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  • Sophia23
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    Disappointing is my only word. I will no longer care about football .... until next season.

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  • Bootleg
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    More embarrassing than any loss that happened under McDaniels, minus the debacle at home against the Raiders in 2010.

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  • Fantaztic7
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    Originally posted by azBRONCOSaz View Post
    I agree with much of your post. My main issue is the fact that Kubiak just seems very stubborn and inflexible. I see him as a guy who is stuck in his ways and is not willing to deviate from them even if it could help the team win. I am not an expert, but it seems like he goes with his scripted plays, which usually equal 4-5 series considering the teams continual 3 and outs,, the team gets behind, and then they try to put everything on the shoulders of a second year QB.

    To me, a great head coach can evaluate the group of guys he has, collaborate with the coordinators, and then design a scheme that can play up their strengths and try to play down their weaknesses, even if it is different than the game plan that the coach feels most comfortable with. I don't see that in Kubiak. I'm not saying his offense is bad, but trying to force his style of offense for 2 years when he doesn't have the players to execute it sounds like bad coaching to me.
    As poorly as they'be played it's no longer just about a lack of talent on the line.

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  • fraguela09
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    Originally posted by arapaho View Post
    With one guy to beat...and a least a bigplay
    Originally posted by azBRONCOSaz View Post
    I agree with much of your post. My main issue is the fact that Kubiak just seems very stubborn and inflexible. I see him as a guy who is stuck in his ways and is not willing to deviate from them even if it could help the team win. I am not an expert, but it seems like he goes with his scripted plays, which usually equal 4-5 series considering the teams continual 3 and outs,, the team gets behind, and then they try to put everything on the shoulders of a second year QB.

    To me, a great head coach can evaluate the group of guys he has, collaborate with the coordinators, and then design a scheme that can play up their strengths and try to play down their weaknesses, even if it is different than the game plan that the coach feels most comfortable with. I don't see that in Kubiak. I'm not saying his offense is bad, but trying to force his style of offense for 2 years when he doesn't have the players to execute it sounds like bad coaching to me.
    Originally posted by Broncos-R-Great View Post
    After the shouting match last week, the defense comes out and gives up the most yards since 2013, with that ridiculous Poe TD as icing on the cake.

    How quickly things have changed since Bennie Fowler was streaking towards the endzone against the Chiefs in Denver. Since that loss, the Broncos have scored 13 points, 10 points, 3 points, and 10 points, and are 1-3 during that stretch.

    Adding to that the Broncos have rushed for 104 yards, 18 yards, 58 yards, and 63 yards. Yet on defense the rushing yards they given up each game is 154 yards, 180 yards, 136 yards, and 238 yards.

    If you can't run the ball or stop the run, chances are you are going to lose.
    Originally posted by elway93 View Post
    Siemian capping it off with the pick lol. Time to break up this offense. And preferably show Kubes and Dennison the door. Gotta figure Dennison's as good as gone, Kubiak unfortunately could probably get away with 2 or 3 more years of throwing a limp uninspired and uncoached team onto the field before any blame comes back to him. And if Elway keeps up his five year streak of being incapable of drafting a single offensive weapon we might need to find someone else to start doing that for us too. This teams needs help heading into next year. Obviously a new OC with more control of the offense, a seriously beefed up o line, and likely a new quarterback unless Paxton makes a miraculous leap in the offseason. Can't be too mad cause these guys delivered us a super bowl last year, but there isn't much good to say about anything they did this year.

    Drafting Hillman, Ball, Booker; Brock, Paxton, Semien; The OL and WRs who have amounted to Nada.... I guess J-Thomas is the lone offensive weapon we've drafted (to go with Paradis).... CJ might have been undrafted....

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  • azBRONCOSaz
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    Originally posted by Fantaztic7 View Post
    His record in Houston was something I called out when he was hired. A lot of people said he didn't have the talent and eventually built a winning team. One of the issues was when Matt Schaub had a string of INTs and lost his confidence.

    Kubiak did a solid job of managing the QB situation last season. Benching Osweiler in the San Diego game was a tough call - he didn't really know if Manning was ready to play. Although the defense was elite, Kubiak made a difference last season as HC.

    This season he had two rookie QBs...Siemian was basically a rookie. The team was playing well in the win against Houston. We lost CJ after that game, then Janovich and Bibbs. I don't know how much Kubiak had to do with signing Stephenson and Okung - you saw Stephenson tonight. Atrocious play from Stephenson is not on Kubiak.

    I question Kubiak's cal to keep going with Norwood over several games. I question his call to fake the FG tonight.

    The biggest issue I have with Kubiak was offering a player to speak to the team first last week - great leaders do not delegate leadership. So for that kind of decision I question Kubiak's ability as a head coach.

    He should have made other moves to get Stephenson out of RT - try Billy Turner.

    I'm sure Elway will give it another season - then again you never know. We might see Kubiak step down.

    The team literally fell apart after the first game against KC.
    I agree with much of your post. My main issue is the fact that Kubiak just seems very stubborn and inflexible. I see him as a guy who is stuck in his ways and is not willing to deviate from them even if it could help the team win. I am not an expert, but it seems like he goes with his scripted plays, which usually equal 4-5 series considering the teams continual 3 and outs,, the team gets behind, and then they try to put everything on the shoulders of a second year QB.

    To me, a great head coach can evaluate the group of guys he has, collaborate with the coordinators, and then design a scheme that can play up their strengths and try to play down their weaknesses, even if it is different than the game plan that the coach feels most comfortable with. I don't see that in Kubiak. I'm not saying his offense is bad, but trying to force his style of offense for 2 years when he doesn't have the players to execute it sounds like bad coaching to me.
    Last edited by azBRONCOSaz; 12-25-2016, 10:33 PM. Reason: ETA: Spelling Error

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  • arapaho
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    Originally posted by -Rod- View Post

    With one guy to beat...and a least a bigplay

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  • Broncos-R-Great
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    Another depressing "fun" fact, the Chiefs ran for nearly as many yards just in this game (238) as the Broncos have total in the last 4 games combined (243)

    Let that sink in....

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  • Broncos-R-Great
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    After the shouting match last week, the defense comes out and gives up the most yards since 2013, with that ridiculous Poe TD as icing on the cake.

    How quickly things have changed since Bennie Fowler was streaking towards the endzone against the Chiefs in Denver. Since that loss, the Broncos have scored 13 points, 10 points, 3 points, and 10 points, and are 1-3 during that stretch.

    Adding to that the Broncos have rushed for 104 yards, 18 yards, 58 yards, and 63 yards. Yet on defense the rushing yards they given up each game is 154 yards, 180 yards, 136 yards, and 238 yards.

    If you can't run the ball or stop the run, chances are you are going to lose.

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  • VADER72
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elway
    In 60 secs 53 men will be calling their travel agents for their vacation plans.

    Nah, they did that weeks ago.

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  • Fantaztic7
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    Well everyone this was a tough night. Try not to let football get you down. Enjoy your family and friends. If you are traveling get home safely.

    The draft will be exciting as always and we know Elway will do everything possible to get this team back on top.

    Peace.....

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  • Fantaztic7
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    Originally posted by Broncos-R-Great View Post
    I guess Andy Reid looks too much like Santa Claus in that red Chiefs jumpsuit to lose on Christmas night.
    Lol good one

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  • Cnon
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    Originally posted by Elway View Post
    In 60 secs 53 men will be calling their travel agents for their vacation plans.

    Sounds about right!

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  • Elway
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    Unless we get the Oline fixed, No Qb is safe aback there and no RB will get many yards. Trevor caused some of his own issues this season, but damn that line was bad. We could go after Romo, and he would get broken in two one week behind that line.

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  • Fantaztic7
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    Originally posted by azBRONCOSaz View Post
    Kubiak was 61-64 as HC of the Texans. 8-8, 9-7 happened a lot. There was one 12-4 season that amounted to nothing, and the next year the Texans went 2-14. Why make excuses for this coach?

    People can be great coordinators, but that doesn't mean he will be a great, or even good, head coach. I still don't think that Kubiak would have gotten his job without his ties to Denver and friendship with Elway.
    His record in Houston was something I called out when he was hired. A lot of people said he didn't have the talent and eventually built a winning team. One of the issues was when Matt Schaub had a string of INTs and lost his confidence.

    Kubiak did a solid job of managing the QB situation last season. Benching Osweiler in the San Diego game was a tough call - he didn't really know if Manning was ready to play. Although the defense was elite, Kubiak made a difference last season as HC.

    This season he had two rookie QBs...Siemian was basically a rookie. The team was playing well in the win against Houston. We lost CJ after that game, then Janovich and Bibbs. I don't know how much Kubiak had to do with signing Stephenson and Okung - you saw Stephenson tonight. Atrocious play from Stephenson is not on Kubiak.

    I question Kubiak's cal to keep going with Norwood over several games. I question his call to fake the FG tonight.

    The biggest issue I have with Kubiak was offering a player to speak to the team first last week - great leaders do not delegate leadership. So for that kind of decision I question Kubiak's ability as a head coach.

    He should have made other moves to get Stephenson out of RT - try Billy Turner.

    I'm sure Elway will give it another season - then again you never know. We might see Kubiak step down.

    The team literally fell apart after the first game against KC.

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  • AZBobalu
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    Sadly, the worst part of this is that I think that we all line back up next August for Kubiak Part 3. Kub's can't/won't change and we need too much new talent on the offensive side of the ball to rebuild in one off season. Love the Broncos but I'm afraid that we're headed for another post season drought stretch as long as Kub's is here. Guess that we need to enjoy this defense and Wade for as long as they last.

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