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  • Overall, Draft Looks Like A Poor One

    You better hit your spots in this Draft, because in two years you are going to see alot of these players start to wash out....really, there are very few 'Blue Chip' players available, and very little depth at virtually any positon.


    Just compare the Draft where Dallas got DeMarcus Ware at #11 and the Chargers got Merriman at #12, and compare that to the options the Broncos have now....not even in the same Universe.

  • #2
    Originally posted by MindField View Post
    You better hit your spots in this Draft, because in two years you are going to see alot of these players start to wash out....really, there are very few 'Blue Chip' players available, and very little depth at virtually any positon.


    Just compare the Draft where Dallas got DeMarcus Ware at #11 and the Chargers got Merriman at #12, and compare that to the options the Broncos have now....not even in the same Universe.
    If you asked me it looks more like there is 10-11 really good players and then there is a LOT of depth.

    so if we traded down we would be in good position.

    It isnt looking like a really big STAR STUDDED draft but a very good solid player typa one.
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    • #3
      Originally posted by JoRo View Post
      If you asked me it looks more like there is 10-11 really good players and then there is a LOT of depth.

      so if we traded down we would be in good position.

      It isnt looking like a really big STAR STUDDED draft but a very good solid player typa one.
      I completely disagree...worst Draft I have seen since the Draft Alex Smith and Ronnie Brown were 1/2...

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      • #4
        Originally posted by MindField View Post
        You better hit your spots in this Draft, because in two years you are going to see alot of these players start to wash out....really, there are very few 'Blue Chip' players available, and very little depth at virtually any positon.


        Just compare the Draft where Dallas got DeMarcus Ware at #11 and the Chargers got Merriman at #12, and compare that to the options the Broncos have now....not even in the same Universe.
        You're both correct, and wrong in your evaluation. Fact is that it is weak in particular areas and weaker in others, yet strong in others - defensive end, offensive tackle, running backs and receivers are the strength of this years draft, next year will be the year of interior offensive linemen, defensive tackles, linebackers, quarterbacks and defensive backs. Look at the prospects for next year, it is easy to see that next years class would be the best to fill defensive needs, that is why this draft sucks for all those wanting defensive studs...there is likely to be five to six first round defensive tackles next year, safeties there will be three to four and same for corners, linebackers will be hellaciously deep and some stud interior offensive linemen will go in the top two, same for quarterbacks...this year there is no real impressive key quarterbacks that are just amazing!

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        • #5
          There was an average of 15-18 first round grades given by most teams last year regarding the crop, I'd be astonished if this class graded out worst. This class is great at LB, OT, RB, WR and DE. It's decent on the interior line, has some average safety depth. CB is a lot better than it was. Not a whole lot of elite guys, but a lot of top three round talent. This has a making to be a very good class. I'm not sure how you're getting this evaluation of it being poor.

          It doesn't have the ELITE guys, but it's just a SOLID all around class.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Dream View Post
            There was an average of 15-18 first round grades given by most teams last year regarding the crop, I'd be astonished if this class graded out worst. This class is great at LB, OT, RB, WR and DE. It's decent on the interior line, has some average safety depth. CB is a lot better than it was. Not a whole lot of elite guys, but a lot of top three round talent. This has a making to be a very good class. I'm not sure how you're getting this evaluation of it being poor.

            It doesn't have the ELITE guys, but it's just a SOLID all around class.
            That is what I was trying to say. It doesn't look like there are as many Elite players but a lot of players that should fill in the top 3 rounds well.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Dream View Post
              There was an average of 15-18 first round grades given by most teams last year regarding the crop, I'd be astonished if this class graded out worst. This class is great at LB, OT, RB, WR and DE. It's decent on the interior line, has some average safety depth. CB is a lot better than it was. Not a whole lot of elite guys, but a lot of top three round talent. This has a making to be a very good class. I'm not sure how you're getting this evaluation of it being poor.

              It doesn't have the ELITE guys, but it's just a SOLID all around class.
              I would be willing to say it is balanced...but I can hands down say next years class of quarterbacks, linebackers (while this year is overall good), defensive tackles, safeties and interior linemen will have much more to offer near elite then this class...is that better? The only thing I can say is that next year has one very elite receiver in Crabtree, who will be a top five pick IMHO.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by lancane View Post
                I would be willing to say it is balanced...but I can hands down say next years class of quarterbacks, linebackers (while this year is overall good), defensive tackles, safeties and interior linemen will have much more to offer near elite then this class...is that better? The only thing I can say is that next year has one very elite receiver in Crabtree, who will be a top five pick IMHO.
                I think he will be hit by the system question (which is a legitimate question)

                and while the linebackers in the next draft may have more elite... this one seems at least from here to have a LOT more depth which is fitting to what we want to do right now with that I would think.

                and quarterbacks only pushes down other players for us... but from a year away this years qb class looked close to elite as it had so many possibly first rounders.


                I still think 5 years down the road Henne will be a far superior qb to Ryan. Anyone wanna bet me on that?
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by JoRo View Post
                  I think he will be hit by the system question (which is a legitimate question)

                  and while the linebackers in the next draft may have more elite... this one seems at least from here to have a LOT more depth which is fitting to what we want to do right now with that I would think.

                  and quarterbacks only pushes down other players for us... but from a year away this years qb class looked close to elite as it had so many possibly first rounders.


                  I still think 5 years down the road Henne will be a far superior qb to Ryan. Anyone wanna bet me on that?
                  I really would not mind if we drafted a halfback, linebacker, receiver, offensive tackle and possibly a safety on day two...then next year draft a defensive tackle, safety and another stud linebacker. I think if we did draft that way and continued to keep overall better drafting balance we would stay far more competitive then we have been.

                  And as for Henne and Ryan, I would not take that bet...I would not bet on any of this years quarterbacks to be anything more then generally sufficient.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Dream View Post
                    There was an average of 15-18 first round grades given by most teams last year regarding the crop, I'd be astonished if this class graded out worst. This class is great at LB, OT, RB, WR and DE. It's decent on the interior line, has some average safety depth. CB is a lot better than it was. Not a whole lot of elite guys, but a lot of top three round talent. This has a making to be a very good class. I'm not sure how you're getting this evaluation of it being poor.

                    It doesn't have the ELITE guys, but it's just a SOLID all around class.
                    See, I view the WR's in this Draft as Fools Gold. For instance, Limas Sweed in particular looks like an incredibly over-rated player, after his drops today and poor route running; he looks like a bust in waiting...I like Malcom Kelly, but then who else is there? DeSean Jackson is a bean pole, and I seriously doubt he could stand up to the pounding as both a receiver and return specialist, which is what he does best...and do players like Early Doucet and Donnie Avery excite you?

                    Overall, I would rate this WR class as poor.

                    Additionally, everyone seems to say the LB class is very good, but I don't see it...there isn't a legit Top 15 player among them, unless you include Keith Rivers, who, like Sweed, just sends up warning flags all around him as far as I am concerned. I like Connor, but he isn't going to be special in the NFL, probably just a very good supporting player....and I think Ali Highsmith is also a bust in waiting. Incredibly over-rated.

                    All in all, I woulds only give you OT's, RB's and maybe DE's, but that's all...there are alot of QB's, but most are just backup types....
                    Last edited by MindField; 01-22-2008, 07:37 PM.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by lancane View Post
                      I really would not mind if we drafted a halfback, linebacker, receiver, offensive tackle and possibly a safety on day two...then next year draft a defensive tackle, safety and another stud linebacker. I think if we did draft that way and continued to keep overall better drafting balance we would stay far more competitive then we have been.

                      And as for Henne and Ryan, I would not take that bet...I would not bet on any of this years quarterbacks to be anything more then generally sufficient.

                      2009 DT's next year will be monstrous. 13 top DT's in round projected in the 2009 where they may land. All Juniors (so round 3-4 DT's can be in round 2 or solid round 3's)

                      Any one of these DT's would be great to have on our team.

                      DT round 1 and 2 in 2009 (proj)
                      Fili Moala (USC)
                      Terrance Taylor (Michigan)
                      Demonte Bolden (Tennessee)
                      Jeff Owens (Georgia)
                      Myron Pryor (Kentucky)
                      Roy Miller (Texas)
                      Marlon Favorite (LSU)

                      DT round 3 and 4 in 2009 (proj)
                      Peria Jerry (Mississippi)
                      Vance Walker(Georgia tech)
                      George Hypolite (Colorado)
                      Terrill Byrd (Cincinnati)
                      Darryl Richard (Georgia Tech)
                      Jason Chapman (Wisconsin)
                      McDaniles Career as a failure of a Head Coach is being fulfilled. Termination of McFailure has happen.

                      Rejoice Bronco Fans we have taken our team back, but at a heavy cost.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by MindField View Post
                        See, I view the WR's in this Draft as Fools Gold. For instance, Limas Sweed in particular looks like an incredibly over-rated player, after his drops today and poor route running; he looks like a bust in waiting...I like Malcom Kelly, but then who else is there? DeSean Jackson is a bean pole, and I seriously doubt he could stand up to the pounding as both a receiver and return specialist, which is what he does best...and do players like Early Doucet and Donnie Avery excite you?

                        Overall, I would rate this WR class as poor.

                        Additionally, everyone seems to say the LB class is very good, but I don't see it...there isn't a legit Top 15 player among them, unless you include Keith Rivers, who, like Sweed, just sends up warning flags all around him as far as I am concerned. I like Connor, but he isn't going to be special in the NFL, probably just a very good supporting player....and I think Ali Highsmith is also a bust in waiting. Incredibly over-rated.

                        All in all, I woulds only give you OT's, RB's and maybe DE's, but that's all...there are alot of QB's, but most are just backup types....
                        I disagree on the LB comment. LB usually goes deep and that what it looks like this year. Just becuse there is not a Willis does not make this class bad. Paul Pozlesny, David Harris, Woodley, all examples from last year of 2nd round guys that produce and I think you will see the same this year. No excitment for Bowman, Hardy, Bennett, Mario, Bryant, Hall, Smith, to name a few? I will say it again, and agree with the guys above, might lack top end elite talent but there is depth to this class.
                        Thanks WhiteDragon!

                        http://forums.denverbroncos.com/showthread.php?t=85326 Last years 1st RD Mock
                        GM Draft-#24-CB Aqib Talib Kansas
                        #54-WR Earl Bennett Vandy
                        #85-G Roy Schuening OSU
                        #114(via HOU-Pacman Trade) TE Brad Cottam TEN
                        #120 LB Ben Moffit USF
                        #180
                        #211
                        Block: TE Troupe RB Brown DT Starks

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by BroncoAV06 View Post
                          I disagree on the LB comment. LB usually goes deep and that what it looks like this year. Just becuse there is not a Willis does not make this class bad. Paul Pozlesny, David Harris, Woodley, all examples from last year of 2nd round guys that produce and I think you will see the same this year. No excitment for Bowman, Hardy, Bennett, Mario, Bryant, Hall, Smith, to name a few? I will say it again, and agree with the guys above, might lack top end elite talent but there is depth to this class.
                          I agree, look at Jordan Dizon.
                          Let's fix this defense!!!!!!!!!!!!

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                          • #14
                            This is the deepest and most talented draft that I've ever seen. No disrespect towards anyone, just stating my honest to God opinion. I am literally floored with the amount of talent at seemingly every position that will be available into the 5th round.

                            I am finished with my complete and full 3 round mock and its amazing the players that are still on the board.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by lancane View Post
                              You're both correct, and wrong in your evaluation. Fact is that it is weak in particular areas and weaker in others, yet strong in others - defensive end, offensive tackle, running backs and receivers are the strength of this years draft, next year will be the year of interior offensive linemen, defensive tackles, linebackers, quarterbacks and defensive backs.
                              That is PRECISELY why I've harped on about Ellis being the ONLY choice we have for DT this year. Beyond him, there ARENT' ANY DTs worth bringing into camp. Granted, we CAN wait until next year to draft a DT, and that's what some of you have proposed. But I don't agree with doing that.

                              Next year's draft may very well have MORE DTs that are OVERALL BETTER than this year's DT crop but that doesn't mean that one will be better than Ellis. I think Ellis is a RARE talent at DT.

                              As for RBs, the draft is PROBABLY one of the deepest in recent history. Don't be surprised if we see 3-5 rookie RBs go over the 1k yards mark this year.



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