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  • Cugel
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    Originally posted by lancane View Post
    I would not doubt that one bit...that would be something Shanahan would do, he loves to screw with people's heads. Every year people get excited because our scouts talked to this kid or that kid, but of those we have talked to...we have only grabbed three or four of them, and none were from the top two rounds except I believe Moss, I think they talked to Moss once is what he said, then said something like he was surprised they picked him with what little was said between he and them.
    You know what I think? I think the Broncos only talked to Moss that once so that other teams wouldn't be able to pin-point the Broncos picks by process of elimination: "now let's see. . . who haven't they talked to. . . " realizing that the Broncos never draft anyone they've talked to, so their real pick must be someone they haven't talked to and guessing that way!

    Now the reverse psychology won't work either. Neither talking nor not talking is a clue.

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  • lancane
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    Originally posted by BroncoKazuki View Post
    I was looking at who we interviewed and how everyone on the boards were elated that we may draft defense.


    I think Shanahan is covering his tracks, it really looks like he's making everyone think he'll go Defense in the first round but he showed showed some discontent of the run game that may or may not tip off the rest of the league that we may draft a RB in the first round.

    This way he's giving those who say we should draft defense something to much on while not tipping the rest of the league that we need a RB threat that Henry, Young, Sapp, Hall and Bell cannot provide but thats my view
    I would not doubt that one bit...that would be something Shanahan would do, he loves to screw with people's heads. Every year people get excited because our scouts talked to this kid or that kid, but of those we have talked to...we have only grabbed three or four of them, and none were from the top two rounds except I believe Moss, I think they talked to Moss once is what he said, then said something like he was surprised they picked him with what little was said between he and them.

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  • BroncoKazuki
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    I was looking at who we interviewed and how everyone on the boards were elated that we may draft defense.


    I think Shanahan is covering his tracks, it really looks like he's making everyone think he'll go Defense in the first round but he showed showed some discontent of the run game that may or may not tip off the rest of the league that we may draft a RB in the first round.

    This way he's giving those who say we should draft defense something to much on while not tipping the rest of the league that we need a RB threat that Henry, Young, Sapp, Hall and Bell cannot provide but thats my view

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  • stnzed
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    "A great DT"??????

    Originally posted by lancane View Post
    Is that you Henry? I thought you would be out sitting one of your nine kids, or toking it up somewhere!

    Well then, Travis Henry would have to be the one making the deal!

    Only Travis Henry would trade Tommie Harris for Travis Henry......

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  • lancane
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    Originally posted by NxtYrNvrArrives View Post
    This is just my personal opinion:

    Draft/(fix team) in this order:

    First, an ILB (DJ can go back to outside where he'll be even more productive)
    Second, a Safety (hopefully Lynch stays at least one more year, as well)
    Third, ether an OL or a WR (depending on if Denver loses both Smith AND Walker, then they should get a WR here)
    Fourth, an OL or WR depending on what they do with their third pick
    Fifth, a RB
    Also, I think they could possibly make a couple of good trades to get some guys through FA.
    What I might suggest, first of all, if Walker really wants out (which he would be incredibly stupid if he really does, because I know for a fact that he will get a lot of rec. along side Marshall and Stokely) then trade him for somebody. Not necessarily another WR, but possibly someone either on the o-line, or d-line (preferably a DT to help aid Thomas and whoever). Either that, or trade Henry for a great DT. Don't draft one, get a guy through FA. However, either of these moves should be thought out ahead of the draft, obviously. If Walker goes, and Rod Smith retires (which would be sad...), they need to draft a WR to fill the hole. If Henry goes, then I would like to see Denver get a RB in the draft. That could prove to be very interesting. I really like both Young and Hall, but Shanahan doesn't seem to think either one of them can really handle being THE starter and getting the majority of the carries, so I think they should draft a guy who they do think is capable of doing just that.
    Is that you Henry? I thought you would be out sitting one of your nine kids, or toking it up somewhere!

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  • NxtYrNvrArrives
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    Draft ideas

    This is just my personal opinion:

    Draft/(fix team) in this order:

    First, an ILB (DJ can go back to outside where he'll be even more productive)
    Second, a Safety (hopefully Lynch stays at least one more year, as well)
    Third, ether an OL or a WR (depending on if Denver loses both Smith AND Walker, then they should get a WR here)
    Fourth, an OL or WR depending on what they do with their third pick
    Fifth, a RB
    Also, I think they could possibly make a couple of good trades to get some guys through FA.
    What I might suggest, first of all, if Walker really wants out (which he would be incredibly stupid if he really does, because I know for a fact that he will get a lot of rec. along side Marshall and Stokely) then trade him for somebody. Not necessarily another WR, but possibly someone either on the o-line, or d-line (preferably a DT to help aid Thomas and whoever). Either that, or trade Henry for a great DT. Don't draft one, get a guy through FA. However, either of these moves should be thought out ahead of the draft, obviously. If Walker goes, and Rod Smith retires (which would be sad...), they need to draft a WR to fill the hole. If Henry goes, then I would like to see Denver get a RB in the draft. That could prove to be very interesting. I really like both Young and Hall, but Shanahan doesn't seem to think either one of them can really handle being THE starter and getting the majority of the carries, so I think they should draft a guy who they do think is capable of doing just that.
    Last edited by NxtYrNvrArrives; 01-25-2008, 08:40 PM.

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  • Schism
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    How about this trade with Dallas?

    They get #12 pick (1,200 points) #117 (60 points) from us.

    We get #22 (780 points) #60 (300 points) and the DT Spears who they're looking to shop.

    This values Spears at a mid-late 3rd round pick, which I believe is fair enough.

    So we can add another pick in Round 2 for ourselves and get an experienced, but still relatively young, DT to add to our pool of youngsters.


    Hard to know whether Dallas would do this trade, perhaps they'll target Kenny Phillips?

    Alternatively they could be looking to make a move for McFadden and could do it in two steps rather than just one big one. They'd still have #12 and #28 in round one after doing this trade, so they could easily package them together and trade with Oakland or maybe the Jets to get in range to acquire him.

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  • BroncoKazuki
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    Originally posted by denver30 View Post
    Still Jerry Jones is a risk taker and if he gets his heart set on a player near 12 we will be in business.
    I still wouldn't take it

    we'll loose Mendenhall or Stewart, some boards have Stewart going to Arizona in the 16th round and Mendenhall going to Seattle in the 25th

    Of course we'll be ahead of them with the 1st Cle. pick but still we would have to give something up.


    So overall its either 15th or 17th pick.

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  • denver30
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    Originally posted by BroncoKazuki View Post
    wont work
    Cowboys 22nd pick - 800
    Cowboys 28th pick -720

    total 1520 points


    if we do this we would have to trade something else as well

    our 1st (1200 points) + our 2 4ths(70+80 pts). would be too costly I doubt we should give away our 2nd as well just so we have to reach in the 2nd round for 2nd round players.

    Minn and Detroit are our best bets and overall well rounded.
    Still Jerry Jones is a risk taker and if he gets his heart set on a player near 12 we will be in business.

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  • BroncoKazuki
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    Originally posted by denver30 View Post
    I think Dallas is another potential trade partner if we could get their first rounders for our first rounder. That would be great
    wont work
    Cowboys 22nd pick - 800
    Cowboys 28th pick -720

    total 1520 points


    if we do this we would have to trade something else as well

    our 1st (1200 points) + our 2 4ths(70+80 pts). would be too costly I doubt we should give away our 2nd as well just so we have to reach in the 2nd round for 2nd round players.

    Minn and Detroit are our best bets and overall well rounded.

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  • denver30
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    Originally posted by BroncoKazuki View Post
    the best trade partners would probably be us trading with Minn or Det

    Minn and Det's 1st are both worth 1000 points

    Minn can trade their first and our 3rd back to us witch will balance out the totals.

    if Detroit trades with us, they will have to give up their 1st their 3rd and their 5th witch will be a total of 1190 points to our 1200 point worth draft pick. Or they can trade their 1st and 2nd to us and we'll probably package a future pick so it balance out point wise.
    I think Dallas is another potential trade partner if we could get their first rounders for our first rounder. That would be great

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  • BroncoKazuki
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    the best trade partners would probably be us trading with Minn or Det

    Minn and Det's 1st are both worth 1000 points

    Minn can trade their first and our 3rd back to us witch will balance out the totals.

    if Detroit trades with us, they will have to give up their 1st their 3rd and their 5th witch will be a total of 1190 points to our 1200 point worth draft pick. Or they can trade their 1st and 2nd to us and we'll probably package a future pick so it balance out point wise.

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  • denver30
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    Originally posted by aldenbroncos View Post
    This guy knows his stuff i competley agree and believe we should do the same and if we don't plan on getting ellis we should trade for shaun rogers
    Rodgers would come at a price and I would rather groom a DT to start there than get a big hunk of money. I like the picks but Jared Mayo is who I would take instead of Wheeler (he could be taken in the 3rd) and Manningham instead of Bennett. But I wouldn't complain if our first day went down like that.
    Last edited by denver30; 01-24-2008, 09:38 PM.

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  • aldenbroncos
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    Originally posted by Schism View Post
    I think we trade down to somewhere around the 18-22 spot if we can. We then take the best RB available, Stewart or Mendenhall should be available.

    This trade down will give us an extra pick in the mid-late 2nd round.

    We then take Philip Wheeler with our 2nd round pick and either a DT or WR with our additional 2nd rounder, depending on the best player available for one of those positions in that spot.

    Then our 4th and 5tn rounders can be used on O-Linemen, a safety and either a WR or DT, depending on what we do with our extra second rounder.

    Only player we take at #12 should be Ellis IMO, but if he's gone as expected I'll be very disappointed if we don't trade down.

    Can you imagine a first day of

    1 - Mendenhall/Stewart
    2a - Wheeler
    2b - Earl Bennett

    Two great additional weapons for Cutler which basically sets our offense for years to come and allows them to grow together?

    A stud LB to pair with DJ.

    Would be a fantastic draft, IMO.
    This guy knows his stuff i competley agree and believe we should do the same and if we don't plan on getting ellis we should trade for shaun rogers

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  • BroncoKazuki
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    Originally posted by gyldenlove View Post
    Defining the top level of the draft as 1-10 and the mid level as 11-20 is completely arbitrary.

    I think we shoul define the top level as 1-12, that way we draft in the top level and we are home free.

    From the reports I read, the top level this year is going to be the top 5-6 picks. There are very few blue chip players, right now I would rank:

    Jake Long, OT. Glenn Dorsey, DT. Darren McFadden, RB. Chris Long, DE. As the 4 genuine blue chippers, with Gholston, Ellis and Matt Ryan close.

    After that group, there is a muddled mixture of people who can be draftet anywhere in round 1. Really 12, is not a bad spot at all, we are low enough that we won't be the first team to just not get our hands on a true blue chip prospect. We are however high enough that we have our pick in the litter. There will be good depth and top prospects on virtualy every position when we draft.

    I expect we will end up choosing between Desean Jackson, Keith Rivers, Kentwan Balmer, Dan Connor and Kenny Philips. All are very good players and among the best at their positions.


    I have 3 problems with trading down in the first round. 1, we won't get the best player at the position, or even the second best. 2, unless somebody unexpectedly drops through the draft, we will end up with a player who has deficiencies. 3, as we have seen in recent years, the lower you are the greater the risk of the player you really want being taken before you get to him.

    After the 2 Arkansas boys, there are no real 1st round RB's in the draft. I would like to spend our 2nd on a RB, because we will get a player with the same quality level as we will in the 1st.

    Looking at FA, the young players we have in the roster, potential cuts and trades. I think we should get LB in the 1st, this draft is deep for LB, but also has good quality in the top. Rivers could start from day one at WLB, leaving DJ in the middle.

    I believe we can and will get a DT and OT in FA, and I do think we will do something about WR as well.

    Does... Rashard Mendenhall and Jonathan Stewart ring a bell. they are also in the top 4 RB's so that debunks your idea of theres no other RB's in round 1.
    and Stewart is right behind... you guessed it McFadden followed by Mendenhall.

    Also the other part I bolded makes me think why would we want an overhyped player like Jackson when we can easily get Bennett , Royal, or Thomas in round 2. I also think we can get quailty players in the 2nd, 3rd and 4th rounds for S, OLB, and DT. I think after the 3rd round RB trickles and we loose valuable players who can be real play makes if we dont strike in the 1st or 2nd round

    Im just putting it all out there that the 12 spot even though its really nice to have is presenting problems of its own.
    Last edited by BroncoKazuki; 01-24-2008, 01:20 PM.

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