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  • DiehardinAlaska
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    the irony was too much to bear

    Originally posted by Javalon
    Well, if you expect our cornerbacks to never get beat for touchdowns, I'd say your expectations are too high.

    They'll all give up plays this season, even for touchdowns. And even Champ will be scored on. It's the nature or the game, especially since they league made illegal contact a "point of emphasis" a couple years back.

    Anyway, I know it's no fun to watch the defense give up big plays. But they will happen from time to time. We just have to hope they don't happen too often and that our defense makes big plays in return.
    I'm used to seeing Bronco dbs get torched - I lived thru the Lilly years and became only sort-of an alcoholic. But anyway the reasons I brought this up were 1) it was the freakin Texans!! and 2) Sterling was saying we might have the best defensive backfield in football. and 3) I didn't think Moulds was that fast and he was pulling away from DWill.
    Last edited by DiehardinAlaska; 08-28-2006, 03:31 PM.

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  • Mount-n-Groan
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    Originally posted by PLUMMERFAN16
    Teams may have passed more against us for a reason. Namely that we play 10 yards off the WR and give up the slant all day long. It's not our players fault though, it's Coyer's.
    The reason teams passed on us more was that they 1) couldn't run on us, and 2) they were often playing from behind.

    ...or so I've heard. :paper:

    With that being said I would love our CB's to challenge the WR's off the line more though.

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  • PLUMMERFAN16
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    Originally posted by jhns
    Yeah in over all yards given up we where 29th I think it was. We also had about 50 passes more than any other defense on us. If you break it down to per pass we where way better than most any pass defense.

    http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/statis...on=2&year=2005

    33 more attempts on us than the next highest team with 613.

    3rd best completion percent with 56.1

    4th best yards per attempt with 6.25

    17th in TD's against with 20

    6 in ints with 20 - that can be because of so many attempts

    4th in QB ratings against our defense with us giving up on average a 72.2 qb rating to the oponents

    The total yards which is the only thing they take into account when comming up with that is not very telling in the real performance of a defense. You have to take into account how many more times people passed against us compared to some of the defenses that have a lot higher rating. There are a few teams with almost 200 less pass attempts against their defenses that rank higher than us soley from that alone. If you notice those are also some of the worst teams in the NFL. If a team is always behind then the teams that are playing them do not pass and therefore the total passing yards are not there.

    Teams may have passed more against us for a reason. Namely that we play 10 yards off the WR and give up the slant all day long. It's not our players fault though, it's Coyer's.

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  • PLUMMERFAN16
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    Originally posted by Breezer
    I must admit Cutler looks more comfortable back there then Plummer does. I guess now that I think about it, Plummer never looks comfortable on the field. Cutler provides us with that ol' Elway like calmness - he gives us that "you know he'll get the job done" feeling. Plummer does some good things, but you just never feel totally confident.
    What do you think?
    Oh lord, let's not start this again..... :hammer:

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  • broncos_mtnman
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    Originally posted by Breezer
    I must admit Cutler looks more comfortable back there then Plummer does. I guess now that I think about it, Plummer never looks comfortable on the field. Cutler provides us with that ol' Elway like calmness - he gives us that "you know he'll get the job done" feeling. Plummer does some good things, but you just never feel totally confident.
    What do you think?
    I think you're right!!

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  • prowler0814
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    Not looking to start a fire

    I'm not looking to start a fire here. Yes it's pre-season! No the game does not matter!

    What I'm trying to say is that plummers passing game was exactly what I expected. Yes I understand the long drives that can tire out a defense but at the same time we need to put points on the board. I watched too many long drives that end up with nothing. Why? Because the defense plays a short yardage game against a team that plays for short yardage. All I'm saying is that we need to keep the "D" off balanced. We did not do that this past year and I'm worried that the season will be the same this year. Maybe shanny will prove me wrong....I won't know till the season starts.

    I'm not saying that we cant win games using that type of offense. It's when we get to the playoffs against top notch teams that worries me. same ol' story right? we cant win the important games with plummer? ummmm.......I think I have to agree with that

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  • bruce80_267
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    Same here it way too early to see. I hope so much Plummer keep his job next season... It would't hurt for Cutler to get a few year under his belt.

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  • Javalon
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    I think this is a flame war waiting to happen. Considering every other thread seems to break out into a Jake vs. Jay war, I think the odds are pretty good of the same happening in a thread called "Cutler vs. Plummer".


    But since you asked, I think Plummer is going to have a pretty good season and the Broncos will make the playoffs again. Where we go from there is really tough to tell without seeing how various aspects play out (e.g. our pass rush from the D-line).

    Cutler is looking good so far. But it's preseason so we shouldn't read too much into it. I'm optimistic from what I've seen but we won't know for sure how he'll do with something on the line until he's put in that situation.

    But so far so good.

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  • Ravage!!!
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    As much as I'm excited for Cutler to start next season (because I'm excited to watch his talent grow)... I dont think we can compare the two of them during pre-season games.

    Cutler shows an inner calm.... something that Brady showed at an early stage that you wouldn't expect from a young QB. But thats never been Jake's style of play. Also.. its easier to be calm when you know you don't have anything on the line. Jay doesn't have anyone looking over his shoulder, and knows that he's not going to start this year. There isn't much pressure.

    I think that natural calm that Cutler has will help him throughout his career....but I think we've seen enough of these threads for now. The season is about to start.

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  • Breezer
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    Cutler vs. Plummer

    I must admit Cutler looks more comfortable back there then Plummer does. I guess now that I think about it, Plummer never looks comfortable on the field. Cutler provides us with that ol' Elway like calmness - he gives us that "you know he'll get the job done" feeling. Plummer does some good things, but you just never feel totally confident.
    What do you think?

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  • LawDog
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    Originally posted by LDB
    OK...I may be over-simplifying the situation. But answer me this...when exactly has Watts shown that he can catch the ball during games? Great, he is having his best training camp (he was praised during last year's TC too though), but aren't you at least a bit concerned that he hasn't really played much? Everyone is acting like he has done something to solidify his spot...I am just curious as to what he has done and when he has done it.

    He will make the roster, I think...I just don't see that the #3 spot is his.

    Oh, I agree that he has not locked up the #3 spot. But if Shannahan is convinced that Watts will make the squad (as 3-4 or 5) and has other guys to look at, as well as the decision of whether to keep 5, or 6 WR's (as he also stated in the presser) it still is reasonable for Darius to have been largely kept out of the game.

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  • LDB
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    OK...I may be over-simplifying the situation. But answer me this...when exactly has Watts shown that he can catch the ball during games? Great, he is having his best training camp (he was praised during last year's TC too though), but aren't you at least a bit concerned that he hasn't really played much? Everyone is acting like he has done something to solidify his spot...I am just curious as to what he has done and when he has done it.

    He will make the roster, I think...I just don't see that the #3 spot is his.

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  • LawDog
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    Originally posted by LDB
    So I suppose he wanted to see what Smith and Walker were like in game situations, huh? That doesn't make sense at all to me.

    Watts has proven nothing up to now. I don't care how good he has been in practice, he needs to get out on the field and show that he can catch the ball in live action. Something which he has not done up to now. I am sure that he will be on the team, but I don't buy that he is #3.
    That's an over simplification LDB, if you want to evaluate the 3-4-5-6 guys you rotate them into the #3 spot with the first team. You don't take out the 1-2 and put in the 3-4-6. Add in the fact that this was Rod's last preseason rep's and Javon's 1st (and only) "real" reps and passes, it makes sense that they both were playing. As noted above, Shannahan stated that keeping Watts out was by design and that he was evaluating the others.

    As far as Watts being on the field (as if proving something to you individually has some real impact on who makes the roster), I'm sure you will see quite a bit of him on Thursday against Arizona, so cool your jets with the rhetoric about how he needs to step it up until then.

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  • jhns
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    Originally posted by Dream
    The reason that the first-team offense played deep into the game against the Texans is because it's an actual Broncos tradition. They treat it like a real game. They want to see what they have going into the season and they like to evaluate the talent they have starting. They want to see how they fair somewhat deep into games.
    Every team in the NFL plays their starters a lot in the 3rd game. If they don't then they do it on the 4th game. It is just to get the starters game ready and give them a lot of plays so they can get confident and ready for the season.

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  • WABronco
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    ...and, it was pointed out multiple times last night that Shanahan wanted to get Walker lots of reps and about 6 or 7 catches.

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