a 1st rounder on a postion with most depth?

Like I just stated above, just because it has a lot of depth doesn't mean you are getting the same quality in the later rounds.

I think people should realize by now that football is about quality, not quantity. Who cares if there are a lot of decent ones, we need a really good one with potential to be great.

[Dream]

Carriker would be a good selection, he's not my favorite prospect - but he fills a need at power end, and probably could move inside at times as well. Just really depends. . .

[D.J.55]

Like I just stated above, just because it has a lot of depth doesn't mean you are getting the same quality in the later rounds.

I think people should realize by now that football is about quality, not quantity. Who cares if there are a lot of decent ones, we need a really good one with potential to be great.

i could sit here all day and name some of the depth that is going to be in the later rounds. a playmaking safety is what our secondary is missing.

[Alps2315]

i could sit here all day and name some of the depth that is going to be in the later rounds. a playmaking safety is what our secondary is missing.

I agree completely. If we can get Nelson without moving up to get him, then we still have our other picks to make a difference. Remember, we would still have Plummer, Foster, and T. Bell to move up into the second round with one of our 3rds to give us two seconds if we wanted to. If we pick up Nelson, we could let Lynch play in the box and leave Champ on his island and Nelson would be able to sit in the middle of the field and read the play, which is one of his biggest strengths.

[jhns]

Lets compare what our d play was like with Ferguson to what it was without him. It went from allowing around 9 points a game to around 25 points a game when he got injured. That alone proves that him and Brandon where doing their jobs. Second, Lynch has made a lot of recent pro bowls, so there is no way you could convince me that he needs replaced. Or should I say, there is no way the coaching staff will replace him.

We have had good safety play. Our problem in coverage has been that we have had no pressure on QB's. No matter how good your safeties and corners are, they will get beat when the QB and WR's have a lot of time. So, if we go get a top safety and don't fix the d-line, we will be in the same boat as last season. He will have little impact because QB's and WR's will burn the crap out of him.

I would like a playmaker at every position on the field, that doesn't mean we can get it. Safety is not on the list of major concerns for next season. As I said, it is a need, but not a need that warrents a first rounder. We can get a guy in a later round that is really athletic but needs taught the game. Then when one of our guys is ready to hang it up, he can take over.

[Dream]

All right, this will get old quick. We have a Nelson lover and we have a Carriker lover, it all comes down to preference. There are playmakers at safety after the first-round too, as well as at defensive end, and even left end. It just comes down to preference. Nelson or Carriker would be excellent selections for us.

[JoRo]

if we pass on the next ed reed of this league im going write a letter personaly to shanny. theres no way we can pass on him. this class is to deep with dline and not many playmaking safetys. we have to take him or trade up for him.

If carriker falls to us I don't care if Nelson is on the board, Carriker is gonna be a great great player and imo is the only end I would want us to take other than possibly Gaines Adams (who we have NO SHOT at) in the first.

[jhns]

i could sit here all day and name some of the depth that is going to be in the later rounds. a playmaking safety is what our secondary is missing.

Are you even serious now?

You are saying that our d-line is fine?

I don't get that at all. If we had two Reeds back there, they would get burnt all the time because we DONT HAVE A D-LINE THAT CAN GENERATE PRESSURE. If the other teams offense has a lot of time, all of the time, a safety won't make a bit of difference.

[D.J.55]

I agree completely. If we can get Nelson without moving up to get him, then we still have our other picks to make a difference. Remember, we would still have Plummer, Foster, and T. Bell to move up into the second round with one of our 3rds to give us two seconds if we wanted to. If we pick up Nelson, we could let Lynch play in the box and leave Champ on his island and Nelson would be able to sit in the middle of the field and read the play, which is one of his biggest strengths.

i couldnt have said it better myself. you are the first person to realize that our safetys are in the box safetys. with nelson he's a classic centerfield safety that could sit back there and make a play.