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    • #77
      Originally posted by Cugel
      It was my understanding that the entire signing bonus is paid up-front, immediately on signing. That's why it's called a "signing bonus". If the bonus is split between immediate and future years, it's called a "roster bonus" and it depends upon the player being on the roster on a certain date.
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      • #78
        Originally posted by Cugel
        It was my understanding that the entire signing bonus is paid up-front, immediately on signing. That's why it's called a "signing bonus". If the bonus is split between immediate and future years, it's called a "roster bonus" and it depends upon the player being on the roster on a certain date.

        An example of a roster bonus is Courtney Brown who is due, I believe $8 million this March. That will have to be re-negotiated or he'll be released. IF he's released, then the entire unpaid remainder of the bonus is accelerated against the cap over the next 2 seasons. This creates dead cap space. You're paying for players who aren't even on the roster, like the Broncos having several $ million in dead cap space last year for "Pancake Boy" Gardner two years after he was cut.

        Trevor Pryce was a different situation.

        1. Trevor got a HUGE contract in 2001 (I think). Here's the breakdown by salary of the top 5 DEs for 2004:
        Player______Team___Base Salary____Sign Bonus__Other Bonus__Total Salary___Total Cap $
        Pryce, Trevor__Broncos__$ 5,350,000___$ 0___________$700,000_____$ 6,050,000__$ 7,816,667

        Brown, Courtney Browns $ 4,700,000__$ 1,250,000____$ 755,600_____$ 6,705,600__$ 7,555,266

        Strahan, Michael Giants__$ 4,250,000_____$ 0_____$ 102,400_____$ 4,352,400_____$ 6,580,685

        Kearse, Jevon Eagles____$ 535,000___$ 12,000,000____$ 4,001,500___$ 16,536,500___$ 6,536,500

        Now you see why Trevor re-negotiated for a lower amount! His salary cap figure was the highest in football, and he was paid all that loot despite being injured all year!

        Now you also see why the Browns cut Courtney Brown!

        Both those guys were making more money than Michael Strahan, the best DE in football! Trevor had 4 sacks and 24 tackles, Strahan had 11.5 sacks and 81 tackles.

        Trevor will probably be traded this off-season, and Courtney Brown will be re-structured or traded too.
        Here are numbers for NLPA the other nuimbers are not on the money so to speak just what the source was able to put together this os straight form the horses mouth so to speak.
        http://www.nflpa.org/Members/main.as...Search+Results
        Code:
        Name  Position  Team     Compensation
        2004
        Pryce, Trevor  DE Denver Broncos       5350000.00 
        Engelberger, John  DE Denver Broncos 535000.00 
        Ekuban, Ebenezer  DE Denver Broncos 535000.00 
        
        2005
        Pryce, Trevor  DE Denver Broncos         3000000.00 
        Engelberger, John  DE Denver Broncos 1265000.00 
        Coleman, Marco  DE Denver Broncos     1000000.00 
        Ekuban, Ebenezer  DE Denver Broncos   540000.00 
        Brown, Courtney  DE Denver Broncos     540000.00 
        Renteria, D.J.  DE Denver Broncos           230000.00 
        
        2006
        Pryce, Trevor  DE Denver Broncos         6530000.00 
        Ekuban, Ebenezer  DE Denver Broncos 3000000.00 
        Engelberger, John  DE Denver Broncos 1750000.00 
        Brown, Courtney  DE Denver Broncos   1400000.00 
        Renteria, D.J.  DE Denver Broncos           310000.00 
        Vaughn, Khaleed  DE Denver Broncos     310000.00 
        Jackson, Corey  DE Denver Broncos        310000.00 
        Majondo-Mwamba,   DE Denver Broncos 235000.00 
        Gause, George  DE Denver Broncos        235000.00 
        
        Brown, Courtney 
        http://www.nflpa.org/Members/playerProfile.asp?ID=28752 
        Player Info
         Draft Info
         
        DE (#92) 
         Year: 2000 
         
        Denver Broncos 
         Round: 1 
         
        Parker, CO
         Position: 1
         
        Salary History
         
        2005 540000.00 
        2006 1400000.00 
        2007 1900000.00 
        2008 2400000.00 
        2009 2900000.00
        AS I understand it thier is siging bonus, roster bonus and incentives.

        Only the siging is paid for up front they are all differnet but all combined into the total dolar value of the contract.

        So someone can sign a 50 mil dollar contract but only make 833K a year for 6 years, but have a signing bonus of 10 mil, a roster bonus every year afte the first year of 7 mil (7x5=35). The 10 mil is spread over the life of the contract although he gets it up front. So his annual cost is 1.8m for the signing, 5m for the roster and 833k for salary totals 7,133K.

        If he were to get released after one year before the roster bonus he would get the 10mil up front, and 833K. The club would then eat the rest of the prorated signing bonus the next year unless he was relaeased after 1Jun then it would be half of the total left this year, half next year.

        If the club is smart they will incorp incentives instead of roster bonuses. 2 mil for being the starter in the pro bowl, 1 as an alt, 1 mil for gaining 1000 yards, 2mil for 1500 and 3 mil for 2000. they all infalate the ego of the player, he can still say he signed 60 mil contract, but really only be getting 833k a year cause he does not make the incentives.

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        • #79
          Originally posted by Jrhampton
          Here are numbers for NLPA the other nuimbers are not on the money so to speak just what the source was able to put together this os straight form the horses mouth so to speak.
          http://www.nflpa.org/Members/main.as...Search+Results
          Code:
          Name  Position  Team     Compensation
          2004
          Pryce, Trevor  DE Denver Broncos       5350000.00 
          Engelberger, John  DE Denver Broncos 535000.00 
          Ekuban, Ebenezer  DE Denver Broncos 535000.00 
          
          2005
          Pryce, Trevor  DE Denver Broncos         3000000.00 
          Engelberger, John  DE Denver Broncos 1265000.00 
          Coleman, Marco  DE Denver Broncos     1000000.00 
          Ekuban, Ebenezer  DE Denver Broncos   540000.00 
          Brown, Courtney  DE Denver Broncos     540000.00 
          Renteria, D.J.  DE Denver Broncos           230000.00 
          
          2006
          Pryce, Trevor  DE Denver Broncos         6530000.00 
          Ekuban, Ebenezer  DE Denver Broncos 3000000.00 
          Engelberger, John  DE Denver Broncos 1750000.00 
          Brown, Courtney  DE Denver Broncos   1400000.00 
          Renteria, D.J.  DE Denver Broncos           310000.00 
          Vaughn, Khaleed  DE Denver Broncos     310000.00 
          Jackson, Corey  DE Denver Broncos        310000.00 
          Majondo-Mwamba,   DE Denver Broncos 235000.00 
          Gause, George  DE Denver Broncos        235000.00 
          
          Brown, Courtney 
          http://www.nflpa.org/Members/playerProfile.asp?ID=28752 
          Player Info
           Draft Info
           
          DE (#92) 
           Year: 2000 
           
          Denver Broncos 
           Round: 1 
           
          Parker, CO
           Position: 1
           
          Salary History
           
          2005 540000.00 
          2006 1400000.00 
          2007 1900000.00 
          2008 2400000.00 
          2009 2900000.00
          AS I understand it thier is siging bonus, roster bonus and incentives.

          Only the siging is paid for up front they are all differnet but all combined into the total dolar value of the contract.

          So someone can sign a 50 mil dollar contract but only make 833K a year for 6 years, but have a signing bonus of 10 mil, a roster bonus every year afte the first year of 7 mil (7x5=35). The 10 mil is spread over the life of the contract although he gets it up front. So his annual cost is 1.8m for the signing, 5m for the roster and 833k for salary totals 7,133K.

          If he were to get released after one year before the roster bonus he would get the 10mil up front, and 833K. The club would then eat the rest of the prorated signing bonus the next year unless he was relaeased after 1Jun then it would be half of the total left this year, half next year.

          If the club is smart they will incorp incentives instead of roster bonuses. 2 mil for being the starter in the pro bowl, 1 as an alt, 1 mil for gaining 1000 yards, 2mil for 1500 and 3 mil for 2000. they all infalate the ego of the player, he can still say he signed 60 mil contract, but really only be getting 833k a year cause he does not make the incentives.
          This is a good explanation of how the cap works. My post was long enough without going into how the acceleration of the signing bonus gets divided into year 1 and year 2 if the player is cut after June 1.

          That has very different cap ramifications of course.

          But, the figures you cite don't include the entire compensation, so, they're not the whole picture. For instance, Trevor's figure of $5,350,000 wouldn't include the pro-rated portion of any signing or roster bonus from previous years -- because he's already been paid that money in previous year, but those amounts would still count against the Broncos cap total.

          So, the money to the player this year doesn't reflect the total cap impact -- which is all we Broncos fans really care about anyway. Who cares what amount Trevor is taking home? We only care about the total cap figure!

          Ex: If Trevor signed a 5 year deal in 2001 with a $10 million signing bonus, then the pro-rated amount of that bonus would be $2 million in 2006 and that amount would be added to the Broncos cap figure. But, it wouldn't show up as player compensation for 2005.

          Last edited by Cugel; 02-06-2006, 01:20 PM.
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