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  • Fantaztic7
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    Originally posted by TheAsianPA View Post
    I mean, the reason Baltimore won was because they have a franchise QB, and we just simply don't. "Find a way to win" works when your overall talent is better than your opponent. We can beat the Steelers, but I'm not optimistic about our division chances.
    Baltimore also drafted Lamar when 31 teams passed on him. The coaching staff runs an offense leveraging his skills. Credit to Lamar for everything he does because he is incredibly talented and tough. I still give credit to their coaching staff because they developed the game plan to basically shut out the Broncos other than one scoring drive.

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  • Fantaztic7
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    John Harbaugh would be the #1 choice for a ton of NFL teams and the top D1 programs. You don’t go 132-80 without knowing what you’re doing.

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  • jmz313
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    Originally posted by Fantaztic7 View Post

    Baltimore also has better coaches. The Broncos have a decent defensive coordinator in Fangio. The Broncos need a head coach, offensive coordinator and special teams coach.
    Baltimore has a weak coaching staff IMO. As a Marylander, all I hear is how bad the coaching is in Balt and everyone wanting JH gone. its prob no different than all the people in Denver always calling for Fangio to be canned.

    Great teams still have bad games. Some teams match up better against others. In the end, The NFL will still crown a champion with losses on their record.

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  • Fantaztic7
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    Originally posted by TheAsianPA View Post
    I mean, the reason Baltimore won was because they have a franchise QB, and we just simply don't. "Find a way to win" works when your overall talent is better than your opponent. We can beat the Steelers, but I'm not optimistic about our division chances.
    Baltimore also has better coaches. The Broncos have a decent defensive coordinator in Fangio. The Broncos need a head coach, offensive coordinator and special teams coach.

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  • TheAsianPA
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    I mean, the reason Baltimore won was because they have a franchise QB, and we just simply don't. "Find a way to win" works when your overall talent is better than your opponent. We can beat the Steelers, but I'm not optimistic about our division chances.

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  • Broncos1963
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    Very good article and great post. Good teams are mentally unbreakable. I look forward to see if Denver can be that. Hope so. Bring on the tough games.

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  • FR Tim
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    Interesting read. I agree that the coaches need to make adjustments and put players in position to excel.

    But in the end, the players need to play. No matter how many injuries.

    Watching that game I saw the Ravens take a punch early with the TD and the defense playing well against the Jackson rush game. But then the Ravens just kicked the crap out of the Broncos and they folded before our eyes.

    We heard how Bridgewater was the beloved leader. Did anyone get pissed when he (or Spencer) were injured due to cheap shots? Any defenders take exception to the blown coverages ( one a TD, one luckily called back) Where was the emotion on either side of the ball.

    Even after that punk move by the Ravens at the end of the game, no one took offense? They just started shaking hands and making plans for dinner.

    IMO part of this tradition of losing that has been established is the acceptance of losing. Where are the emotional team leaders holding themselves and the team accountable. Want to stop losing, start showing some emotion. Would love to see someone pissed about losing. Don’t want rational, I want emotional. Hope to see some against the Steelers

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  • L.M.
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    Broncos must learn important lessons from Ravens as injuries mount
    Published: Oct 04, 2021 at 12:14 AM
    Jeffri Chadiha
    NFL.com Columnist


    DENVER -- The Broncos should pay close attention to the Ravens, the team that handed Denver its first loss on Sunday. They can learn a few things from Baltimore, including insightful tips that go well beyond strategy and execution. The Broncos are struggling with the same type of adversity that was supposed to capsize the Ravens when this season began. The question now is how Denver handles its own problems after such a strong start.

    There will be numerous skeptics who will say the Broncos got what they deserved in the 23-7 loss. Denver ripped off three early wins against weak opponents -- the Giants, Jaguars and Jets -- and then wilted against a Ravens team that just improved to 3-1. The reality is that the Broncos would have had a much better chance in this game if they hadn't been crippled by injuries. They were already down six starters coming into this contest and their starting quarterback, Teddy Bridgewater, didn't play in the second half after suffering a concussion late in the second quarter.

    So, yes -- the Broncos are at a point where they have to show they can handle stiffer competition. They're also entering that phase of the schedule without several key players, which means their mental toughness better be on point, as well.

    "We just have to respond," said Broncos outside linebacker Von Miller in a postgame press conference. "A week ago, it was a lot of hype. You can't really get caught up in the highs and lows in this game. We all know what problems the NFL presents. It's tough to go 17-0. … We just got to rack 'em up, look at this [game] for a couple hours, get back into the lab on Monday and let's respond."

    How Denver responds will say plenty about its prospects for the rest of the season. We already knew the race for AFC playoff spots was going to be fierce when this season ensued. Now the AFC West has turned into one of the most competitive divisions in football, with the Broncos, Chargers and Raiders all enjoying better starts than the defending conference champion Kansas City Chiefs. Every misstep moving forward could have major ramifications when January arrives.

    The Ravens already have proven they're ready for such a challenge. They lost their top three running backs and a Pro Bowl cornerback (Marcus Peters) before the regular season even began. They've responded by winning three straight games after losing the opener in Las Vegas. The statement they've made thus far: They don't give a damn about what they have to go through to reach their goals.

    The Broncos must show a similar resilience. They have one of the best rosters in football, but it's been tested over the past month. Coming into Sunday's game, they were down three starters on defense (cornerback Ronald Darby, outside linebacker Bradley Chubb and inside linebacker Josey Jewell, who's out for the season with a torn pec) and three more on offense (wide receiver Jerry Jeudy and starting guards Dalton Risner and Graham Glasgow). They've also lost wide receiver K.J. Hamler to an ACL tear.

    Sunday's defeat added two more important players to that list of walking wounded: Bridgewater and rookie first-round pick Patrick Surtain II, who left the game in the fourth quarter with a chest injury. Bridgewater was ruled out during halftime after being evaluated for a concussion, leaving Drew Lock to run the offense for the final two quarters. The backup quarterback wasn't able to fare much better than Bridgewater did before being sidelined. Overall, the Broncos gained just 254 total yards, surrendered five sacks and converted on just three of 14 third downs.

    That vaunted defense had its own challenges. The Broncos dared Ravens quarterback Lamar Jackson to beat them with his arm -- instead of his nifty running ability -- and he did just that, throwing for 316 yards and one touchdown, a 49-yard bomb to Marquise Brown.

    "We obviously wanted to limit his opportunities to carry it and scramble and we did that," said Broncos head coach Vic Fangio. "But they were able to complete the long passes, which negated that."

    The most discouraging aspect of the Broncos' performance was that momentum was hard to come by. Aside from their lone scoring drive -- which ended with a three-yard touchdown pass from Bridgewater to tight end Noah Fant -- and a 31-yard gallop by rookie Javonte Williams, who literally carried Ravens cornerback Marlon Humphrey on his back for about 15 yards, there was nothing exciting about this offense. That doesn't bode well for Denver.

    The Broncos will travel to Pittsburgh to face the struggling Steelers next. After that, three of their next four opponents are the Raiders, Cleveland Browns and Dallas Cowboys. All three of those teams have played at a high level on both sides of the football. The effort Denver just put on the field, if it continues, will lead to similar problems in those contests.

    The team should be getting some of its injured players back for those games. There's also a chance that Lock could be starting in Pittsburgh -- where he suffered a shoulder injury in a 26-21 loss last season -- since Bridgewater is now in the concussion protocol. Those two battled to win the quarterback job in training camp. Bridgewater eventually earned the job because of his consistency, experience and the way players gravitated to his leadership.

    "I'm not sure how the concussion protocols are but I'm going to go about it like I'm going to start this weekend," said Lock after throwing for 113 yards against Baltimore. "It will be a good chance to go back to Pittsburgh and put some of that to bed from last year. It will be exciting for me to take reps and get into the swing of things and see what we can do against a good Pittsburgh Steelers team."

    The Broncos will need every bit of that optimism. The Steelers might be 1-3, but they still have a defense that can create problems. Denver will need to run the football more consistently, protect the quarterback more effectively and find those dynamic passing plays that were lacking against Baltimore. As much as the Broncos want to ride their defense to wins, Sunday's game showed that such an approach can only go so far with an anemic offense.

    The good news for the Broncos is that they're still 3-1. They have a chance to regain their momentum if their depth is as good as advertised.

    "We always emphasize it, ... how important it is for everyone on this team -- whether you're on the practice squad or not -- we're going to need you," said Broncos safety Justin Simmons. "It's an unfortunate thing in this league. Injuries happen. If you play the game, you have a 100 percent chance of possibly getting injured. … Guys are dinged up. It's part of how the process goes, but we're going to need the guys who are backing them up to step up."

    So we'll see where the Broncos go from here. They probably received an unfair amount of criticism amid their early success -- after all, they didn't pick their opponents. The Broncos beat the teams they were supposed to beat. They're quickly moving into the part of the season where the tests become more daunting.

    It's unfortunate that Denver will go through this upcoming gauntlet with some key injuries. However, that doesn't mean they're doomed from this point on. All they have to do is look at how the Ravens handled their own problems. That's what good teams do: They find a way to get the job done.

    source: https://www.nfl.com/news/broncos-mus...injuries-mount
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    ^Fair and realistic assessment of the situation and even an impartial analyst acknowledges the impact of so many key injuries on this game and against our upcoming opponents. Coaches have got to make the necessary adjustments and get that depth up to speed in a hurry to prevent the slide! Fingers crossed!

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  • DENVERSB50CHAMP
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    Originally posted by L.M. View Post

    Mine too!
    LOL Option D shale for me please LOL

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  • Broncos1963
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    Originally posted by colowoz01 View Post

    I agree with you, Foundation of the Team (o-line , D-line ) It all starts here. Yesterday showed us how fragile our O-line is, both guards ruled out and the replacements were way below average. This allowed the Dirty-Birds to disable the main man, concussion and there goes the game plan by our OC, and we know he does not make adjustments. Backup QB and lack of utilizing his skills, but then there is NEVER a plan B.

    Head coach on the sideline looks as if he is overwhelmed. Lets see what the game plan is for next week at Pittsburg, can the coaches surprise me with some innovation and a great game plan for our backup QB ? This will expose them for what they are.
    Were you able to watch the guards very closely? I tried but it was hard to see in the tv broadcast and I'm not technical about oline play.

    Fangio always seems overwhelmed. I'm convinced he should be (is?) only a great DC. I, too, am looking forward to Pittsburgh. This will be a telling game. Even beat up, Denver should be very competitive or win. It's time for their mettle to show.

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  • L.M.
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    Originally posted by DENVERSB50CHAMP View Post

    My Sediment Exactly.
    Mine too!

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  • colowoz01
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    Originally posted by Broncos1963 View Post

    I think I might reverse those. TB has played decently despite the oline playing consistently poor. If the line could improve, I think (?) Bridgewater would be okay.

    I was worried about the line before the season. But people smarter than I continually claimed the oline was going to be very good. I didn't understand why they believed that. Now, it seems the line is below average, even with the starters. Today, they were even worse in pass pro. I don't see how they can improve for this season. I'm sad.
    I agree with you, Foundation of the Team (o-line , D-line ) It all starts here. Yesterday showed us how fragile our O-line is, both guards ruled out and the replacements were way below average. This allowed the Dirty-Birds to disable the main man, concussion and there goes the game plan by our OC, and we know he does not make adjustments. Backup QB and lack of utilizing his skills, but then there is NEVER a plan B.

    Head coach on the sideline looks as if he is overwhelmed. Lets see what the game plan is for next week at Pittsburg, can the coaches surprise me with some innovation and a great game plan for our backup QB ? This will expose them for what they are.

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  • gtown53
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    The ravens won for 3 simple reasons. They have a better offense, they have a better defense (especially pass rushing), and they have better Special Teams.

    This isn't rocket science.

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  • DENVERSB50CHAMP
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    Originally posted by Skylan View Post
    Holy crap, this team just absolutely quit yesterday. It felt like 2020 all over again. The lead the ravens had wasn't insurmountable, you could just tell the entire team knew they weren't coming back. Felt like the Steelers game from last year actually. I had high hopes for the team and then boom! Lost our starting QB and Sutton and the team never recovered. Is this our Steelers game from last year? Ironically , we play the Steelers next week.. guess we'll find out.

    The offensive line got manhandled. I get it, down two starting guards right? But isn't it true that Risner has been pretty poor all year anyways? Would he really have been that much better than Meinerz? I'm almost relieved Teddy didn't come back in the second half, he was going to end up with a lot more than just a concussion the way he was taking hits.

    Is it just the absence of Hamler and Jeudy that caused the offense to regress so much? Those two guys could really spread the defense, it seems like we just have no one that can get open consistently now.

    Injuries hurt, but the Ravens have a lot of injuries too. They didn't roll over. Granted, we didn't knock their QB out, but I'd say they weren't having a hard time with Teddy in, either.

    Pat Shumer is absolute garbage. Why would we keep him? He doesn't seem to have any sort of idea what to do if his initial plan doesn't work. There's no plan "B" , there's just plan "A" and "Panic". The fact that we kept this moron and the special teams coach was almost as insulting as bringing in Joe Flacco to play QB for this team.
    My Sediment Exactly.

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  • Skylan
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    Holy crap, this team just absolutely quit yesterday. It felt like 2020 all over again. The lead the ravens had wasn't insurmountable, you could just tell the entire team knew they weren't coming back. Felt like the Steelers game from last year actually. I had high hopes for the team and then boom! Lost our starting QB and Sutton and the team never recovered. Is this our Steelers game from last year? Ironically , we play the Steelers next week.. guess we'll find out.

    The offensive line got manhandled. I get it, down two starting guards right? But isn't it true that Risner has been pretty poor all year anyways? Would he really have been that much better than Meinerz? I'm almost relieved Teddy didn't come back in the second half, he was going to end up with a lot more than just a concussion the way he was taking hits.

    Is it just the absence of Hamler and Jeudy that caused the offense to regress so much? Those two guys could really spread the defense, it seems like we just have no one that can get open consistently now.

    Injuries hurt, but the Ravens have a lot of injuries too. They didn't roll over. Granted, we didn't knock their QB out, but I'd say they weren't having a hard time with Teddy in, either.

    Pat Shumer is absolute garbage. Why would we keep him? He doesn't seem to have any sort of idea what to do if his initial plan doesn't work. There's no plan "B" , there's just plan "A" and "Panic". The fact that we kept this moron and the special teams coach was almost as insulting as bringing in Joe Flacco to play QB for this team.

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