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  • !ceman
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    Originally posted by topscribe View Post
    Your lecture on accepting differences of opinion was neither necessary nor
    appropriate. I seriously believe that your reading comprehension must be
    better than what you just showed.

    Differences of opinion don't bother me. If you will go back and read my posts
    again . . . very carefully . . . then you might get the idea that what I object
    to is treating a player as a god with this "don't compare" approach. For
    instance, at just under 6' 6", I am approximately the same height as Michael
    Jordan. Now, are you going to come back and tell me I am comparing myself
    to him as a basketball player?

    Try to understand what I was saying in my post without a juvenile "don't
    compare" response.

    Now, regarding your lecture on fun experiences in life, I am a 62-year-old
    father of four and grandfather of five. I watched the first Broncos game ever
    played on September 9, 1960 against the Boston Patriots, which the Broncos
    won 13-10. Even before that, I watched Bart Starr sneak the ball over Jerry
    Kramer's and Forrest Gregg's blocks for the winning touchdown against the
    Dallas Cowboys.

    Just so you'll know you are not lecturing some kid on "fun experiences in life."

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    Sorry to take this thread (even more) off course. Scribe, please accept this as my peace offering and explanation of comments. I'm not interested in fighting with a kid, let alone somebody twice my senior.

    For the record though, my response was based on your statement. Primarily the part that included:

    You know, I really resent someone saying, "Don't mention _____ in the same
    breath as _______ ." Sorry, but that is ridiculous. They are pros, they put on
    their pants one leg at a time, and most have only two cajones.

    When I said comparing Rod to Brandon was unfair that was MY OPINION. You resented that. My reading comprehension is fine. If I misinterpreted your comments it was b/c your point was poorly made. You go on to call my opinion rediculous... Thanks.

    At any rate, it's awesome that you've been a Bronco fan for so long. Watching the first ever Bronco game and being a fan since 1960 obviously puts my 'fanship' to shame. I can remember watching games in the mountains when I was 3 or 4 years old but that was nearly 20 years after you watched your first! My apologies for coming accross in an insulting manner, but like I said, it was more retalitory than anything.

    Iceman out.

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  • topscribe
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    Originally posted by !ceman View Post
    I've yet to hear anybody mention Javon Walker for the HOF. Does he have the skillset and athleticsm to be better than Rod? Yes! But so does Hixon. Same with Stokely, Morgan, and Marshall.

    Its kind of like saying that Jay Cutler is the next Elway just b/c he has a strong arm. I realize you weren't saying anything of the sort and we're insinuating that Stokely was the next Rod Smith... but you did compare the two...as far as size anyhow.

    You can resent away, but it's probably a good idea to get accustomed to the fact that I and several others will likely have differening opinions from time to time. For the record though, you'll probably end up with a whole lot of resentment and I doubt that will make for a fun experience in life... but do what you know!

    IMO, Rod Smith is great b/c he believes in the following:

    Nothing can stop the man with the right mental attitude from achieving his goal; nothing on earth can help the man with the wrong mental attitude.
    Thomas Jefferson

    Rod never took his playing career lightly. That's why you have so many right now that still will not count him out. He's overcome more adversity than most NFL players and he could go down as one of the best. Mental Attitude is what makes Rod...ROD!

    The difference between a successful person and others is not a lack of strength, not a lack of knowledge, but rather a lack in will.
    Vince Lombardi

    Will/Heart/Soul, call it whatever you want. Rod was successful not b/c he was better than everybody else but b/c he wanted it more!

    We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, therefore,
    is not an act but a habit.
    Aristotle

    Practice like you play b/c you will play like your practice.

    Knowing is not enough; we must apply.
    Willing is not enough; we must do.
    Johann Wolfgang von Goethe

    Rod knew that he was on the team year in and year out, yet he went out and practiced as though his job depended on it.
    Your lecture on accepting differences of opinion was neither necessary nor
    appropriate. I seriously believe that your reading comprehension must be
    better than what you just showed.

    Differences of opinion don't bother me. If you will go back and read my posts
    again . . . very carefully . . . then you might get the idea that what I object
    to is treating a player as a god with this "don't compare" approach. For
    instance, at just under 6' 6", I am approximately the same height as Michael
    Jordan. Now, are you going to come back and tell me I am comparing myself
    to him as a basketball player?

    Try to understand what I was saying in my post without a juvenile "don't
    compare" response.

    Now, regarding your lecture on fun experiences in life, I am a 62-year-old
    father of four and grandfather of five. I watched the first Broncos game ever
    played on September 9, 1960 against the Boston Patriots, which the Broncos
    won 13-10. Even before that, I watched Bart Starr sneak the ball over Jerry
    Kramer's and Forrest Gregg's blocks for the winning touchdown against the
    Dallas Cowboys.

    Just so you'll know you are not lecturing some kid on "fun experiences in life."

    -----

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  • !ceman
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    Originally posted by topscribe View Post
    You know, I really resent someone saying, "Don't mention _____ in the same
    breath as _______ ." Sorry, but that is ridiculous. They are pros, they put on
    their pants one leg at a time, and most have only two cajones.

    Rod is my favorite Bronco. But I hesitate to say he is the best receiver we
    ever had. That brings up memories of one Lionel Taylor. Anyway, I am not
    going to say another receiver will never be as good or better than Rod.
    Neither Stokley nor Marshall may be as good, but you never know. I believe
    Javon is already better than Rod.

    Now, please understand the gist of my comparison. I was making the point that
    size is not necessarily a great determinant as to the quality of a blocker. It had
    nothing to do with the general comparison of two receivers. So let's get off that
    "don't compare with" kick.

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    I've yet to hear anybody mention Javon Walker for the HOF. Does he have the skillset and athleticsm to be better than Rod? Yes! But so does Hixon. Same with Stokely, Morgan, and Marshall.

    Its kind of like saying that Jay Cutler is the next Elway just b/c he has a strong arm. I realize you weren't saying anything of the sort and we're insinuating that Stokely was the next Rod Smith... but you did compare the two...as far as size anyhow.

    You can resent away, but it's probably a good idea to get accustomed to the fact that I and several others will likely have differening opinions from time to time. For the record though, you'll probably end up with a whole lot of resentment and I doubt that will make for a fun experience in life... but do what you know!

    IMO, Rod Smith is great b/c he believes in the following:

    Nothing can stop the man with the right mental attitude from achieving his goal; nothing on earth can help the man with the wrong mental attitude.
    Thomas Jefferson

    Rod never took his playing career lightly. That's why you have so many right now that still will not count him out. He's overcome more adversity than most NFL players and he could go down as one of the best. Mental Attitude is what makes Rod...ROD!

    The difference between a successful person and others is not a lack of strength, not a lack of knowledge, but rather a lack in will.
    Vince Lombardi

    Will/Heart/Soul, call it whatever you want. Rod was successful not b/c he was better than everybody else but b/c he wanted it more!

    We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, therefore,
    is not an act but a habit.
    Aristotle

    Practice like you play b/c you will play like your practice.

    Knowing is not enough; we must apply.
    Willing is not enough; we must do.
    Johann Wolfgang von Goethe

    Rod knew that he was on the team year in and year out, yet he went out and practiced as though his job depended on it.

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  • silkamilkamonic
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    Originally posted by !ceman View Post
    I take it you don't know much of Stokely? His routes are easily the best on the team. His hands, amongst the best on the team. His speed is good and his cutting ability is good. He understands how to set up his opponent and he snatches the ball at it's highest point when in traffic.

    His only downside is his size. He's not very big and I've not had a chance to observe him blocking. Obvioulsy Brandon Marshall has a better chance to be an every down player b/c of his size and athleticsm.

    Simply put, I'd like to see both Marshall and Stokely on the field healthy. The key is getting Scheff back. Daniel Graham can't consistently get down field and open things up for Cutler. Scheff can. Perhaps Nate Jackson can as well, but he's nowhere near as effective as Scheff. We need Scheff back as much as we need Brandon Marshall. In fact, I think Stokely will be an effective 2nd WR provided Scheff is in the lineup acting as Cutlers relief valve and opening things up down the middle of the field. SoCalBronco or Kaylore mentioned the same thing earlier in the week in one of their reports on the Mane.

    Walker, Scheff, Marshall/Stokely/Henry, Kircus, Hixon, Morgan in order of importance for Jay Cutler

    I know plenty about Stokley. He's a great #3, but he isn'y going to take any help away from Walker.

    If Stokley is starting opposite Walker, it will be a carbon copy of last year where Walker is getting doubled up, and also safety help at times.

    We need a WR that can take pressure off of him.

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  • Michael123321
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    Maybe we can pick up another wide reciever to show we have some depth in the position or teams will shut us down out there.Michael from greeley

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  • topscribe
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    Originally posted by !ceman View Post
    Rod Smith is no ordinary man and while I have a great respect for Brandon Stokely, I assume he has less heart than Rod or else he'd be our #1 as he is a better athlete than Rod. NO MORE COMPAIRING ROD!!! It's just not fair to whomever is being compaired against him. Rod would have been a great safety, a great banker, a great anything with his worth ethic. Brandon Marshall is 230 lbs and 6'5" and is fair to say that he won't be as good as Rod...EVER! We're talking about a potential HOFer here. Lower your standards just a bit if you're going to compare Stokely!!!

    Bottom line though, I have confidence in Stokely as the #2. He won't set the world on fire, but 850 yards and 4 or 5 scores is certainly within reason.
    You know, I really resent someone saying, "Don't mention _____ in the same
    breath as _______ ." Sorry, but that is ridiculous. They are pros, they put on
    their pants one leg at a time, and most have only two cajones.

    Rod is my favorite Bronco. But I hesitate to say he is the best receiver we
    ever had. That brings up memories of one Lionel Taylor. Anyway, I am not
    going to say another receiver will never be as good or better than Rod.
    Neither Stokley nor Marshall may be as good, but you never know. I believe
    Javon is already better than Rod.

    Now, please understand the gist of my comparison. I was making the point that
    size is not necessarily a great determinant as to the quality of a blocker. It had
    nothing to do with the general comparison of two receivers. So let's get off that
    "don't compare with" kick.

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    Last edited by topscribe; 08-05-2007, 10:07 AM.

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  • !ceman
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    Originally posted by topscribe View Post
    Stokley is 5-11 and 193 lbs. While he is no Marshall when it comes to size, he is not tiny, and that is a
    good body weight for his height. At 6-0 and 200 lbs., Rod isn't huge, either, but he is a terrific blocker.
    So that doesn't concern me a whole lot, either, at least from a size perspective.

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    Rod Smith is no ordinary man and while I have a great respect for Brandon Stokely, I assume he has less heart than Rod or else he'd be our #1 as he is a better athlete than Rod. NO MORE COMPAIRING ROD!!! It's just not fair to whomever is being compaired against him. Rod would have been a great safety, a great banker, a great anything with his worth ethic. Brandon Marshall is 230 lbs and 6'5" and is fair to say that he won't be as good as Rod...EVER! We're talking about a potential HOFer here. Lower your standards just a bit if you're going to compare Stokely!!!

    Bottom line though, I have confidence in Stokely as the #2. He won't set the world on fire, but 850 yards and 4 or 5 scores is certainly within reason.

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  • topscribe
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    Well . . .

    Originally posted by !ceman View Post
    I take it you don't know much of Stokely? His routes are easily the best on the team. His hands, amongst the best on the team. His speed is good and his cutting ability is good. He understands how to set up his opponent and he snatches the ball at it's highest point when in traffic.

    His only downside is his size. He's not very big and I've not had a chance to observe him blocking. Obvioulsy Brandon Marshall has a better chance to be an every down player b/c of his size and athleticsm.

    Simply put, I'd like to see both Marshall and Stokely on the field healthy. The key is getting Scheff back. Daniel Graham can't consistently get down field and open things up for Cutler. Scheff can. Perhaps Nate Jackson can as well, but he's nowhere near as effective as Scheff. We need Scheff back as much as we need Brandon Marshall. In fact, I think Stokely will be an effective 2nd WR provided Scheff is in the lineup acting as Cutlers relief valve and opening things up down the middle of the field. SoCalBronco or Kaylore mentioned the same thing earlier in the week in one of their reports on the Mane.

    Walker, Scheff, Marshall/Stokely/Henry, Kircus, Hixon, Morgan in order of importance for Jay Cutler
    Stokley is 5-11 and 193 lbs. While he is no Marshall when it comes to size, he is not tiny, and that is a
    good body weight for his height. At 6-0 and 200 lbs., Rod isn't huge, either, but he is a terrific blocker.
    So that doesn't concern me a whole lot, either, at least from a size perspective.

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  • topscribe
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    Originally posted by !ceman View Post
    I assume you're referring to the PUP (Physically Unable to Perform) list in which he can/must return by week 7. The IR puts him away for the season.
    So noted, so corrected. Thank you.

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  • !ceman
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    Originally posted by topscribe View Post
    Many people believe Rod has played his last game, me included.

    A high possibility still exists he will be placed on IR, which means he will not be
    available until the middle of the season
    . By then, he will then have to get into
    game shape without the benefit of training camp, much less the usual things he
    does to stay in shape. It may be the end of the season before he gets there.
    Add to that Rod is 37, in the twilight of his career. I'm just not holding out
    much hope in his case.

    Regarding Stokley, if Marshall isn't ready and Stokley has to assume #2, I
    believe he will do a fine job. His route running is just sick, and he has
    deceptive speed, and smarts that won't quit . . . many of the qualities we
    enjoyed in Eddie Mac. (I don't know if Stokley can approach Mac's toughness,
    but he has a lot of the other attributes.)

    We also have TEs who can take up much of the slack in Scheffler, Graham,
    and Jackson . . . and Henry, who reportedly is an excellent receiver out of the
    backfield. We would be better with Marshall in there, of course, but if not
    we'll be all right.

    IMHO.

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    I assume you're referring to the PUP (Physically Unable to Perform) list in which he can/must return by week 7. The IR puts him away for the season.

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  • !ceman
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    Originally posted by silkamilkamonic View Post
    If Marshall isn't ready, and Stokley starts opposite Walker, Javon will get doubled up every play and our passing game will be sorry.
    I take it you don't know much of Stokely? His routes are easily the best on the team. His hands, amongst the best on the team. His speed is good and his cutting ability is good. He understands how to set up his opponent and he snatches the ball at it's highest point when in traffic.

    His only downside is his size. He's not very big and I've not had a chance to observe him blocking. Obvioulsy Brandon Marshall has a better chance to be an every down player b/c of his size and athleticsm.

    Simply put, I'd like to see both Marshall and Stokely on the field healthy. The key is getting Scheff back. Daniel Graham can't consistently get down field and open things up for Cutler. Scheff can. Perhaps Nate Jackson can as well, but he's nowhere near as effective as Scheff. We need Scheff back as much as we need Brandon Marshall. In fact, I think Stokely will be an effective 2nd WR provided Scheff is in the lineup acting as Cutlers relief valve and opening things up down the middle of the field. SoCalBronco or Kaylore mentioned the same thing earlier in the week in one of their reports on the Mane.

    Walker, Scheff, Marshall/Stokely/Henry, Kircus, Hixon, Morgan in order of importance for Jay Cutler

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  • topscribe
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    Well . . .

    Originally posted by BRONCOS_OWN_U16 View Post
    why are you guys forgetting rod smith?

    rod will be the number 2


    best stokley and brandon can be is number 3
    Many people believe Rod has played his last game, me included.

    A high possibility still exists he will be placed on regular season PUP, which
    means he will not be available until the middle of the season. By then, he
    will then have to get into game shape without the benefit of training camp,
    much less the usual things he does to stay in shape. It may be the end of
    the season before he gets there. Add to that Rod is 37, in the twilight of
    his career. I'm just not holding out much hope in his case.

    Regarding Stokley, if Marshall isn't ready and Stokley has to assume #2, I
    believe he will do a fine job. His route running is just sick, and he has
    deceptive speed, and smarts that won't quit . . . many of the qualities we
    enjoyed in Eddie Mac. (I don't know if Stokley can approach Mac's toughness,
    but he has a lot of the other attributes.)

    We also have TEs who can take up much of the slack in Scheffler, Graham,
    and Jackson . . . and Henry, who reportedly is an excellent receiver out of the
    backfield. We would be better with Marshall in there, of course, but if not
    we'll be all right.

    IMHO.

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    Last edited by topscribe; 08-05-2007, 09:35 AM.

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  • AussieBronco9
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    Originally posted by FroHawk27 View Post
    x2. 1CP4U. Shanny knows that the Dr.'s are the ones not clearing him to play so he simply CANNOT go period. It's a motivation technique. If he's uncertain about his starting position, then he's gonna play hard when he's cleared to show what he's got. Stokely is a #3 receiver by nature. Putting him in the 2 would be unnatural for him. Hopefully Rod will make a healthy return and be our #3, that would push Stoke to the 4. Shoot, if they all were healthy we'd have a tremendous corps of receivers. IF.
    You are exactly right. And it is definately the IF that is the issue. Similar to persisiting with a player for too long on potential as opposed to results, the Broncos cannot go intot he season simply hoping that everything is going to work out.

    I think Marshall can be a top receiver for a long time, but I also want a successfull year this year, and for that to happen, he needs to be part of it.

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  • FroHawk27
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    Originally posted by Caliraiderhater View Post
    I agree that he needs to get on the field ASAP. However we also have to keep in mind HE says he wants to get out there and play. Its the trainers who are saying no. So yeah shanny i believe is trying to light a fire in him, but at the same time the doctors are prolly saying he isnt ready yet and not clearing him to play. And i for one think shanny understands that but is just trying to scare him a little bit so when he does come back he performes at a VERY HIGH level and wins that #2 spot.
    x2. 1CP4U. Shanny knows that the Dr.'s are the ones not clearing him to play so he simply CANNOT go period. It's a motivation technique. If he's uncertain about his starting position, then he's gonna play hard when he's cleared to show what he's got. Stokely is a #3 receiver by nature. Putting him in the 2 would be unnatural for him. Hopefully Rod will make a healthy return and be our #3, that would push Stoke to the 4. Shoot, if they all were healthy we'd have a tremendous corps of receivers. IF.

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  • BroncoSexyDaddy
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    Originally posted by Sam24 View Post
    All I have to say is he burned us two years in a row at the 3rd string level, why did it take this long to get him in here?
    I guess its better late than never.
    Sometimes you have to bump your head twice to remember


    What a bargin player!

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