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  • GridironChamp
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    Originally posted by Navin Johnson_
    You NEVER give up your whole draft for a receiver. Receivers have more of a "bust-factor" than most other positions and history shows that you can find a very good one in the later rounds (Joe Horn, Marques Colston, etc.)
    Maybe, but WRs also have some of the biggest upsides as well.

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  • stnzed
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    Originally posted by SS #38
    First of all, I do respect your opinion even if I don't agree with it. By the way next time you post something about me or what I said remember what I tell you now. I am a guy so please refrain from the him/her stuff lol. Also I do trust Shanahan and I hope that even if he picks some one I would rather not have with the Broncos that it turns out well and Shanahan again makes a great move.

    Won't happen again!

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  • Navin Johnson_
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    You NEVER give up your whole draft for a receiver. Receivers have more of a "bust-factor" than most other positions and history shows that you can find a very good one in the later rounds (Joe Horn, Marques Colston, etc.)

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  • stnzed
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    Originally posted by GridironChamp
    See, if i were a Bronco fan i wouldnt mind letting SHanny go out on limbs... He may
    neglect the DL position and an early round RB... but SHanny has made some nice
    moves on draft day that have paid off.

    I agree...Let Shanahan take risks, and move up (Just as long as it's not for Carriker). I could live without Jarvis Moss/Anthony Spencer if it meant getting Calvin Johnson.

    And I could definately live without whoever Shanahan picks with the rest of the picks of 07. The no1 next year has me grippin, but I'll live.

    It's funny how 99% of Broncos fans here think that Shanahan is omnipotent until he's about to do something they don't like.

    Trading is the one aspect of personel that Shanahan has proven he's good at!

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  • Lorcust
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    Everyone wants Calvin Johnson.

    Only a few teams could have him though... and we're not going to be one of them.

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  • TheFuture6
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    SS, there is a difference between us wanting Calvin Johnson, and us needing Calvin Johnson. You may think we dont need a WR, especially not in the first, and I agree with you that we shouldnt draft one Day 1, but we DO have some injuries. We could use some padding, and Shanny knows that. Thats why he tried to move up to #2.

    In response to the thread title, yes, Denver does want Calvin Johnson. But let me ask you this: Is there a team that doesnt?

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  • SS #38
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    Originally posted by stnzed
    Don't get too caught up in it GC....SS #38 is trying to convince him/herself as much as he/she is trying to convince us that Shanahan wouldn't make that trade.

    Imo, SS #38 and a lot of other Broncos fans put way too much stock in the picks Shanahan IS trying to trade.

    If there is a player on the board that Shanahan is convinced is a stud, he should always do what it takes to get him. Because Shanahan obviously isn't any good at picking players he doesn't feel worthy of trading up for!

    If people don't think that 2 drafts are worth the no2 pick, that's their opinion...They also haven't payed much attention to Shanahan's draft record (Or they could be in a deep state of denial).

    This attitude pisses a lot of you off (Well...most of you), but I'm just being honest!
    First of all, I do respect your opinion even if I don't agree with it. By the way next time you post something about me or what I said remember what I tell you now. I am a guy so please refrain from the him/her stuff lol. Also I do trust Shanahan and I hope that even if he picks some one I would rather not have with the Broncos that it turns out well and Shanahan again makes a great move.
    Last edited by SS #38; 04-26-2007, 05:27 PM.

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  • SS #38
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    Originally posted by GridironChamp
    Im in the dark? I agreed, and said before you did that Shanny CANT get CJ and
    that it would be stupid to give up all that... so if im in the dark you are too i guess.

    Walker, aging... CJ is gonna surpass. Smith is gonna retire and showed it last
    year. Kircus is a third WR... AT BEST (he is more of a 4th WR). B Marsh does look
    good, and i liked him BEFORE you guys drafted him so dont try to tell me what he
    is doing. But still, he is not gonna be a #1 WR. You guys COULD use, and actually
    WOULD LOVE TO HAVE Calvin Johnson. Your WRs are not an elite unit... they
    could use and would love to have help.


    BTW, i dont see how what team i cheer for has to do with what i know. Also, FYI
    i suggest you get to know people before making these assumptions... I would have
    WRs if it was my way with KC... I woulda had WRs about 3 years ago the year after
    we got Vermiel.
    Ok then srry I must have misinterpreted what you said. However Johnson could turn out to be bust although I believe that won't happen there's always a chance so wasting all those picks to supposedly "improve" our recieving corps could turn out to be a costly mistake. And whats this about him turning out to be better than Walker? He is not a guarantee you know. He could be injury-ridden or turn out horrible in the NFL so I say wait till he actually plays to even say foolish things like that. I'm also pretty sure that although we would like to have Johnson, he is not a need and we are not guaranteed that he can produce in the NFL. I respect your opinion though.

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  • GridironChamp
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    Originally posted by stnzed
    Don't get too caught up in it GC....SS #38 is trying to convince him/herself as much as he/she is trying to convince us that Shanahan wouldn't make that trade.

    Imo, SS #38 and a lot of other Broncos fans put way too much stock in the picks Shanahan IS trying to trade.

    If there is a player on the board that Shanahan is convinced is a stud, he should always do what it takes to get him. Because Shanahan obviously isn't any good at picking players he doesn't feel worthy of trading up for!

    If people don't think that 2 drafts are worth the no2 pick, that's their opinion...They also haven't payed much attention to Shanahan's draft record (Or are in a deep state of denial).

    This attitude pisses a lot of you off (Well...most of you), but I'm just being honest!
    See, if i were a Bronco fan i wouldnt mind letting SHanny go out on limbs... He may
    neglect the DL position and an early round RB... but SHanny has made some nice
    moves on draft day that have paid off.

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  • stnzed
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    Originally posted by GridironChamp
    Im in the dark? I agreed, and said before you did that Shanny CANT get CJ and
    that it would be stupid to give up all that... so if im in the dark you are too i guess.

    Walker, aging... CJ is gonna surpass. Smith is gonna retire and showed it last
    year. Kircus is a third WR... AT BEST (he is more of a 4th WR). B Marsh does look
    good, and i liked him BEFORE you guys drafted him so dont try to tell me what he
    is doing. But still, he is not gonna be a #1 WR. You guys COULD use, and actually
    WOULD LOVE TO HAVE Calvin Johnson. Your WRs are not an elite unit... they
    could use and would love to have help.


    BTW, i dont see how what team i cheer for has to do with what i know. Also, FYI
    i suggest you get to know people before making these assumptions... I would have
    WRs if it was my way with KC... I woulda had WRs about 3 years ago the year after
    we got Vermiel.

    Don't get too caught up in it GC....SS #38 is trying to convince him/herself as much as he/she is trying to convince us that Shanahan wouldn't make that trade.

    Imo, SS #38 and a lot of other Broncos fans put way too much stock in the picks Shanahan IS trying to trade.

    If there is a player on the board that Shanahan is convinced is a stud, he should always do what it takes to get him. Because Shanahan obviously isn't any good at picking players he doesn't feel worthy of trading up for!

    If people don't think that 2 drafts are worth the no2 pick, that's their opinion...They also haven't payed much attention to Shanahan's draft record (Or they could be in a deep state of denial).

    This attitude pisses a lot of you off (Well...most of you), but I'm just being honest!
    Last edited by stnzed; 04-26-2007, 05:20 PM.

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  • SS #38
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    Originally posted by RunYouOver
    The trade offer to Detroit was confirmed by Detroit.
    Ok then now I've heard some reliable facts. However that still doesn't mean we are going after CJ. We could just as well be going after Adams or maybe even Landry. Heck Shanny could surprise us all and get Peterson, but who knows what Shanahan is planning to do. Also I said we don't have enough compensation to get there and that the Raiders would probaly take him before us anyway.

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  • GridironChamp
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    Originally posted by SS #38
    Wow you sure are in the dark. Shanahan doesn't need Johnson, can't get him, and even if he could wouldn't waste all those picks to get him. As for our recievers some of them are pretty "amazing" including: Walker, Kircus (who showed off his skills as the #3 reciever last year), Marshall (who looked great for a rookie), and Stokley if he can get back in to shape. So don't even try to talk bad about our recievers since the Chiefs recieving corps can't even come close.
    Im in the dark? I agreed, and said before you did that Shanny CANT get CJ and
    that it would be stupid to give up all that... so if im in the dark you are too i guess.

    Walker, aging... CJ is gonna surpass. Smith is gonna retire and showed it last
    year. Kircus is a third WR... AT BEST (he is more of a 4th WR). B Marsh does look
    good, and i liked him BEFORE you guys drafted him so dont try to tell me what he
    is doing. But still, he is not gonna be a #1 WR. You guys COULD use, and actually
    WOULD LOVE TO HAVE Calvin Johnson. Your WRs are not an elite unit... they
    could use and would love to have help.


    BTW, i dont see how what team i cheer for has to do with what i know. Also, FYI
    i suggest you get to know people before making these assumptions... I would have
    WRs if it was my way with KC... I woulda had WRs about 3 years ago the year after
    we got Vermiel.

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  • RunYouOver
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    Originally posted by SS #38
    As far as I've heard Denver going after Georgia Tech WR Calvin Johnson is all rumors. Some of you might say that Shanny is just throwing up a smoke screen, however he knows we have enough depth at WR and he also knows not to throw away two whole drafts to get one player. Yes he was a beast in college and I'll give him that, but even CJ isn't worth our drafts in 07 and 08. Plus he might actually turn out to be a bust and although I don't think he will be there's always a chance so I don't want to risk it. Also even if we could move up to #2 (which is HIGHLY unlikely) , Oakland will most likely take him just to piss us off so people I say enough with CJ he's out of our reach and even a player of his caliber isn't worth throwing away picks that could have addressed more pressing needs than WR. So that's all I'm saying and people this is a mature debate so if you get pissed off easily stay out of it cause no one wants to hear it.

    The trade offer to Detroit was confirmed by Detroit.

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  • SS #38
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    Originally posted by GridironChamp
    The thread is wrong.... at least IMO... Denver does WANT CJ... you just dont think
    they should because you for some reason think your WRs are amazing. The question
    should be "Can Shanny muster up something that WOULD work?" Which IMO he
    cant, but if he can then i say by all means he will.
    Wow you sure are in the dark. Shanahan doesn't need Johnson, can't get him, and even if he could wouldn't waste all those picks to get him. As for our recievers some of them are pretty "amazing" including: Walker, Kircus (who showed off his skills as the #3 reciever last year), Marshall (who looked great for a rookie), and Stokley if he can get back in to shape. So don't even try to talk bad about our recievers since the Chiefs recieving corps can't even come close.

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  • SeNEBronco
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    Who is a Chef fan to even talk about wide receivers????

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