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  • LSIGRAD09
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    Originally posted by Zanataki View Post

    Drew was doing that under Scangarello.
    Lol, sure. ok.

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  • Ear2dastreets
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    Originally posted by L.M. View Post
    Before the 2018 Draft, Josh Allen was considered gifted but a bit raw and more of a project so lots of folks around here were completely against drafting him. If the Broncos had done so, then Allen's development would have been hamstrung by a carousel of bad OC's (Musgrave, Scangarello, and Shurmur) and shifting offenses. Buffalo offered stability, continuity, and better coaching which developed Allen's potential into the great pro quarterback he is today. In Denver, he likely would have been discarded already as a "bust".
    Totally disagree. More than 90% of people on here never heard of Daboll before Allen. With a different qb different decision, runs, and throws would have been made which in turn play calling would have been different.

    When people say that their are putting all of lock/TB issues solely on the o.c. and that's not true.

    Sometimes when qbs play bad...its just that, they played bad.

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  • L.M.
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    Before the 2018 Draft, Josh Allen was considered gifted but a bit raw and more of a project so lots of folks around here were completely against drafting him. If the Broncos had done so, then Allen's development would have been hamstrung by a carousel of bad OC's (Musgrave, Scangarello, and Shurmur) and shifting offenses. Buffalo offered stability, continuity, and better coaching which developed Allen's potential into the great pro quarterback he is today. In Denver, he likely would have been discarded already as a "bust".

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  • Broncos-R-Great
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    Originally posted by broncolee View Post

    Just so you know. What I am about to say doesn’t apply to you.

    It’s funny to see the same people who wish for Josh Allen are the same people who dismiss Justin Fields as a bust.

    There we’re legitimate concerns about Allen that indicated he shouldn’t have been drafted high.

    Somehow the Broncos should have drafted him but not Justin Fields.

    It’s easy to use hindsight to say that they should have drafted Allen. It’s a hollow statement. 31 teams failed to draft Tom Brady. 32 teams failed to draft him before the sixth round. Several teams failed to draft Aaron Rodgers. Several teams failed to draft Joe Montana. It happens. Teams often fail to draft a great quarterback. Several teams failed to draft Patrick Maholmes.

    I’m on record saying I wanted Micah Parsons so no one better claim I’m upset about them not drafting Fields. I just don’t like the disparaging remarks about him, especially from those who somehow think the Broncos didn’t have legitimate reasons for not drafting Josh Allen, when the most glaring reason is the one that quarterbacks rarely ever improve.
    Josh Allen in a vacuum, whatever, they missed it. But, it’s not just Josh Allen. It’s 5+ years of terrible decisions, they loved Dak but drafted Lynch, they loved Allen but drafted Chubb, they loved Herbert but never made a legitimate effort to trade up and get him, they loved Darnold, he was available this year for nothing but they opted for Bridgewater.

    Everything points back to the FO and their multiple failed attempts at recreating 2015.

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  • broncolee
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    Originally posted by Ear2dastreets View Post

    He is making most of his plays outside of the pocket and using his legs....you can't coach that I'm sorry.
    Just so you know. What I am about to say doesn’t apply to you.

    It’s funny to see the same people who wish for Josh Allen are the same people who dismiss Justin Fields as a bust.

    There we’re legitimate concerns about Allen that indicated he shouldn’t have been drafted high.

    Somehow the Broncos should have drafted him but not Justin Fields.

    It’s easy to use hindsight to say that they should have drafted Allen. It’s a hollow statement. 31 teams failed to draft Tom Brady. 32 teams failed to draft him before the sixth round. Several teams failed to draft Aaron Rodgers. Several teams failed to draft Joe Montana. It happens. Teams often fail to draft a great quarterback. Several teams failed to draft Patrick Maholmes.

    I’m on record saying I wanted Micah Parsons so no one better claim I’m upset about them not drafting Fields. I just don’t like the disparaging remarks about him, especially from those who somehow think the Broncos didn’t have legitimate reasons for not drafting Josh Allen, when the most glaring reason is the one that quarterbacks rarely ever improve.

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  • Ear2dastreets
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    Originally posted by Broncos-R-Great View Post

    Lol c’mon now! Have you seen the type of plays and throws Allen makes? It’s pure talent, he’s making his coaches look good, that the other way around.
    He is making most of his plays outside of the pocket and using his legs....you can't coach that I'm sorry.

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  • Broncos-R-Great
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    Originally posted by broncolee View Post

    It took three years for Allen to prove the Bills weren’t stupid for drafting him.

    Coaching absolutely matters.

    Allen went to the right situation for him.
    Lol c’mon now! Have you seen the type of plays and throws Allen makes? It’s pure talent, he’s making his coaches look good, that the other way around.

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  • broncolee
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    Quarterbacks don’t usually improve their accuracy from college to the NFL.

    Allen is the exception, not the rule.

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  • Ear2dastreets
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    Originally posted by Broncos-R-Great View Post
    Allen would’ve been a beast here. Daboll didn’t do crap for his development. It’s hilarious the stuff you guys throw out there, to try to make yourselves feel better about this teams massive failures the last few years.
    That you and I agree 1000%. People on this board are so funny any qb you say come here they say "he wouldn't be develop here bc of Pat" if their last name us not lock lol. In saying that, they are putting 100% of lock play on Pat Shurmur and that's crap. We could have had several qbs and the first thing they say is our OC won't be able to develop them. Maybe they don't have the qb they need Elway took lock.

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  • broncolee
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    Originally posted by Broncos-R-Great View Post
    Allen would’ve been a beast here. Daboll didn’t do crap for his development. It’s hilarious the stuff you guys throw out there, to try to make yourselves feel better about this teams massive failures the last few years.
    It took three years for Allen to prove the Bills weren’t stupid for drafting him.

    Coaching absolutely matters.

    Allen went to the right situation for him.

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  • Broncos-R-Great
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    Allen would’ve been a beast here. Daboll didn’t do crap for his development. It’s hilarious the stuff you guys throw out there, to try to make yourselves feel better about this teams massive failures the last few years.

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  • Bootleg
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    Originally posted by fraguela09 View Post


    not to acquit Teddy B. However, while he clearly isn’t winning games… he’s isnt playing poorly enough that he’s costing the team wins.

    The secondary and the OL… this is hurting the team more…
    Definitely. Bridgewater, to this point, has been the QB he was expected to be. I haven't been disappointed by his play because I wasn't expecting a world-beater.

    However, the secondary and offensive line have both been poor, with neither playing anywhere near their potential.

    If the Steelers game is anything to go off, coaching still remains the biggest issue. Hopefully they can turn things around.

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  • Fantaztic7
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    Originally posted by Hadez View Post

    I am not sure if Allen develops at all under Fangio and his offensive coaches.

    There was also a pretty big trade available that we passed on for Chubb.
    Most responses to missing drafting a great quarterback go something like, “Fans wouldn’t have been patient with Allen” and “Our coaches would not have helped him develop”. The fact is the Broncos failed to draft a great quarterback - the rest is speculation. Actually the fan base for the most part has been patient with Lock.

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  • GMTD
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    Originally posted by fraguela09 View Post

    Well, that goes without saying. The point is, a good coach (a genius on defense) should’ve able to win with average QB

    Watching Russell Wilson, Josh Allen, and Justin Herbert…. I get angry with Elway.
    Elway wanted Josh Allen but appears to have been talked out of it by those who thought him just another giant with a big arm and accuracy issues.

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  • Hadez
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    Originally posted by PA_Broncos_Fan View Post
    Good thing we got Bradley Chubb instead of Josh Allen.
    I am not sure if Allen develops at all under Fangio and his offensive coaches.

    There was also a pretty big trade available that we passed on for Chubb.

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